Q. There will be 12 teams in the SPL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 11.
Q. There will be 30 teams in the SFL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 30.
Although TV and commercial money will be diluted, it is a sideshow compared to the real cash cow remaining in Scottish football, the gate money at Celtic Park. The Gang of 10 refused to exclude this option from their proposed change in voting rights.
A 20% share of gate money doesn’t have sufficient support from SPL clubs, too many losers. A 30% gate share only has one loser, everyone else wins, including the club who took 87 fans to a league game at Celtic Park last season.
This is nothing to do with Sevco, who are unlikely to pull a financially viable plan together (although the SPL and SFA are still trying). You’re being asked to open your wallets and pay for the upkeep of 42 stadiums, squads, boards of directors and kit men.
This is not a viable plan. It’s time for Scottish football to admit defeat. Sport has been subverted for over a decade to the point there is nothing left. We can keep Hampden and the national team going, but there is no viable league structure. The sooner we accept this and move on the better.
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Hibs this morning issued a statement regarding yesterday’s news that plans were being put in place to parachute Rangers into the First Division.
With fans getting somewhat annoyed at this latest proposal, Hibs – whose chairman Rod Petrie was said to have met newco owner Charles Green – have moved with uncharacteristic speed to get a message to the fans.
Of course it doesn’t actually say if they agree with the First Division option or not:
At an informal meeting of SPL clubs held at Hampden Park yesterday, the views of Hibernian FC were represented by Chairman Rod Petrie. The Chairman articulated very clearly that the Club is ready and willing to cast its vote on the transfer of the Rangers share in the SPL at the formal meeting of clubs on 4 July.
The Chairman made the point that the vote should proceed without any further delay and that Hibernian FC will vote against the share transfer. The resolution will fail if four other clubs vote against it or abstain. If as a result of the vote on 4 July the Rangers newco is not voted into the SPL then it will be for other bodies to decide if and at what level Rangers might be accommodated within Scottish football.
KevJungle__ Murdo 78/87 on 29 June, 2012 at 09:54 said:
Are you not being somewhat disingenuous here KJ?
The position of the Celtic Board is clear.
1) They oppose anything that supports Die Hunnen escaping with leniency.
2) They are operating (still) in an anti-Catholic/Irish-diaspora environment and anything that can be said and them misconstrued would build unwelcome straw-men by the laptop loyal.
Ergo, keeping schtum is keeping counsel.
Anyone know how many Jammed Farts fans were at Celtic Park just before they brought 20 odd thousand through to the Hunden for the cup final?
I reckon there was about 91. Are there any official figures available?
ernie- As a shareholder and a supporter, the Board ARE accountable to what they do with the money- pray they publish it in detail every year.
KevJungle__ Murdo 78/87 on 29 June, 2012 at 09:54 said:
At this point its all conjecture and in due course I’m sure either you or I will acknowledge if we are wrong in our assertions.
Regards
mb
Unsure as to how our board are suddenly the bad guys here.
To re-cap – huns go phut, scare story out there that the rest of the SPL will roll out the red carpet for zombie hun, reality is that the rest of the SPL looks more likely to stab the zombie hun with a carpet knife (ditto the SFL 1 teams).
Whether our board had a word in their ears or not is unknown, it looks like fan power had impact than anything else, but we managed to get the result we wanted without uttering a word and therefore generating an easy headline. Also if we came out and publicly stated our no vote we would instantly become the leader of the no group in the eyes of the MSM. How much extra security would Celtic Park require after that? How many references to us and how we will get our reward later from John Brown would there have been?
Now we have a story, uncredited, saying that gate money will be split between all the clubs, that in future we will be paying for our adversaries. Except it’s nonsence.
For the avoidance of doubt the SPL or the SFA can set RECOMMENDED prices for games but they cannot dictate how much a club charges. That is restriction of fair trade, a cartel, ILLEGAL!!!
Celtic could take a £500 season ticket and say that £450 of that is membership charges.
Again so far we have said nothing because there is nothing to talk about yet. These are proposals. If they become part of the game they can be circumvented.
No story here folks.
Nothing to see.
The zoms will be lucky to get in to div3 for season 12/13.
They only have 13 players and 3 of them have no contract.
The other teams can stand with their hands out all they want, a simple price re-structure will see them leave empty handed.
Our board don’t need to stand and announce every intention to the public.
Many on here will have taken a stand against a Celtic board in years gone by, that board were incompetent, Michael Kelly was never out of the papers, every utterance an embarassment.
This board are a group of professional business men who support Celtic are to my mind appear to be running the club pretty well.
Right now I’ll let them get on with it, they seem to be doing a decent job.
The shenanigans of the SFA,SPL and SFL are not helping any signing deals we may be working on.
Agents are goiny to be wary of sending their players to a League with the potential tobe a farce.
goldstar10 on 29 June, 2012 at 10:01 said:
”ernie- As a shareholder and a supporter, the Board ARE accountable to what they do with the money- pray they publish it in detail every year.”
In theory at least a plc is accountable to its shareholders for how it spends its income.
It has no such relationship with its customers.
The notion that someone who bought a season ticket could sue anyone because Celtic had to share income with other clubs is a non starter.
Let’s try and keep it real.
many happy returns to excellent CQNer Tomthelennytim.
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I have always known the Celtic community/society to be the downtrodden – marginalised – oppressed – persecuted – hated section of this wee country anyway.
So, having said that…..I would rather see our bored make a statement when the transfer window opens and, bring in some quality players to add to Lennons Lions, not waifs and strays.
Mort:
When he flounced off, he came back in cameo under the same moniker with the same ‘confidence’. A wee bit like he who is doing a lot to attract attention to his posts of late.
I know that dick of old, I grew up with him. He just doesn’t remember.
I was speaking to a good contributer to these pages this afternoon, he reminded me that I used to be a neighbour of Ming Campbell and Campbell Ogilvie. I grew up with them. It was only after I hung up the phone I remember growing up in the shadow of a weirdo.
Ming Campbell was okay, as a kid I looked up to him.
is this the start of the anti- gazebo back lash?
Anyways, good to see a tanned and fit looking wee Chico emerge from his 15 hr plus ordeal on the London-Glasgow train last night.
No doubt he kept the rest of his fellow passengers amused with card tricks, bird noise impersonations and salty tales from the Love St terracing.
All this stramash surrounding FF…..I know nostalgia ain’t what it used to be,but I miss the time when players played because they just loved it,and many of them loved the club they played for.
Aye,naive and simplistic my thoughts may be,but you can’t blame me for wishing for something better in the game.
Look at where the insane moneygrubbin’ has brought everything to.
“Think globally,but act locally.”
If the big fella wants to play for Celtic then his agent needs to just let him sign the dotted line.
murdochbhoy on 29 June, 2012 at 10:02 said:
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Respect M8.
Hail Hail
Slan _Abhaile
You might have missed a wee post of mine to you earlier, or have you spat the dummy too?
I am firmly in the board should make a statement camp. As previously mentioned the fact Celtic have yet to respond regarding the attempts to circumvent morals and sporting integrity for the benefit of 1 team whilst other SPL teams have voiced their opposition to any such plan does not sit easily with me as a Celtic supporter. However i do not believe that the Celtic board would ever countenance allowing a Newco into SPL2 / Div 1 next season without a fight or indeed allow other teams to ‘extort’ Celtic supporter’s money. The consequences of their doing either would have a huge impact on Celtic and would probably destroy the club as we know it. Over dramatic? perhaps but how many posters here would ever go back to CP if we, as a club, were complicit in any scheme to resurrect Die toten Hunnen?
wonkyradar on 28 June, 2012 at 17:57 said:
derbyshirebhoy on 28 June, 2012 at 17:48 said:
Where are the leaders?
I’m a leader: I’ll follow your example- what do you want me to do?
With Apologies wonkyradar I posted and then had to attend to other things and have only just seen your post.
If you are serious let me ask if you live anywhere close to Celtic Park and have time on your hands?
Does the Hibs statement clarify that Club 12 are actually the parcel that everyone is passing while the huns die?
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Christmas has come early.
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For me , that’s just clever and imaginative!
HH!
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KevJungle__ Murdo 78/87 on 29 June, 2012 at 10:09 said
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Here’s a thought for you:
Would it not make PERFECT sense, to take this opportunity of having a shoe-in for a few seasons, to establish a Celtic team that can gel together and grow together without the usual frantic transfer window panicking shenanigans?
Would it not be better to use this opportunity to establish a solid core squad and forget buying overpriced also rans?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/446351-what-percentage-of-an-avocado-is-fat/
HH
If rules are smashed to allow the cheating thems into the spl or sfl1 and We as a club and a support continue to participate, then we should not moan when the mibs cheat us or the rules are changed again to aid thems. If we accept thems getting a leg up then the baws burst. But if we do accept it and continue to participate then font moan in future because we know now the games fixed in thems favour.
HH
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Just read about some mob Fastpay trying to take money from the bares bank accounts even when they have cancelled.
Glasgow’s Green & Whyte!
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If you mean build a team from the youths then
why bump up the SB price by 12% ?
Surely the youths wont command exorbatant salaries so
where would the SB dosh go ?
Only asking like.
Hail hail
Do we all agree now that the reason Celtic didn’t join those publically saying they would vote against the newco into the SPL is because that would be a lie as they fully intended to vote yes?
Grand Theft Bhoys!
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=11554732&t=8700235
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How can Sevco be admitted to the first division?
OK, take out any current rules against it. They will make up some new ones. But the UEFA Licensing Rules still apply to Scottish football.
Now the new rules will probably say that the SPL2 teams will only need a Club License and the SFA can award one to the new club. But SPL1 clubs will still require a UEFA License – and the three years’ accounts rule will apply.
So are we saying that Sevco cannot be promoted from SPL2 for three years? What’s the point in that?
Or do they think that after one year UEFA will roll over and grant them an exception if they win SPL2?
AndyM well said , what I was trying to say earlier except that we could also take away our generous away game support of other clubs by screening at cp. there will be ways and ways that the coporate and the paying fans can deal to this if this thicketus idea gets on the SFA/SPL agenda . Like you I think its a non story one of the many designed to confuse the issues and save face when the big padlock goes on the derelict abandoned hoose. How low can they go?
greenjedi
Nope!
The Celtic Trust, The CSA and the Green Brigade were satisfied with Celtic’s position on Newclub after meeting Peter Lawwell.
Awe_Naw:
I think an avocado is just a potato!!! with a chip with bad attitude on its shoulder.
Interesting analysis from the Independent on penalty shoot out.
Defenders miss more often than midfielders who miss more than strikers – obvious stuff.
Interesting, though, that players in the 25-29 age group miss most frequently – 33%. Youngsters are at 25% and the old ones at only 17%. Maybe the young players feel less fear as they think they will have other chances and the old ones don’t let it get to them so much.
What I also find fascinating is that the team that misses first still goes on to win a large amount. We saw this at the Euros twice, at the CL final this year and 2008 and with Celtic against Spartak.
Possibly this is due to the first player to miss takes the pressure off the others whilst it cranks it up on the other team.
AJCFC asked me to post this late last night.
KevJungle__ Murdo 78/87 on 29 June, 2012 at 10:21 said:
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No, not a youth side: I did not say that.
I mean a side that integrates a balance of youth and experience who are allowed to bond and grow together without the madness of the transfer windows, with managers attempting acts of escapology from unbecoming predicaments using anything from the Paul Daniel’s book of football tricks with what money they can muster up from their burgeoning overdraft facilities.
dirtymac on 29 June, 2012 at 10:28 said:
*Chortles*
The Broonies.
greenjedi on 29 June, 2012 at 10:21 said:
No.
This surely demonstrates that the game in Scotland is run for the benefit of one team only. They are above the rules of the game.
I think Steven Pressley summed it up perfectly well yesterday. Well done that man!
Something is rotten in the state of Scottish football.
FIFA/UEFA act now!!!!!
ASonOfDan on 29 June, 2012 at 10:26 said:
greenjedi
Nope!
The Celtic Trust, The CSA and the Green Brigade were satisfied with Celtic’s position on Newclub after meeting Peter Lawwell.
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Didn’t PL just make an ambiguous statement along the lines of the board “acting in the best interests of Celtic FC” and they would keep the support appraised of developments. As far as i am aware no mention of how the board would vote regarding Die toten Hunnen FC was ever clarified.
I may be wrong?