St Mirren chairman, Stewart Gilmour, last week suggested the SPL’s 11-1 protected voting rule, which in the past enabled Celtic and Rangers to block changes against their interests, was a reason for him to oppose Scottish football’s league reorganisation plan.
Today, with Rangers consigned to history, Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell, proposed a change in voting rules, replacing the requirement to have an 11-1 majority with a 9-3 majority, which Aberdeen chairman, Stuart Milne, called a “major concession”.
This was not linked to the league reorganisation vote, but Stewart Gilmour voted against this change, despite using this voting rule as an excuse for his reluctance to allow reorganisation. So we now know St Mirren’s objection is nothing to do with voting rules, the brought Aberdeen’s Milne to say on his way out of Hampden, “You need to ask what [St Mirren’s] agenda is”.
After the SFL’s chef exec, David Longmuir, came under pressure from First Division clubs for opposing reorganisation plans, Newco Rangers’ chief executive, Charles Green, was a guest of Gilmour’s at St Mirren’s recent game against Celtic. Green has been a vocal opponent of the league reconstruction proposals and right on cue, Newco released a statement offering support to Gilmour and Ross County, the other objectors.
For those who like their irony straight from the mouths of the stupid, Newco even suggested St Mirren and Ross County “should not be singled out for criticism. They stood up for what they and their fans believe”. Just like all those clubs who were criticised bitterly by Newco for voting as their fans wanted a year ago.
Milne added, “St Mirren FC have really got to pose themselves the question qhy are they prepared to put Scottish football in jeopardy for their own selfish interests, which they have been unable to do today.”
Some people have a belief that there will now be an invitation-only SPL II with Newco being invited. I can tell you with absolute certainty this will not happen. There will be no Newco in the second tier of Scottish football next season.
Instead what has happened is attitudes have hardened against such moves. It would not be at all surprising if 10 SPL clubs declined tickets for their visits to St Mirren Park next season – the anger is that serious. The status quo will be maintained, St Mirren have lost enormous goodwill above and below them, First Division clubs have failed to secure a significant boost in income and the SPL will get on with business.
All of which brings us back to Stuart Milne’s question, what is St Mirren’s real agenda? I know fine well what it is, but they have not damaged Celtic, they have not assisted Newco in any way and the poor St Mirren fans will inherit the collateral damage.
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Mhark67
Tell that to Mickbhoy1888.
For some strange reason he does not have any sympathy with CELTIC supporters suffering harassment from the ‘authorities’ and its now clear he doesn’t have experience of what it was like growing up as a Celtic supporter in Glasgow yet is happy to discount other Celtic supporters personal experience as nonsense?!!
A plant, pure and simple.
HH
neg anon2
So they really are all just like Chic Young then?
Traditionalist1888
Are you talking about job adverts outside the Glasgow Area when including “no Irish need apply”.
I searched the Evening Citizen(don’t know if you will remember that paper” and the Evening Times in the
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
23:13 on
15 April, 2013
I don’t but occasionally on here you’d get the impression that if you mention who you are, who you support and where you’re from without knowing you’re in good company then you’ll immediately find yourself in hostile company.
I work in IT near the Theatre Royal, of 20 folks in my immediate area 10 support us, 5 including me have ST at least 5 have no interest at all in football. There used to be 1 of their ST holders and there’s a couple of their followers. I’m struggling to think of anywhere that I’ve worked where I was the sole ST holder never mind sole supporter. There’s always been a mix, and it’s always been fine.
Sorry about that. Friggin ipad.
For the people of Boston.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G6m2NUCjl8
Traditionalist 1888
When yer wee lassie asks why a grown woman has called her a wee fenian hoor …..you know its time to move and I dont need anyone to validate my own personal experience
Hail hail bhoy
Snake – not as clever as Chick (says it all really).
Although one of them descibed my posting as an influx of non St Mirren fans. I had to point out that one poster does not equal an influx………
Mhark67
That says it all.
HH
Traditionalist88 I grew up as a Celtic supporter and Catholic in Townhead,Glasgow, Whifflet, Coatbridge and Northeast Glasgow in the 60’s and 70’s. Weeminger’s experience is the same as my own.
I don’t deny that in some parts of Scotland the situation was much more polarised, but those pockets are few and far between. We should concentrate on that rather than past slights.
Where in Glasgow did you grow up?
ntassoolla
23:14 on
15 April, 2013
Hahahahahahahahaha… You come away with some nonsense at times, but you have excelled yourself tonight ……… Noone is saying that there is a sabre-brandishing bhun on every corner and in every office……. However, witness the threats / intimidation / assault on our manager over the past year ….. Manchester etc, not to forget the ‘civil unrest’ anxiety of the SFA…….. And did you know that Barcelona wrote to oldco officially advising them that they would not be welcome anywhere near their stadium in future…..
The list of evidence is endless……. But you carry on thinking their reputation / behaviour is a figment of our imagination….. There is catagoric evidence that it is not safe to wear Celtic colours in certain parts of Scotland, in particular the West of Scotland……..
And just to balance the view I have gleaned from many years of experience….some people I have known and liked / admired for many years were oldco supporters…….but here is an ‘element’, and if you don’t ‘see’ that, you must be living in the same parrallel universe as weeminger……..
From @philmacgiollabhain earlier
@mickey1888 @rsmorrow1964 I know exactly what the news will be, I’m just waiting to here if it will be Wednesday or later.
#NoMoreQuestions
MHARK67
23:32 on
15 April, 2013
It’s tragic and I know that one of the locals round here has his wee girl going “sniff, sniff I smell Fenian” when going past one of the nearby houses.
What’s heartbreaking about that is that she’s a really sweet wee girl and is getting this poison from her dad.
Thankfully that’s an exceptional incident here.
I was never denying that these horrible incidents are out there, just wanting to remind people that it’s not universal.
apparently photos circulating on twitter/fb showing a shape in the sky that looks like a drone above Boston
has anyone seen any photos or footage of such? i cant find any
Think that just burst a few bubbles there Ernie.
weeminger
23:28 on 15 April, 2013
It’s not as widespread as it used to be, but it’s still there….
67Heaven rangers supporters rioting in Barcelona and Manchester is not proof of sectarian bigotry in the workplace in Scotland. Your little bout of mud throwing @23:35 does not obscure that.
St Mirren are doomed for the same fate as Oldco/Newco for becoming bedfellows of Chuck.
He is a self proclaimed liar.
He will have them for breakfast.
Goodbye St Mirren.
I take it some people never applied for a job in Weirs Pumps/Anderson Strathclyde/Govan Shipbuilders when they were younger? Fortunately, if you lied and gave your school as Govan High instead of St.Gerards you stood a tenfold chance of getting a start.
I’ve a mate who does work on the internet for people he’s never met. He employs freelancers from around the globe and doesn’t give a fig as to who they are. He occasionally meets one of them. He turns away more work than he takes on.
He does not use techies from the sub continent. He is not racist. It’s just the high likelihood of them copying and pirate bespoke software. This is confirmed by the Indian government themselves setting up a police squad to deal with this problem such is the damage it is causing to the reputation of the Indian software industry.
He engages with the world as it is.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
23:39 on
15 April, 2013
Too true. You know, if I had experienced what you and your wee girls had, and thankfully I haven’t so far, I’d take the same steps. At the same time, I’d be encouraged to know things are improving.
Boston Patriot Day
See Who Profits.
Evening all
I’ve always like George Galloway but his ego let him down on many an occasion, lost a lot of respect by making a right cat of himslef on national TV.
Does anyone else find it slightly obscene how the orc’s are celebrating like they’ve won the Ramsdens??!!
Strange lot.
Scottish Football needs to get the fans back onside and take it from there.
HH
If it were that bad how did any Catholic in Scotland ever become a doctor, a lawyer, a building contractor or a tradesman?
Let’s move on.
John Lennon had it spot on!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPFs
mhark67
23:21 on 15 April, 2013
They are to be pitied, actually……
Ntassoolla
Yep I agree that there are no such obstacles to people getting ahead these days.
But we can’t pretend that Irish Catholics in some areas did not suffer discrimination either in their employment or when looking for employment.
My point was that although it is true that there are no such obstacles to people getting ahead in this day in age , the attitudes that festered discrimination in days gone by unfortunately has NOT gone away. Some would say it has got worse.
When I have a green and white scarf on outwith the Celtic Park/Gallowgate area I would still tend to feel the need to keep it out of sight to ensure personal safety and avoid personal abuse.
Maybe I’m just being overly cautious but somehow…I don’t think so.
HH
weeminger
23:38 on
15 April, 2013
MHARK67
23:32 on
15 April, 2013
What’s heartbreaking about that is that she’s a really sweet wee girl and is getting this poison from her dad.
Aye,there`s the rub.
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Hiya,palomine…
Nice tae Hae a wee chat,wit ye.
Ah hiv bin very busy..
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Ah hiv a wee break ,noo…
Anywey..
Yep… there ur many alarming incidents baith …. in Heaven , Earth and Also… in the U.S. that go unreported.. my deah.. Horatio!
The last thing that the Powers that Be want..
Is
A Fully .. well Informed and Well Educated… Hoi Polloi.
Ah ask ye tae hiv a look at the Low ,Low Scoring .. in all facets ..of the Three
R’s”.. that are chalked up.. in all of the Schools where Government Controlled Education,reigns…throughout the U.S.
This arid state is Not tae be found… in the PRIVATE and Parochial Schools.. though.
Quite the opposite,in fact..
In all NON GOVENMENT CONTROLLED Schools…
Things are mair than Copacetic…and going along swimmingly.
Turning oot.. well -Adjusted and ..Well Educated .. Young Men and Young Women.
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Obama and his HANDLERS…( For He is Only a Figure Head) are woiking oan.. taking care of that.. and..
Ah expect that they wull..eventually..
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Abortion oan Demand.. Gay Marriage, Girls in the Armed Forces are now allowed tae be Fighting.. in Hand tae Hand .Front Line Combat…No Religious Teaching allowed in Government Controlled Schools.. Noo Half wey tae Achieving .. TOTAL BAN oan Firearms in the U.S…. etc. etc..
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Kojo
yer pal.. who likes ye aloater.
Still Laughin..
He is a Bad, Bad, Fellow.
Kojo
Yer pal.. who likes ye aloater.
I get the impression the SPL chairmen are prepared to accept that the Ross County chairman acted in good faith, albeit not in a way they wanted, but that they suspect Gilmour of having an ulterior motive for voting the way he did.
Is that about the size of it.
It also looks like the SPL chairmen are now so irate that they are likely to oppose any move to fastrack the huns, whatever the consequences.
It will be interesting to watch the share price tomorrow to see how the market thinks this is going to pan out.
I’m more concerned with what is motivating the campaign against Catholic schools, the one hope that many of our youngsters have. It’s a UK wide phenomenon and not based on religious or even secular principle. It comes at a time when faith schools of other persuasions are growing. In numbers, not quality.
We should be honing our arguments for that future challenge.
traditionalist88
23:46 on
15 April, 2013
If it is getting worse in the streets, I think an element of blame lies within the use of the internet and the message boards. No decision is ever reached simply by ignorance and incompetence, there’s always an angle. If some people read or hear them often enough without questioning them then it can lead to some pretty entrenched and strong views and emotions.
Which is not a great recipe.
The press are to blame too. We called it The Daily Ranger, they call it The Daily Rhebel. Why? Because it prints sensationalist garbage designed to wind up supporters and generate sales and readers. They think nothing of the potential outcome.
ernie lynch
Agree with that, I get the feeling that they know why he done it.
The RC vote seems to be irrelevant to them.
Ntassoolla
23:45 on
15 April, 2013
If it were that bad how did any Catholic in Scotland ever become a doctor, a lawyer, a building contractor or a tradesman?
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Through education and hard graft.
My da’s first job was as a mechanic. He went to Holyrood so this didn’t immediately mark him out as a Catholic on his application form.
Two weeks into the start the gaffer approached him and told him that if he’d known he was a ‘Pape’ he wouldn’t have got the job.
Seems one of the Boston victim is an 8 year old child.
Barbarous.
ntassoolla
23:45 on 15 April, 2013
We have moved on …… That’s why there is greater equality…….. But if you don’t accept that some oldco follow followers, most regrettably, are still living in the 17th Century, that’s OK..
Looks like some of the other chairmen also think something is going on between St Mirren and Newco, they just don’t now what.
Personally no matter what happens with any reorganisation I want the option that keeps the Huns away from us for as long a possible.
Ideally 10 leagues 4 with one up and down per year, the Huns and their reserves in the bottom league!
Ntassoolla
23:45 on
15 April, 2013
If it were that bad how did any Catholic in Scotland ever become a doctor, a lawyer, a building contractor or a tradesman?
Let’s move on.
With great difficulty.
No Catholic need apply to certain job advertisements.
At the turn of the 19th/20th century,there were,I am reliably informed, virtually no Catholics at Glasgow Uni.
In the `50s and early `60s,there were virtually no Catholic medical specialists in Scotland,certainly not in the Glasgow area.
Move on? Dead right,but let`s not forget.