St Mirren chairman, Stewart Gilmour, last week suggested the SPL’s 11-1 protected voting rule, which in the past enabled Celtic and Rangers to block changes against their interests, was a reason for him to oppose Scottish football’s league reorganisation plan.
Today, with Rangers consigned to history, Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell, proposed a change in voting rules, replacing the requirement to have an 11-1 majority with a 9-3 majority, which Aberdeen chairman, Stuart Milne, called a “major concession”.
This was not linked to the league reorganisation vote, but Stewart Gilmour voted against this change, despite using this voting rule as an excuse for his reluctance to allow reorganisation. So we now know St Mirren’s objection is nothing to do with voting rules, the brought Aberdeen’s Milne to say on his way out of Hampden, “You need to ask what [St Mirren’s] agenda is”.
After the SFL’s chef exec, David Longmuir, came under pressure from First Division clubs for opposing reorganisation plans, Newco Rangers’ chief executive, Charles Green, was a guest of Gilmour’s at St Mirren’s recent game against Celtic. Green has been a vocal opponent of the league reconstruction proposals and right on cue, Newco released a statement offering support to Gilmour and Ross County, the other objectors.
For those who like their irony straight from the mouths of the stupid, Newco even suggested St Mirren and Ross County “should not be singled out for criticism. They stood up for what they and their fans believe”. Just like all those clubs who were criticised bitterly by Newco for voting as their fans wanted a year ago.
Milne added, “St Mirren FC have really got to pose themselves the question qhy are they prepared to put Scottish football in jeopardy for their own selfish interests, which they have been unable to do today.”
Some people have a belief that there will now be an invitation-only SPL II with Newco being invited. I can tell you with absolute certainty this will not happen. There will be no Newco in the second tier of Scottish football next season.
Instead what has happened is attitudes have hardened against such moves. It would not be at all surprising if 10 SPL clubs declined tickets for their visits to St Mirren Park next season – the anger is that serious. The status quo will be maintained, St Mirren have lost enormous goodwill above and below them, First Division clubs have failed to secure a significant boost in income and the SPL will get on with business.
All of which brings us back to Stuart Milne’s question, what is St Mirren’s real agenda? I know fine well what it is, but they have not damaged Celtic, they have not assisted Newco in any way and the poor St Mirren fans will inherit the collateral damage.
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Was on a St Mirren board there – honestly they really do believe they have made a great decision today – very sad.
Roll on Wednesday for the big news as Phil predicts :)
Just waiting on confirmation…if Fox.CNN and Sky news say it’s AQ..then I’ll know it must be true.
Weeminger
With respect your fortunate
I can list many examples…a great deal of which come from personal experiences of family members
weeminger
Would you feel comfortable walking around Glasgow city centre with Celtic colours on? Or indeed anywhere in and around Glasgow city centre?
My brothers and I weren’t allowed Celtic strips until we reached a certain age because it was too dangerous.
Thats the Scotland I was brought in and I think you have certainly led a sheltered life!
HH
Neganon
Are they giving any explanation for their delight
Foxy_1888
22:59 on
15 April, 2013
That kind of attempt at points scoring after an event like today’s is utterly pathetic and stupid.
weeminger
lucky you.
but you know they exist dont you?
like maggie said eh, am alright jak feck em all
jimmyquinnsbits
22:29 on
15 April, 2013
They are the lowest of the low …..worse than scum….words fail me
Zimmerman
Al Qaeda, are followers of a Particular Militant Branch of Fundamental Mohammedanism
That’s whit Followers..of that Particular Branch of Fundamental Moslems dae.
Kill…
Christians,Jews.. and Non Muslims.
Read the Koran..and therein… ye wull read certain Passages…in which ye wull find…that Followers of that Particular Branch of Fundamentalist Mohammedanism, are ENCOURAGED to Slaughter ..Christians, Jews…. and All Non-Muslims.
No, ifs, ands or buts.
Howevahhhh…
Let me Hasten to explain…this
When Mohammed first started Writing.. He did NOT Encourage Moslems to Slaughter.. Christians and Jews and Non Moslems.
On the Contrary…
In Fact, he ENCOURAGED…his followers to be FRIENDS.. .with.. Christians , Jews and Non Muslims, and to show NO ill-will,toward those groups.
It was,only, much later…. in his Writings…. that he did an Aboot Face..
AFTER,,, he had been engaged in a Series of Bloody Wars against.. Christians , Jews and Non Muslims…
that he…
ENCOURAGED… his Followers to .. Kill all Christians, Jews and Non Muslims.
So..the Koran ended up to be full of Contradictions.
Any Muslim , therefore, by picking the Passages that Suit his Argument..
Can..
Show, that the Koran Teaches.. Peace.. or…when it suits… War… with the Christians and Jews and
Non Muslims.
Al Quada, favors the Passages which suit their Purpose..
And those Particular Passages Teach the Extinction of ALL CHRISTIANS, JEWS and Non Muslims.
Noo.. Ye know.
The Koran, like Ah hiv said….is full of Contradictions.
Like Woolworth’s Cafeteria.. ye kin Pick and Choose… which part of the Menu
that appeals tae yer particular taste.
Kojo.
Traditionalist
We were the same …no strips until old enough to be sensible
Afraid I had none of that …both my kids had them as soon as they were old enough to ask
celticrollercoaster
22:49 on 15 April, 2013mickbhoy188822:45 on15 April, 2013Terrorists come in many guises; freedom fighters; uniformed enforcers; governmental departments/bodies.All in the eye of the beholder and unfortunately sometimes the history writers
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Couldnt agree more well said
….PFayr
Eggs Benedict and Peperami back on the menu
Not if the terrorist is fighting tyranny and oppression.
traditionalist88
23:03 on
15 April, 2013
In some parts, no. And I suspect the same might be said of our erstwhile rivals.
I’ve not really lead a sheltered life. I’ve worked in many different sectors, admittedly mostly white collar. I’ve seen some pretty brutal attacks in my nightclub days too.
But this picture that the whole place is polarised and if you’re not in the right surroundings you won’t get ahead is false.
weeminger@2259
Spot on kiddo. I worked for 51 years, with 3 months unemployed ( made redundant) and never ever felt I had to “hide my Catholic upbringing”. I had a very successful career and am enjoying a very relaxing retirement.. And, yes, I worked my entire career in the Glasgow area.
Never felt any feelings against me, and all knew my love of Celtic, so I cannot understand the problems some have in this area.
Weefra HH
Whatever anyone says planting a bomb to achieve what one has failed to at the ballot box is terrorism.
War waged by democratically elected governments is not terrorism.
If war were not waged against the likes of the Taleban and Al-Qaeda we’d be afraid to leave our homes or speak our minds.
Democratically elected governments make mistakes. Unlike terrorists, they can be held to account, reigned in or voted out.
PF Ayr: ‘Afraid I had none of that …both my kids had them as soon as they were old enough to ask’
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And thats the way it should be.
But I know if I have Celtic colours on I would often cover them up unless I was in the ground or around Celtic bars in the Gallowgate.
Its not right but rather be safe than sorry.
And a sad reflection on our society.
HH
Kojo
Can’t argue with that,
wonder what book Bush & Blair were reading?
weeminger
that’s right, let it alll out. there’s none so bitter as a tartan tory eh?
traditionalist88
23:03 on 15 April, 2013
I think weeminger lives in a parrallel universe……
A good Celtic and Lochee Harp man from Dundee passed away today.
RIP Bert Martin. Hail Hail.
weeminger @23:10 I’m wit you on that one. In my experience a lot of bigots blame bigoty, racism etc … for their own failings and disappointments in life.
I’ve worked on and off in the IT sector. It’s boring but it’s there to be had and no-one gives a flying who or what you are. By the same token it is just not possible to be taken in by the hand.
I hope for fewer casualties to come to be than have been forecast so far.
I can show the patience to wait to find out who committed this atrocity before I start laying into any usual suspects.
Please do not expect any accuracy on the complexities of global terrorism from those that can mistake Al Qaeda are a recognised branch of Islam or highlight Islam as the religion that has contradictions within it as to when violence is justified.
I am out of here before the poison gets debated and spread further.
Hope Mr. McKenzie is safe.
Predator Drone Strikes: 36 Civilians Are Murdered For Every Terrorist Killed By a Drone
Tom McKay
“Did we just kill a kid?” Brandon Bryant, a drone operator working for the Air Force, realized aloud.
“Yeah, I guess that was a kid,” another pilot replied.
“No. That was a dog,” someone answered via computer from a distant military command center.
Bryant’s scenario is an all-too-common occurrence in the War on Terror. Under President Obama, the use of military drones to conduct targeted assassinations against terrorists has exploded. More than 300 drone strikes have been conducted, killing some 2,500 people.
That is not even the worst of it. A recent Marine Times article ran the alarming headline “Some Afghan kids aren’t bystanders” on December 3, reporting on the death of three children in Afghanistan who were guilty of the crime of appearing to dig a hole in a road. Army Lt. Col. Marion Carrington, quoted in the article, said that “It kind of opens our aperture” that children are being used in the conflict. “In addition to looking for military-age males, it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”
Obama has authorized 193 drone strikes in Pakistan – 4 times the amount authorized by George W. Bush.
According to Global Research, over the past 4 years Obama has authorized attacks in Pakistan which have killed more than 800 innocent civilians and just 22 Al-Qaeda officers.
That constitutes at least 36 civilians per target. This is grotesquely unacceptable. Even if we accept the logic and rationale of drone strikes – which I do not – we should be shooting for zero civilians killed per target.
Worse: in August last year, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism investigated the history of drone strikes in Pakistan, concluding that there have been credible reports of 168 children killed in Pakistan by CIA drone strikes over the previous 7 years. This would account for a “minimum” of 44% of civilians killed by the attacks.
The rationale for these strikes is morally flimsy. They reveal a disturbing lack of empathy for the helpless bystanders caught in an unclear conflict with no escape. While bombs drop in Pakistan and Afghanistan, Americans justify these strikes as necessary.
How could our national defense teeter on the murder of children?
Glenn Greenwald criticized pundit Joe Klein in October for his “sociopathic” statement that “the bottom line is: ‘whose 4-year-olds get killed?’”
“The problem with drones is it’s like your lawn mower. You’ve got to mow the lawn all the time. The minute you stop mowing, the grass is going to grow back,” said Bruce Riedel, an Obama counter-terrorism adviser, in the Hartford Courant in late October.
The Fourth Geneva Convention states that “children shall be the object of special respect and shall be protected against any form of indecent assault”; R.K. Dixit explains that “the use of the word ‘shall’ makes it a mandatory provision in the form of ‘duty’ and casts an obligation on the parties to carry out the provision in letter and spirit.” Presumably, “indecent assault” includes being targeted with a missile.
It also states that nations must respect the Geneva Convention in all situations, including the occupation of another country’s territory.
It is not enough to ask Obama to end the War on Terror.
It is time to ask Obama to publicly denounce the killing of children in the War on Terror, state in no uncertain terms that the killing of children is unacceptable, and take serious measures to ensure that children are never considered acceptable collateral damage in drone or air strikes – and especially that they are never designated as targets.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/20992/predator-drone-strikes-36-civilians-are-murdered-for-every-terrorist-killed-by-a-drone
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Maybe partly explains why.
Poor Mark Scott had to pay with his life for wearing Celtic colours in Glasgow.
traditionalist88
23:03 on 15 April, 2013
And I suppose you and your brothers weren’t allowed to kiss the lassies until you were 21 in case you got them into trouble
Get a life M8
weeminger
I agree that these days it doesn’t stop you getting ahead.
It did in days gone by…’No Irish Need Apply’ wasn’t that long ago, relatively speaking. The attitudes still exist but have been swept ‘out of sight’ to some degree. But they do still exist. Heres a great song from a young band from Glasgow you may have heard of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2ktr4E0mhg
HH
Spent my summers in Boston. Parents met there, lots of family and friends, now work for a company based in Massachusetts.
Good people, horrible scenes.
Usual bollocks from the nutter fringe on here scoring points.
I know they won’t be turned by my arguments, they will play thier role so I’m checking out.
Thoughts and prayers go to the good people of Boston.
Duke
PFayr – to be honest there is no rationale – just defiance. Their rhetoric is hunlike. In fact they dont believe that PL offered to change the vote – apparently its just lies.
There is no engagement or debate – just abuse. The sad truth is I have gone to quite a few home games at St Mirren this season – they have just lost that!
mickbhoy1888
Am I doing you a favour just calling you a plant?! I’ve seen others say worse.
PLC or MSM?
Foxy_1888
23:12 on
15 April, 2013
Nothing could be further from the truth I’m afraid but carry on. You don’t realise the inference you made, and how wrong it was, so we’ll leave it there I think.
Weeminger
You have indeed been fortunate in your working career.
I can assure you it is still rife at all levels.
I have no idea who is responsible for the awfull carnage that Boston is going through.
But I will wager now, that within the next few weeks, it will be turned about that Iran need to be taken to task.
I also hope the rankers man is safe and well.
My Dear Kojo…..
As You Very Well Know…
Barely A Month Has Gone By, Since 9/11….
When At Least One Muslim Terrorist Plot On American Soil Has Been Thwarted…
Although These ‘Incidents’ Are Seldom Reported By The MSM….
On This Side Of The Pond….
Hardly Surprising That We Have So Many ‘Low-Info’ Individuals Posting On CQN The Nicht…..;-)
Yer Pal…..Who Thinks Ye’Re SWELL…
When my daughters were born I lived in a wee town called Blackwood in south lanarkshire and I can assure everyone that wearing a celtic top even for 4 and 6 year old lassies was not always a wise decision , indeed was one ofvthe many factors that led to our emigration to new zealand then spain
Thankfully down in englandshire your reliigion is not an issue
Zimmerman.
Pal.. Ah hiv Four Moslems ,who work in Ma Offices..
All are Peace Loving..and Beautiful Folks.
Like Ah hiv tried tae Mak clear..
Thur are a Bunch of Fundamental Moslem Crazies .. who are choosing to follow awe the Anti.. Non Muslim Passages in thur Holy Book.
Al Qaeda,in Ma opinion are a Very dangerous Mob..
and the trouble is..like Ah hiv said..
They kin Point oot awe the Anti.. Non Moslem Passages in the Koran..tae give thur Teachings Credance.. to the eyes of Young , Callow..
Moslem Youths.. and use the Contradictory Koran Teachings… tae back up thur ain distorted Teachings..
Mak nae mistake,pal..
They are Very Successful in swaying the minds of those young and naïve Moslems to their way of thinking..
They are doing it ..in Britain , right at this Moment..
Ye kin bet ye sweet Petunia.. that they ur.
Kojo
Hen1rik
Whats the news? Whats the news oh my bold ………