Make what you wish of Strathclyde Police reporting Celtic fans for “illicit chanting” to a Uefa match observer in October, the bottom line is that Uefa have fined Celtic €15,000 (around £12,700), established a benchmark for future action and more importantly sullied the club’s reputation.
Job done by those who wanted this confrontation to happen.
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Even the English do not have a problem with these songs,English companies sell them infact,even Amazon sells them.I can’t be certain,but i think that Amazon is a company that is based in Scotland?
Are the SNP and the cops going to report Amazon?
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
Have you ever thought that many many people that are season book holders, regular attenders or the occasional fan that goes to the games are there just to watch the football and support Celtic?
ernie lynch at 09:18
Which of these songs falls foul of whatever law it is that’s being applied
Sad to say but without a definition of what “illicit” is all these songs have the potential to get us in trouble because we just don’t know what we can and can’t say.
Until we get clarification from UEFA/the police etc, we need to be careful and it’s probably best avoiding any rebel song. We have loads of other songs and the Green Brigade have been fantastic in bringing about a new songbook with songs about all the players.
When we get clarification of what can’t be sung, then we can go back and sing the other ones that aren’t illicit.
Mort
Ernie
There was 2 questions
I meant inappropriate as per my question 1 and then illicit as per question 2
If you cant answer just say so
greenjedi says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:31
God Save Ireland commemorates Irish ‘terrorists’ who were executed for murdering a British policeman whilst they were trying to free a convicted prisoner.
You think it would be OK to sing that, but not sing Aidan McAnespie, which is about an unarmed young Irish man shot dead by the British army? Why would that song result in us being fined whilst God Save Ireland wouldn’t?
And you’re calling other people morons?
Scunnered….
My dad and my granda sung all the songs…
To all you poitical correct people…..feek yous alll…
Mort (Kano 1000) says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:38
‘Until we get clarification from UEFA/the police etc, we need to be careful and it’s probably best avoiding any rebel song’
They are all political songs, so they’re all illicit.
As iare The Fields of Athenrye and Something Inside So Strong.
Green Oak Tree 13 December, 2011 at 09:42
My dad and my granda sung all the songs…
So did my granda and my Uncle. ;-)
greenjedi says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:38
That is a good point.Personally i would never sing rebel songs at Celtic Park,i don’t think Celtic games are the place for them.
In saying that – it is not for me to tell other supporters what they can or cannot sing,especially as the said songs are perfectly legal.
And as i have already stated – if it wasn’t the rebel songs,they would find something else to take issue with.
The Honest Mista Kano says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:44
I know that obviously…..You take care…
B Hell. Got called away on several calls there.
Am shocked that hunfestation has permeated through to this decent hour.
What a blatant timely attack from three diddies sitting at their desk in meeja hoose, without a brain cell between them.
Growls lowly….”open yer eyes my friends, open yer eyes”……………….
Ok, now that’s oot the way bring on the Christmans hunskelpin :))
Greenjedi,
You’re next. You’ve gotten away with this for FAR too long, ya Orc Trumpet.
Sorry if its been posted already but according to the bbc gossip:
Celtic have been given first refusal on 23-year-old Senegal international striker Baba Diawara, currently top-scorer in Portugal with Maritimo.
(Daily Record)
Don´t know too much about him but was dissappointed when we didn´t sign him in the summer. Imagine a striker who can score with his head! Its been awhile!
Ernie
It doesn’t mention the IRA though or even hint at them, Aiden McAnespie does with refrences to the murder of IRA members.
Morning CQNer’s.
I don’t know if this link will work but, it MUST be checked out!!!
The post is on page 12 about a third of the way down.
Hail! Hail
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Sandman Is Neil Lennon says:
13 December, 2011 at 01:21
This…
http://i42.tinypic.com/23j36rq.jpg
When Lenny lifts that SPL title aloft,Scotland will be in danger of imploding.
The best way to sicken them is for Celtic FC to be successful on the field of play.
Neil Lennon winning is what they fear most – that is their ultimate nightmare,and they are trying every trick in the book to stop our team from taking back the title.
Let them deal with that,our reality is their nightmare.
COME ON CELTIC! :)
Greenjedi,
I used to be one of that section you named, however i had no problem with Celtic supporters singing.
If you are so stupid that you cant see the ramifications to the liberty of the Celtic support then you are about to learn the hard way.
As said many times on here, the songs are just the start, and part of the boards plan to sanitise the support, I said 4 or 5 years ago on here, this board will not be happy till the money pig is strung up and gutted.
lets go out to the ball game
greenjedi says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:48
With respect do you know the words to the song?
GREENJEDI 0901
If you heard that-and I believe what you say-then these people need a good kick up the jacksie. Even I know that these songs are unacceptable,and in fact I stopped singing them about 30 years ago.
Those are the type of songs and chants which,IMO,give others a stick with which to beat us,and are also,if you like,my own personal line-in-the-sand.
I think they are wrong,and I am quite happy to explain my reasons for thinking that,and I am quite happy to explain why I think the older ones are not.
But it is the clarification which is needed. We simply CANNOT go on not knowing what is acceptable,and what is not.
And,equally,we should not be expected to sing only MONTHEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS or similar.
Green Oak Tree says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:42
Scunnered….
My dad and my granda sung all the songs…
To all you poitical correct people…..feek yous alll…
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My Granda and Great Uncles where part of the songs, never mind singing them. They did join up on that Easter morn and I’ve proudly got the medals to prove it. But they never sang the songs at Celtic Park, they knew there was a time and place.
BelfastCityCelt says:
13 December, 2011 at 08:53
its not a question of England making that decision, its a partnership, albeit a very skewed southern england dominated one.
I very much doubt the powers that be in England would like to ditch the scottish cannon fodder so prevalent in their foreign military adventures, and the many military bases including Faslane and the associated nuclear armaments stores.
however, the ball is in the scots court, independance to me is far more important than any party like the snp, if the snp are the short term key then ill bite the bullet and continue to vote them in despite their blatant incompetence. means to an end for me
If you accept that it is OK for someone to tell you what you can sing /chant at a football match then you are one step away from accepting that someone is entitled to tell you what you can say and what it is ok to talk about..
How come it ‘s OK for the likes of Plod / The SFA/ The lap top loyal / the Beeb / UEFA etc to engage in political acts whilst you are being told it is illicit for you to do so.?
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire: 13 December, 2011 at 09:35
It’s hard to comment too much on the specifics on this one because there appears to be a Scooby Doo type mystery over what the ‘offense’ was. I think we would all like some clarity, and I’d like to know if anyone was arrested for this supposed ‘offense’.
I know you are not a fan of the board but the real culprits here are the police, the media and the politicians who are finding issues with what Celtic fans are chanting while ignoring similar songs from the Huns, particularly as the majority of their support appear to be singing the ditties rather than a smaller section of our fans.
4 things
1 – comments yesterday by Awn Naw regarding another Celtic supporters mother who died of cancer – outrageous from a man who professes to be a Celtic man
2 – we all know there is one or two idiots who will sing songs that give the officials an opportunity to drag us down to their level – for the record you are not singing in my name
3 – Samaras – whats all the fuss still no better than he was previously – sold in January
4 – Lennon – better, much better – win our next three league games – and we are in pole position going into Jan
67ECW
The Honest Mista
Forgot to mention yer old dad enjoyed a few songs….God bless him.. one if the good people…
Re: The singing carry-on…..
Assuming that we all fall in line and, there are no more illicit songs being sung, what will be next….no more green & white scarves to be worn ?
greenjedi says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:52
Respect to your kin folk….
I was going to debate but another day…
Let the people sing….
greenjedi says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:48
‘Ernie
It doesn’t mention the IRA though or even hint at them, Aiden McAnespie does with refrences to the murder of IRA members.’
So it’s OK to sing a song that celebrates Irish ‘terrorists’ executed for murdering a British policeman because it doesn’t mention the IRA?
That’s not logical.
It’s a political song.
UEFA don’t allow political songs. They refer to them as illicit ie they are against UEFA’s regulations.
We could be fined for singing it.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS for KANO’S GRAND DAY says:
But it is the clarification which is needed. We simply CANNOT go on not knowing what is acceptable,and what is not.
And,equally,we should not be expected to sing only MONTHEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS or similar.
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I agree 100% and Celtic must tell us the songs and add ons the Police will arrest people for singing and report us to the authorities. I doubt such a list exists as the Police and Government love anti-catholic/irish songs (see the comments after the LCF) and as such hate catholics and irish and will find offence at the most inoffensive lyrics (eg “rebel against the crown”) in the fields.
But Celtic must demand such a list, demand to see the huns list, demand to see action being taken against the huns and scream blue murder if those demands are not met. In the mean time, we the fans must show the benefit of the majority of us going to good schools and that we are able to do the intelligent thing.
67 European Cup Winners says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:57
4 – Lennon – better, much better – win our next three league games – and we are in pole position going into Jan
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I fear that the realisation of the above will spark-off all the nastiness of last season ?
Mountain_Bhoy is Neil Lennon says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:53
I don’t think that the English economy could sustain the lose of the huge oil revenues mate.
How could any British Prime Minister explain such a budget deficit?
Whitehall would be in turmoil,these revenues are vital.
When the oil is no more,they will ditch Scotland like the proverbial lead balloon.But until such a time,i cannot see any significant movement on the issue of Scottish Independence.
The English are anything but stupid.
Steinreigned..,
Sorry pal, but the board are fully responsible for the vilification of the Celtic support. Their full co-operation was given, there were no objections from them when the polis unolaterally decided what is an offence. The polis agenda is lock in step with the board agenda, kill any form of freedom of experssion they deem unwanted.
Does anyone know of any Celtic supporter stitched up by security or polis who have had their season tickets returned with an apology ??
greenjedi @ 09:52
Good desperation call. Yer experienced at this no?
Do one, back to where yer came fae – some nice fantasy here that’d suit ye ya…. feckin fecker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NL4c0SPYS0
Mountain_Bhoy is Neil Lennon says:
13 December, 2011 at 09:53
“however, the ball is in the scots court, independance to me is far more important than any party like the snp, if the snp are the short term key then ill bite the bullet and continue to vote them in despite their blatant incompetence. means to an end for me”
I have been voting SNP for the reasons you state.
I have decided that I can no longer do so.
This is depressingly pessimistic state for me to be in because I now have next to no investment in the democratic process.
I have never not voted and will likely just spoil my ballot paper unless there happens to some outstanding individual / small party available in my constituency.
As I said, depressing state of affairs for me.
Ernie
They do allow political songs, look at what happens before every International match.
God Save Ireland is a song in the same vein as The Fields of Athenry IMO, nothing more, nothing less.
The clarification of the “Illicit songs” will not be by a public debate, therfor argueing about the rights and wrongs of songs sung for generations is irrelevant at the moment.
What is relevant is that the club HAS been fined and the reputation of the support HAS been tarnished.
I have many friends who came out with comments against Neil Lennon when he asked the support to stop singing songs with IRA references suggesting he had turned his back on those who supported him through last year!!
In my opinion the club does not have the benefit of idealistic views regarding the freedom of expression, we applauded when “they” were fined but seem to be surprised that we have been given a similar punishment, surely it’s obvious to all that while they appeared to get away with offensive behaviour for years it would only need a small amount of ammunition to even the score..
Why are we giving it to them??
Stop singing the songs that could even be suggested as being “illicit” (whatever that means) it will kill them to hear a united support in the stands with a succesful team on the park.
It’s no co-incidence that all this comes as form improves and the title race is back on, just like it was last year!!
the fact there is so much disagreement on here shows that , in part, its working
greenjedi @ 10:04
Aye, yer a pay by reply t@T.
Do one. You’ve been sussed. GTF
You’ve well overstayed yer welcome.
iki says:
13 December, 2011 at 10:07
You know that on CQN,politics are often debated,the “isms” are a particular favorite,capitalism,communism etc.
In my opinion though,Nationalism is perhaps the most dangerous of all ideologies.
I wrote to my MSP in November rearding the destruction of the ‘Hate Data’ using the writetothem website. As of last night I had not recieved a reply or acknowledgement.
I emailed her directly and was informed that there had been a spam problem with the parliamentary email and she had not recieved the email.
I would suggest that anyone else who used the writetothem.com site resend their email directly to ensure that their email has not also been lost
TMQ