I have two significant concerns about Walter Smith’s comments yesterday. He spoke about the events which followed Rangers liquidation in 2012:
“There was no necessity for Rangers to be put down into the Third Division.
“That will always stay in Scottish football. There will be a bitterness in the Rangers ranks. It will be a massive motivation for the club. It would certainly be for me.
“How can they forget what happened to them? Nobody could forget that.”
I’ve spoken to people at Celtic about security concerns ahead of the weekend. The game itself will almost certainly pass off without incident, but what happens on the streets of Glasgow and surrounding towns is anyone’s guess.
You will hear nothing even close to inflammatory from Celtic, senior fans groups, or anyone who cares about the club’s fans and wellbeing. Justifying bitterness due to (mis)perceived persecution ahead of this fixture is inciteful. I’m astonished Smith said this.
On his subject matter, let me give you an alternative scenario:
Newco Rangers are parachuted straight into the Premier League, hundreds of creditors are abandoned, they have a full squad of players and are not a penny in debt. They would have been out signing players within minutes of registration (they even tried to sign a player while still in administration).
With Oldco having won the league accumulating debts they would never pay in 2009, 2010 and 2011, Newco, free of legacy financial commitments, would have an excellent chance of winning again in 2013 and beyond.
This plan was one strand of Craig Whyte’s lunacy and it would have killed Scottish football. Celtic, and others, would have been left to consider, do we pay these millions of debts, or liquidate and spend the money on players instead? I had this very conversation with a senior figure in the game in October 2011, when the realisation of what Whyte was planning became evident. Utter mayhem would have ensued.
The damage done to the Rangers brand of clubs by allowing Newco access only to the bottom tier was huge. It’s consequences are yet to be appreciated by most fans. Newco may never win a top flight league.
But the question was not whether to impose a trauma on ‘Rangers’ or allow everyone to carry on as we had before, this was not an option. It was whether to allow the existing rules and processes to stand, allow responsibility for the enormous mismanagement of Rangers to be carried primarily by Newco, and have other clubs deal with the fallout, with or without a ‘Rangers’ club in the league.
Whyte’s plan replicated what he’d done in other industries, but it would have devastated Celtic in particular. We were beaten for years on the field by a team who could not pay their bills or correctly register their players, then we would be beaten again as they walked away from debts without consequence, which is why I wrote this article in October 2011 on the Prepack route for Rangers Newco.
Pretty much all of what I wrote about in that article came to pass, it had to be stopped (and you’ll never know the key movers in doing so). Smith should consider if the boot was on the other foot, if he would be happy to allow his club to be subverted in the manner he suggests would be good enough for others. It was simply never an option.
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Oh Dear….
Whaur’s Auld Sleakit O’ Cambuslang Disappeared Off Tae The Noo….?
Is He Busy Postin’ CLIQUE ‘Scouts’….
Both Ends Of ‘Death Valley’….
Or Is He Locked In The ‘Cludgie’….
Thumbing Through The Merriam-Webster Jumbo Edition….
Lookin’ For BIG Words…..
That Will ASTONISH the CLIQUE..?
He Could Try Contacting Oor Ernie Oan Twitter…..
But Croydon’s Oan Lock-Doon…
As The Cat-Lovers’ Possee…
Closes In Oan Their Man….
Great Walking’ Eagle…
(Just Aboot Tae Put Oan The War-Paint)
My…Ah Soitenly Hiv Cheek-Bones Tae Die For…!
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Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 14th April 2016 2:49 pm
Can’t beat a bit of nostalgia :)
HH
Dharma,
As wee minger touched on, there seems to be a docet doing the rounds that names about 20 or so current or former employees who used the ol movie avoidance scheme.
The huns seem to be confusing personal jiggery-pokery with corporate deliberate non payment of tax
HH
I thought the huns had moved on
Canamalar,
No.
Passed on.
HH
CANAMALAR@2:46 – Re our ‘ping pong’ yesterday – look, I don’t doubt your sincerity….as for me, in the words of Nina Simone & Eric Burdon….
“Well I’m just a soul whose intentions are good – Oh Lord please don’t let me be misunderstood” HH
Austerity ? not for clubs in the EPL………………..Negotiators for west ham all wore masks
The club were awarded tenancy of the London 2012 stadium in 2013, and at least £272m has been spent to convert the site for use as a Premier League ground.
West Ham have contributed £15m towards those costs. Last year a BBC documentary revealed the club was having many of the running costs of the stadium paid for it by the taxpayer under the terms of the tenancy agreement.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36043808
GEORDIEMUNRO@3:05 – Surely whatever financial arrangements an individual makes AFTER paying legal tax on his/her income, is a matter of personal choice, tempered of course by the all encompasding phrase ‘caveat emptor’, or now in the case of the Rangers Tax mob “bowels emptor”
Mr pastry,
I know that and you know that. I’m just the messenger neebs.
It seems the hun hoards are trying to make the two situations comparable.
HH
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 14TH APRIL 2016 1:17 PM
kill ultra,
I’ll take a stab at your question to Auldheid,
It is simply a waste of time that’s why.
You being introduced to people who provide funds serves what end exactly ?
I’ll have a wee stab at what will happen after you meet a funder.
You will accuse them of not actually providing the funds but as being a board plant sent to cover up any links back to the Plc you will then no doubt do the same to them as you have tried to do to Auldheid, BRTH and myself and claim we are all liars that sold out res12, its exactly what you have done up till now, why should anyone believe you will change ?
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Okay. I’ll take your lame excuses as a ‘No’. You are now thinking for the ‘funders’
Withdrawing the invitation for a face-to-face meeting further reinforces my view that there are no independent funders.
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KITALBA on 14TH APRIL 2016 1:18 PM
Canamalar:
I guessed you did but you’ve got him on a very long line. If he is not worth catching, then cut him loose and focus on good, real good.
Good luck with all aside.
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Kitalba
Why the analogy about bait? You don’t know me, or my background.
FESS19 on 14TH APRIL 2016 2:25 PM
Long time ago in a galaxy pretty near Canalmar said that the board were doing nothing about “Them” getting a euro licence.
I came on here and said, when Celtic tell me they are doing nothing then I will believe it. (T D backed me up on this).
Before AGM Canalmar & others had meeting with board and Res12 was left in abeyance. I trust Canalmar & Auldheid are keeping us informed and thank them for all their hard work and hopefully we get the right outcome.
KILL ULTRA
along comes KU asking all sorts of questions? “Who is funding this, I want to know”? Bit like sleekit. Me! I don’t care who is funding it as long as they don’t want my money although if funding is needed, happy to oblige.
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So it doesn’t matter if they are being funded from the proceeds of drugs, illegal sex industry trade, or God forbid, Celtic Plc. My money is on the latter.
KU
So you continue to call the Res 12 people liars and you wonder why some on here are hostile towards you.
You need help.
HAMILTONTIM on 14TH APRIL 2016 12:48 AM
TH
You’ve lost me. I was asking where you were sitting on Sunday.
I don’t think you’ve got a right to pontificate when you live in Canada.
Absolutely disgraceful post from HT last night.So we should not have a say because we dont live in Scotland.!!!!!!!.Away and run up ma humph.Thats what happens when you are in The Celtic Trust.Elitism.”I am a better Celtic fan than you”
The “Clique”is alive and well.
praecepta on 14th April 2016 9:42 am
67 EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS
EPL Referees!
And for good measure – Saturday’s ref for the Man Utd game lives 2 miles from Old Trafford.
*most probably a City supporter as United fans are mainly from the home counties or Asia.
TT
Like most of our best fans are from Canada and Turkey ..
Boom boom. ☘☘☘
Joke btw bhoys .-)
Turkeybhoy
If you read further on I’ve explained that my post was in reference to this Sunday’s game only.
What have the Trust got to do with this?
Dearie me.
Man it’s like Grounhog Day on here, same questions,same answers. Somebody be brave and break the chain and give us a wee break. H H Hebcelt
It has been suggested that RES12 is being funded by Celtic board.
If true then I would be pleasantly surprised !
Hamiltontim on 14th April 2016 9:49 am
TonyD
Ps I was a Celtic supporter and a poster on CQN long before I got involved with the Trust.
*well act like one and stop picking fights with fellow supporters. FFS we all know who the real enemy is.
You come across as a good Tim and proud of your Irish roots as your trip to Dublin attests to. But those of us who chose to live out of the country are no less Celtic supporters than you, or Irish. I’m second generation Scottish but have Irish citizenship, in fact I have Canadian as well since I live here.
I am not a member of a CSC over here because I now live up in the sticks and don’t relish hauling myself out of bed on a snowy winter’s morning to travel to the nearest one(s) for a game I can now watch in the comfort of my home on my PC.
The NAFCSC do a marvellous job in providing games for expats, some clubs I believe are subsidised by the larger ones to ensure all Tims get tae see the Celtic.
Not only that the clubs unlike that other mobs are inclusive and followers of other teams can come and watch their own sides in action, cheer them on and wear their colours tae, with the exception I believe of sevco, watch but don’t wear as that’s just taking the pi88.
Their convention in Vegas is second to none with visitors from overseas and not necessary NAFCSC members lining up to attend. I also believe that Antipodean Celtic supporters have modelled theirs on this one. Incidentally, I’ve been to Vegas as well as Canadian ones.
A few years back a Lisbon Lion was over here, he was travelling from almost the US border to the other side of TO, one member down there took him as far as Bramalea where an East End member met him and took him the rest of the way. That’s what Celtic supporters do.
Also, and I say this without fear of contradiction, it was the NAFCSC that put the Lions back on the map as the club had completely ignored them.
So as Mr Zimmerman once said “don’t criticise what you don’t understand”.
TD as far as I know lives up in Chateau Lait, drinks in the Brazen and has a SB for Celtic Park. So why include him in your debate with TH.
He does visit Bramalea on occasion as he has family over here. I too have family there and also visit occasionally, in fact I’m heading down that way shortly but hope to be back up here in time for the Liverpool game.
I have in the past visited the Bramalea, Burlington, Hamilton, Toronto East and the defunct Toronto West, Barrie and Lakeshore clubs, great clubs and brilliant supporters.
In fact a couple of summers back I had family over here on vacation and took one of them down to the BCSC, unfortunately it was for both Legia games (((((.
FYI the BCSC is the second biggest CSC worldwide second only to the London Road club, built by members for and I quote “Celtic supporters and their families and friends”.
Prior to the founding of the NAFCSC the only club outside of Scotland that I knew of was the Kearny Club and that primarily was because they used to carry out fund raising for the St Martin of Tours Renton RC church as well as their cordial relationship with the parent club.
I’ve not been to hunden or the coup in over 40 years, I have been to more away games including East End Park, Fir Park, Firhill, Swinecastle than Celtic Park on my many trips hame, although took the tour several times.
I have mentioned on here that if I still lived at hame I wouldn’t be going tae this game, however, 20 years younger and yes I would, health and age would stop me now.
I also hasten to add I would probably be a member of the CT if only because we almost went tae the wall so no nae never no nae never no more, again.
So try and lighten up as the song says “sure aren’t we all Irish (Celtic Supporters) anyhow”.
Hebcelt et al
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVfNJ6Pen_Y
the disney collaboration worries me but on hearing him talk a little less so
Also like this idea
http://www.foodrepublic.com/2016/04/13/claus-meyer-invites-nyc-kids-to-dine-at-per-se-rebelle-telepan/
weeminger on 14th April 2016 2:51 pm
So there’s a wee clip of the turf ‘bedding in’ at Hampden been released.
It’s not at all comforting that you can still see the joins in the turf
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You would almost think they wanted to “Level” things out…..
BT … I think you meant to say ‘most of our best LOOKING fans are from Canada and Turkey’… :)
HT … dont sweat it, pal … I know you were just worried about your students finding out that you are the reason Justin Beiber will not come to Scotland … and you dont want to piss those beliebers off … they are scary … although not as bad as Taylor Swift fans….just lucky for you that she’s not Canadian, or you’d really be up the creek… :)
Seriously, you’ll never be able to make everyone on CQN happy … so, do what you can… and dont sweat the rest.
TT
Thanks for that. I’ve already acknowledged that I shouldn’t have referenced any other poster.
In addition, I hope I’ve also explained what was intended by my initial post.
It was never my intention to belittle the love, passion and commitment of Celtic supporters living overseas.
If my post came across that way then I apologise.
Drew1967
John and Mick Delaney are my two older cousins. The Olde World Inn Knightswood was our local for many years. You must know me also, and I must know you. :)
MiT
Who are these Swifts and Beibers you speak of :-)
MIT
Unfortunately old beiber is coming to Scotland at a cost of £80 per wean
Thank god I only have the one :)
Springsteen only £75 for probably 3 hours more and decent entertainment
So Sir Alex has a children’s film tax avoidance plan but Walt Disnae.
Minger just to add to his gambling loss at the golf
How sad
KU
Some machine, with one meeting you can find out the the guy in front of you is:
A) a drug baron
B) a purveyor of EBT schemes for football clubs (Same thing as you suggested)
C) a representative. Of Celtic PLC.
Suggest Benedict Cumberbatch plays you in the tv series
Off to bed
Night night
BT …. saw Ben Harper in concert last night … cant say I knew much of his music going in, but he put on a fairly decent show, and just under 3 hours in Massey Hall (one of the best venues around … possibly the best jazz show ever there … you can feel the history when you walk into the place … I’d pay just to go in and sit there … even if no one is playing)….
mind you, I’d probably pay to go anywhere that Justin Beiber isn’t playing … I know he’s canadian, but that’s a face that you just want to smack ….
IKI@4:03 – I wholeheartedly endorse your sentiment.
HT
We forgive you. As a penance though you should resign your ticket for Sunday to the trash can (see what I did there) .
This Celtic Trust thing buddy. It is a majorette stick that some love to beat you with. Me, I’d prefer to beat you with my size 10’s, a mitre baw and a dummy before rifling one in to win an occassional 5 a side game. :)
MWD
One day Justin Bieber will be looked back on like David Bowie.
In that parallel universe thingy.
MWD
Moonbeams ….
speaking of music and trashcans …. the Trashcan Sinatras are touring NA, but not playing in Toronto! What’s up with that? Now, Frank and Eddie, at least, are good tims …. someone on here must know them…. sort them out, and tell them to get to Canada this time….
or we’ll send Justin Beiber and Celine Dion over (but I’m keeping Shania Twain all for myself … sorry)
Irish CG Scotland @irlscotland
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MWD
‘Me, I’d prefer to beat you with my size 10’s, a mitre baw and a dummy before rifling one in to win an occassional 5 a side game. :)’
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That ain’t happening any time soon! :-)
MIKE IN TORONTO.
Hope you will be participating in Record Store Day 2016 . ( This Saturday .).
Some good stuff this year.
mit, better acts on the voice, young lady allison ? used to be a child movie or tv star in the 80s,
she was curly sue but man what a great set of pipes.
ht good morning finished of last night watching season three eposide 2 of shetland.not bad so far.