What a lot of nonsense we’re been through since last week. My information was that we were interested in Roy Keane but no deal had been concluded. Martin O’Neill helpfully (cough) poured fuel on the fire by confirming he gave Roy permission to speak to Celtic, but despite several newspapers running the story that he was set to be appointed no later than today, the deal was never as close as reported.
Roy’s position on the short list was made time-critical by the fact that he was due to leave on tour with Ireland tomorrow, but talks continued in parallel with other targets.
The overwhelming reaction to yesterday’s news among the Celtic support was that we had a lucky escape. There was a Rangers fan who used to come onto the CQN comments section after Neil Lennon’s first season in charge and taunt us that Dermott Desmond was going to sack Neil and appoint Roy Keane. We didn’t take him seriously………
I’ve never been in the business of rubbishing Celtic players or managers before they arrive (although I’ve never backed a managerial appointment since starting CQN) but Keane represented a huge and unacceptable risk to Celtic. We have an excellent football infrastructure and development strategy, with good coaches at all levels. We need a technically gifted tactician, capable of dovetailing with this strategy. Whatever Keane is, there is little evidence that he is a tactical genius, or that he’s likely to dovetail with anyone else’s strategy. The potential disruption his unique brand of focus would bring could be considerable.
Although you can expect a daily drip of ‘news’, I don’t expect any actual news in the short-term.
Visit the CQN Bookstore to get Tommy Gemmell to sign your personal copy of his tome, All the Best.
Shout out to Frank O’Hagan, who supported the CQN Charity Golf Day with his music three years ago. He’s playing Glasgow Uni Union on Friday night, get along if you can.
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Winning Captains
OK – got you. Thanks.
Ger57
“TW, Awe_Naw, Paul Lambert had left by the time RK came to CP. Lazy posting mate. But, hey ho, it suits your negative agenda.
Let the people sing.”
I never asserted that you did you numpty. Try harder
What´s that got to with anything ?
Are you 7 years old or 97 `
HH
Alves with a Barnes Wallace
Barcabhoy
I go with your second one. He was undermined.
Lets hope they get a better manager in than NL.
Their track record at recruiting managers is RANK GARBAGE
HH
Ger57
Sorry but if you don’t mind that makes too much sense for here !!
( you also missed missed mrs keane – saying ” move where?that will be shining bright!!)
Hh
I would be amazed, as well as delighted, if it is true that we have sold over 40,000 season books. Without Hearts, Hibs and Rangers, that would show a lot of Celtic men subscribe to the stand alone policy. Somehow, I am sceptical about that figure.
Without those previously mentioned assortment of numbnuts, our league is going to need some colour, hence my desire to employ a man with character. His nationality is not important. His ability is.
EKBhoy
Well therein lies the difference, I took it as said.
Was I wrong to do so?
auldheid
15:29 on 3 June, 2014
Hamilton Tim
A way of engaging with supporter at large was under discussion long before the Open Meetings at London Rd via a membership scheme.
The Supporters Forum form was used by other clubs so it was worth trying out. The timing was coincidental. The Open Forum was a bit of a surprise to me but I cannot speak for Celtic.
One of the aims of the SF from way back was to give supporters on blogs who are not able to have a say via live meeting attendance that opportunity.
Given CQN has many in that category then having someone there to support their points made sense. Paul was there and myself since I’d pulled the input together and had an idea of the detail.
I understand that at the last Open Meeting the Supporters Forum came under attack for not publishing minutes and bloggers being amongst the invited. I got a bit of personal abuse myself on Twitter from a guy making unfounded and ill researched comments.
I think you made the point about minutes ( but properly) on CQN to which I replied.
The decision taken at the Supporters Forum regarding minutes was not to make them public as in “he said/ she said” to encourage free debate but to publish Action Points, which was done.
I understand but am open to correction that the Open Meeting itself came to a similar arrangement for the same reasons.
Representation of views has always been a problem, but in a changing world there is no need to organise on a historical basis of only officially recognised groups.
Given that most of those groups were at the last Supporters Forum was it just bloggers having a say or non representational groups that was the problem and what could be done to restore trust for those who complained? Banning bloggers or bringing it all together?
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Firstly, apologies but I’m having to use my phone to reply so bear with me please.
I was aware that meetings were taking place prior to the Forum Meetings and the Open Meetings chaired by the Celtic Trust.
My understanding is that the ‘membership’ concept put a limit and criteria on who could attend.
Last season we then had a number of issues which led to some supporters feeling disenfranchised from the current custodians: the Living Wage issue, the treatment of the Green Brigade, the allegations that Celtic were involved in the creation of TOBAF Act, perceived lack of support from the club in the face of increasing police hostility etc, stewarding yada, yada, yada :-)
These issues in conjunction with the lack of meaningful, inclusive dialogue between the club and the support were what led to the Celtic Trust offering to host the Open Meetings, where everyone and their weans and dugs could come along and speak their mind and express any concerns.
I think that seemed a sensible and worthwhile thing to do especially in light of the frustration and indeed anger some supporters were feeling.
To address your point about the last Open Meeting, which I attended, I did see the abuse you received on Twitter following on from it.
It was distasteful and empty headed in its lack of cohesion or indeed its focus. I was sad and sorry that you bore the brunt of it.
What I will say is that it was a genuine indication of the anger boiling within some of the support.
However, it was wrong, there can be no argument about that.
From talking to some Celtic supporters it’s more apparent, to me in any case, that there is a distrust of some bloggers, particularly oor Paul67 and the manner that ‘articles’ are very much ‘pro board’ and that little is ever said on these boards/forums that addresses the issues which some see as highly significant to the ethos of Celtic or those directly affecting the supporters themselves. Certainly, nothing or very little, would be questioning or derisory of official club policy.
My own opinion is that Paul has every right to be there.
However, so do I and so does every other Celtic supporter.
The problem has arisen because only a select few were invited to the Forum Meeting hosted by Celtic, it wasn’t open to all in the way that the meetings hosted by the Trust have been.
That’s not inclusive and as such has proved to be divisive.
The fact that some of the select few were bloggers perceived to be ‘pro board’ heightened some supporters feelings of lack of inclusion.
In addition to this a lack of trust grew from the fact that questions had to be submitted prior to the Forum Meeting at Celtic Park.
Some at the OM were of the opinion that this was allowing the club to arrange pre prepared responses which may not be entirely truthful.
I happen to share some of those concerns.
I spoke to JP about these issues and a few others :-) he was responsive, understanding and open to suggestions.
I couldn’t believe when he said that in light of the criticism and other factors he was putting a stop to the FMs.
I pointed out that that would be the worst thing to do in my opinion as at least there was dialogue of sorts.
We spoke about possible solutions and I’m hopeful that in the new season some form of dialogue will continue but that the club can find a way to make the malcontents feel more connected to Celtic.
No’ sure if this makes any sense and it’s definitely the last time I’m constructing a post of any length on a phone while trying to scroll up and down addressing separate points :-)
FGF
Shug the dug would quickly gain a similar reputation as Rhoy, for Barking his orders :-)
Captain Beefheart
CL participation is paramount until our business partners recover.
It is a pity the custodians dont feel that way.
HH
Aw Naw…, who would you like (realistically) as next Manager?
Ditto
Aw Naw…, who would you like (realistically) as next Manager?
CelticRay
20:53 on
3 June, 2014
Honestly I dont think it is so important as changing the way the club runs. RKs middle finger asserts that Old Firm realignment is full steam ahead.
The way the club is ran indicates that it will be somebody with less stature in the game as Neil Lennon. Hardly worth speculating over I feel.
HH
Another business class member told me last week that we had only sold 17,000 season tickets.
He says he was told this from another business class member who is in the know.
So .
Who knows?
TT
awe_naw_no_annoni_oan_anaw_noo
20:48 on 3 June, 2014
Barcabhoy
I go with your second one. He was undermined.
Lets hope they get a better manager in than NL.
Their track record at recruiting managers is RANK GARBAGE
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Rank Garbage ???
O’Neill followed by Strachan followed by Mowbray followed by Neil.
That strikes me as an extremely good batting average. In the last 10 years we have been in the CL 7 times 3 times getting to the last 16 .
You cant achieve that with rank garbage managers
TinyTim
Any word on pleb season tickets?
Captain Beefheart –
I went online a few days ago to buy 3 season books. In the process, I was required to look at an interactive map of the stadium which allowed me to chose my section and to purchase available seats.
Even after purchasing my seats, I spent a wee bit of time going round the map and looking at the various sections. The most popular sections were completely sold out and the few sections that had limited availability had not a great deal of choice left.
Of course the entire stadium is not set aside for season ticket allocation, but from what I could see, sales of 40,000+ would be a very reasonable estimate.
Awe_Naw 19.41
“and interesting that RK ends up in a Villa role with his ex captain Paul Lambert”
Your words, not mine.
Why resort to name calling when you get your facts wrong? As I said, it suits your negative agenda.
What has my age to do with anything? I am, and I act, my age. You seem to act your hat size.
HH
“Keane would have been unacceptable risk to Celtic”.
Clearly he would have been a perfectly acceptable risk to Celtic. Why else would the club bother interview him? Unless, as ernie lynch points out, it was a screen of smoke…
Young leaders make for interesting studies.
Initially there is a marked absence of personal risk: Their ambition and confidence combine to compel them to take the challenge irrespective of the likelihood of success. There is no downside: They succeed, things move on up; They fail, they lost nothing in the punt.
For the young leader, success is a drug. With each passing achievement, the craving for more grows.
Of course, as the successes (and corollary setbacks) pass, so does time, and time changes perspective.
There comes a point when the young leader has lost his youth but gained his professional credentials. At this point, the perception of risk changes. You see, for the by now former young leader, progress in the job must now be matched by rewards, and rewards now go beyond the exhilaration of job performance.
It’s no longer enough to be recognised as a performer. There’s a going rate for performance, and that becomes the benchmark of success, not the success itself.
Moreover, the fear of losing these new benchmarked rewards, or indeed, the fear of blowing the chance of getting them at all, now takes precedence over performance itself. Our young leader is now moving into a different phase in his(her) career, a phase defined not by achievement, but the fear of not achieving.
The challenges that were accepted as coming with the rations in the early days, are now constraints and obstacles that compromise the chance of the big time, the chance that he (she) can smell, feel. The chance he (she) intuits is within touching distance. The new phase is not about achievement. It’s about being recognised and rewarded for being an achiever.
Of course, what happens is that the decisions made on these bases conspire to undermine the hard earned reputation, and the inevitable consequences of poor decision making follow.
Someone (apols) mentioned earlier that Neil will miss Celtic more than we’ll miss Neil.
I think that’s a shoo in.
Neil’s new horizons beckoned him, and he decided to go in that direction. Good luck to him. He’s going to need all of it.
tt…20.59
Strange…Celtic website describes sales as ” phenomenal”!!!!
Could be a lie?
Could be phenomenally bad?
Or maybe, just maybe..
Phenomenal?
Barcabhoy
21:03 on
3 June, 2014
You forgot Barnes and Dalglish and Mowbary
Neil Landed on their lap and they did not want him !!!
MON recommended WGS ..anything to get away it looked like at the time.
So one out of 6 . RANK GARBAGE and the RK dalliance does not help to remove that accurate assessment. RANK GARBAGE
HH
Aw Naw, fair enough on Manager but how do you change the way we are run in this environment?
Our club running must be the envy of every other team in Glasgow?
Seriously though, on huge income disparities most of England’s equivalently sized clubs are ran incredibly poorly. I feel your frustrations but no easy solution – just like getting a top quality manager in situ.
ger57
21:05 on
3 June, 2014
Paul Lambert was MONs captain was he not ?
Now ex captain as he coaches Aston Villa.
You call me lazy I call you numpty and have to spoon feed you, is that a deal ? That is why I was asking about the age
HH
Sydney, re the Pierce O’Leary penalty shoot out miss.
I was at that game in the league cup then back at Easter Road the following saturday. We won 5 or 6 nil in the league.
CelticRay
21:09 on
3 June, 2014
Remove your gaze from England and look at our accounts and other non Englsih teams. Plenty to choose from.
HH
I read an article on Celtic. News Now at weekend, from Celtic thanking fans for renewing, it quoted over 40000 tickets renewed ?
I see tonight a new blog being advertised/tested on the Celtic network
Hail Hail
I posted earlier that I relocated my seat today.
The seat I’ve moved to was not available on the official stadium map yet when I asked about the possibility of getting a seat there I was informed that it wasn’t a problem.
In my opinion we’ll have sold less than 20,000 STs so far. However, hopefully this will increase to nearer 30,000 by the time the new season is upon us.
The Battered Bunnet
21:07 on
3 June, 2014
Many young managers outgrow their employers and move onto bigger things.
The Celtic job and our ambitions currently can only be described as toty or is it totie
HH
Vogue punter thanks again for your offer very generous, but not surprising.
HH
Neymar sparkling for Brazil.I did say months ago,this boy will light up the World Cup.
Member when some cnt had to go hame an took his ball way him. Arshole. Just saying.
Aw Naw …Valencia? PSG? Borussia Dortmund?
or who are the shining lights/example to follow…Porto, Benfica…buy young, improve, sell on at profit?
Who do you have in mind as we are possibly missing a trick.
Awe_Naw 20.53
The way the club is run can’t won’t change therefore it’s crucial they choose a controllable.
Which brings us back to Owen Coyle, when Steve Clarke and Malky Mackay decide it’s too risky.
OmniShambles CSc
P67 – pathetic, board sycophantic article. Lazy,lazy “journalism”.
Yesterday, you wrote about a “coronation”. I take from this that you expected someone to be appointed in the next couple of days. Keane turns us down and you somersault at command. “Don’t expect any news in the short-term” is now your mantra.
Keane was “an unacceptable risk”. To whom?
Anyone who thinks that Neil’s departure was amicable is kidding themselves. Why did it take Celtic five hours to respond to Neil’s announcement?
Porto, Benfica are good examples. off t#he top of my head Eindhoven, Ajax, Basle,Anderlecht, Leverkusen etc.
HH
IMO for what it’s worth,is that our CEO has been caught napping.Anyone in his position should always be looking for the up and coming next thing,just as any manager is looking for his next opportunity .As in any walk of life whatever job you are in you should be looking to do better.Pl &DD IMO took Lenny for granted,the two of them should be ashamed of themselves today,IMO.
Some great names in the Panama side.Oscar Mc Farlane,Harold Cummings !!!!!!.WTF.