I’ve heard some utter tosh from politicians over the years but never anything so blatantly untrue as the comments from our First Minister, Alex Salmond, reported today. This clown is telling people Rangers need to be saved for the sake of Celtic. He said:
“The most diehard Celtic supporter understands that Celtic can’t prosper unless Rangers are there. The rest of the clubs understand that as well. Therefore you have to have cognisance of these things when you’re pursuing public policy.
Keep our name out of it you incoherent fool.
If our prosperity depends on the survival of Rangers it’s time our values and priorities changed. You of all people should know this after your lecturing last year. Celtic have not been well served by their association with Rangers, nor vice versa. As a combined entity, the ‘Old Firm’ have not been good for Scotland.
I’m keen to hear what his “public policy” on the matter is. Salmond goes on to say:
“We’ve certainly been arguing to HMRC on one hand, and indeed to Rangers, to for goodness sake get a settlement, get a settlement and a structure over time whereby Rangers can continue because Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.”
How dare you argue with HMRC? Even Rangers admit the potential underpayment could be £75m. How many nurses, teachers and policemen would that employ, Mr Salmond? This is the true cost of his position.
This sorry business has nothing to do with Celtic, I hope our club make this clear to provocative politicians. All you die-hard Celtic supporters out there better let this man know he has no right to speak for you.
“Fabric of the country”. He got that bit right, alas.
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Fellow Celtic Fans. Its time to let a little reality creep back into our lives.
The ongoing problems across the city are hilarious, self inflicted and well deserved but the latest string of posts following Salmond’s comments are mainly drivel. I have never (and will never) support the SNP but if you read the comment quoted by P67 by Salmond it does not suggest “letting them off” with anything.
They face almost certain liquidation and will almost certainly attempt to phoenix as a new business. The SPL then has a serious dilemma on its hands. Do you re-admit them to save tv contracts etc and in doing so encourage Hearts, Killie etc to follow suit, or do you punt them out and risk weakening the brand of Scottish football. And make no mistake – the brand is weaker without them. The self deluded majority who are on the “better without them” bandwaggon are in for a rude awakening if it happens.
In the late 90’s a worldwide tv network (sky etc) carried out research into the popularity of derby matches. A Spurs v Arsenal game returned viewing figures of 850,000. Celtic v Rangers was 35 million, a week or two later. We can only guess what any other 2 SPL teams might muster. We dont want to be associated with the Manchester marauders and each of us can justify why we shouldn’t be, but the world sees us as a couple. Get used to it.
wile=while
would=would
statues=statutes
Spelling checker = switched off Mmmhhhhhhhhhhhhh…………..
Hail Hail
Mort says:
16 February, 2012 at 12:22
starry plough at 12:19
Not half as grateful as the Dublin folk were that THEY failed to reach last year’s final.
BREAKING NEWS ON RANGERS – http://forthewaywelivetoday.blogspot.com/2012/02/rangers-to-move-to-boghead.html
Now let me get this right (not as smart as you think you are) Alec;
You have been insistent that for several hundred years Scotland and England have prospered together in a union, but now it’s time to end that union and that Scotland can not only survive but prosper on it’s own. A divorce if you will. That’s what you want me to vote yes to in 2014? This is because we have fundamentally different outlooks and values and should pursue those differently?
For over 100 years Celtic has been locked into a union with Rangers, a forced marriage by all accounts, (some would call it the Old Firm) but now it’s time to end that union (since one of us is dying). A bereavement if you will. However, whilst my honour spouse has been sickly for some considerable time, used various doping methods to prolong life and largely ignored the health warnings, I have been extremely healthy and my personal outlook is looking pretty good. My inheritance is looking sound and is likely to increase my own personal well-being for some considerable time. In fact I expect to prosper. My values and outlook remain far from those of my honour spouse, even though we have spent so long together.
So tell me Alec, why is it that I should remain in an abusive relationship derived of an arranged marriage in order to prolong the life chances of my abusive partner yet you don’t apply the same logic or loyalty when it is elevated to issues of nationhood? An answer prior to the vote in 2014 would be desirable!
Yours in independence and freedom
Celtica (victim of personal and institutional abuse)
Salmond says “ Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.”
That’s now what was said in Newcastle, 1969, Barcelona, 1972 and Manchester more recently. Read these Mr Salmond:
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The Scotsman, Friday, May23, 1969
ANIMALS OF OUR FOOTBALL JUNGLE
NOT so long ago, we were talking of football animals from another continent and sneering about moats and wire fences to keep them in their compounds; then, suddenly, at Newcastle there was the need for the moat or a fence and the realisation that here in Britain there was a football jungle.
There should have been no surprise, for the frenzied extremists who have attached themselves to the Rangers Football Club have grown in numbers, in arrogance, and in ferocity—and they seemed to be all in Newcastle.
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Page 1, Glasgow Herald, Friday, May 26, 1972.
Spain protests to Britain over rioting Rangers fans
By CHARLES GILLIES
The Spanish Government yesterday called in a senior British Embassy official in Madrid to complain about the conduct of Rangers supporters who invaded the pitch in Barcelona on Wednesday night at the end of the European Cup-Winners’ Cup match against Moscow Dynamo, which the Glasgow club won 3-2.
In London the Foreign Office said last night that they were waiting for a full report of “these regrettable incidents” from their Madrid Embassy and that they were also in touch with their consulate in Barcelona.
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SEPTEMBER 2010
Last week, a judge at Manchester Crown Court jailed nine of the troublemakers, and detained two in young offenders institutions.
He described the events as “the worst night of violence and destruction suffered by Manchester city centre since the Blitz”.
we all knew this was how it would play out, doesn’t make it any less infuriating.
what is it about the huns (no on likes us we don’t care) that makes people want to save them. a football club that goes out of its way to make themselves unpopular wherever they go, that gives scotland a bad reputation in cities all over europe, that promotes social discord, and is the catalyst for sectarian violence all over the country. they cheat on the pitch and in the boardroom.
if fans really are a football club then hell mend every single one of the scottish politicians who is making comments about “helping them out”
turn off the life support machine and give us all a break
Re Cameron, I expected him to come out with something along those lines. He’s a politician….and not a very good one.
As many have pointed out on here over the last 36-48 hours, politicians are in politics for two reasons: to hear their own voices and to TRY and get people to like them. The perception/myth is that ran**rs are wonderful and that lots of people love them. The hope is that if they (politicians) say “nice” things about them all these people will think “actually, Cameron/Salmond/whoever isn’t that bad”.
Yes it’s crazy, egotistical, self-publicising, naiive, wrong and horribly mis-guided but as I say…he’s a politician……and not a very good one!
THE EXILED TIM You are correct I personaly have fell foul of them a couple of times and they dont mind useing every dirty trick in the book and some that are not.Somone on CQN said recently prepared to be amazed well if our eyes are open we are starting to see amazing things a Prime minister and a First ministe showing support to the fraudulent cheating Rangers and asking HMRC to go easy. H.H.
Frankly Franky says:
16 February, 2012 at 13:52
I dont give two tuppeny sucks about Scottish footballs brand only Celtics brand.
Hail Hail
Paul67 et al
Does not Alex Salmond know that Rangers are already but a hollowed shell, literally and metaphorically. There is nothing to save, but only to prolong. A casualty of their own design, deceipt, hypocrisy and hubris. And David Murray!
Awe_Naw
I think you need to get with the programe :>)
The hun have been playing in europe for years while they owed tax, or have I missed something ?
TET
I think you missed the statement from Rangers administrators about there being NO AUDITED ACCOUNTS AND NO AGM
HAil Hail
Ernie Lynch
I am absolutely certain that these views are shared and echoed by labour politicians such as Andrew Kerr ex Finance and Health Minister, Brian Donohoe MP amongst other promininent Rangers supporting Labour politicians.
Politics and votes make for strange bedfellows.
What ever happened to keeping politics and politicians out of sport?
This is the interview from BBC which appears to be a straight-forward interview about Cameron’s political view of the independence question, however the sneaky wee barsteward interviewing him has a fly final question which is the one which will make all the headlines.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17063060
Scroll to 8mins 11secs to hear the full question and his answer.
Looks a bit like a mugging to me and I feckin hate the Tories.
HH
/Bishop B
Billy’s Bhoy says:
16 February, 2012 at 13:59
Aye but they are not in power
HAil HAil
Copy of the letter sent to Salmond today:
Dear Mr Salmond,
There is a sea-change in the thought process of the People of Scotland.
Non payment of tax is no longer seen as a non- victim crime as we all see the hardship brought on the poorer members of the People of Scotland.
The People of Scotland now see tax avoiders in the same light as bankers bonuses or MP’s inappropriate expenses claims.
You are usually good at seeing/feeling the mood of the People of Scotland, therefore, I am bemused as to your comments:
“We’ve certainly been arguing to HMRC on one hand, and indeed to Rangers, to for goodness sake get a settlement, get a settlement and a structure over time whereby Rangers can continue because Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.”
What must continue `for the fabric of the country` is the abhorrence of organisations contrived non-payment of taxes!
No matter who or what they are everyone must pay their fair share!
This is the Scotland I want, the one where a `man’s a man for awe that`!
This is the Scotland I had hoped to see when I changed my vote from being a member of the Scottish Labour Party to voting SNP (Please don’t let me feel I have made a mistake)!
Those who withhold payment have to either pay or feel the full force of the penalties available to prevent others doing the same. Zero tolerance!
I pay all the tax I am supposed to and am happy to do so in the knowledge of what benefits those taxes bring to my community and country.
The moral issue is too important. The financial issue is too important. The need for as much money as possible for the services and benefits these taxes bring are to important for the People of Scotland.
Yours,
For my sins I worked in the Scottish Government for a year recently……
I left on realising what an utterly rancid environment it is….
Self serving individuals who have no grasp of anything ‘real’ at the heart of their endeavours.
There every action is to protect their personal futures or enhance their public standing….morality doesn’t come close
The Scottish media depend on them as they do the old firm………..civil servants or should it be self servants
It is no surprise to see our politicians ‘buying the line’ and perpetuating it’ we need rangers…..even Cameron has been ‘got at’.
The truth is most other clubs do not need them and many know that……
We need to ensure every football club (not just Celtic) stands up and is counted this weekend……
Banners displaying ‘WE DONT NEED THEM SALMOND’ ‘WE DONT SUPPORT CHEATS AND TAX DODGERS’
……at both ends of each every stadium for every SPL game would work a treat
Awe_Naw
I think you missed my :>)
Of course they wont have euro football.
YES I VOTE SNP AS I AM A NATIONALIST ,ALL POLITICIANS SAY AND DO THINGS THAT WE DONT LIKE OR AGREE WITH,SALMOND IS NO EXEPTION BUT ONCE YOUR COUNTRY BECOMES INDEPENDENT YOU CAN GO BACK TO VOTING FOR LABOUR ,TORYS ,LIB DEMS AND PUT THEM BACK IN POWER .
Great dodge by the PM.
VERY, VERY careful what he said.
South Of Tunis says:
16 February, 2012 at 13:38
You have the deepest crates on CQN
Respect..
SP
Frankly Franky says:
16 February, 2012 at 13:52
‘The SPL then has a serious dilemma on its hands. Do you re-admit them to save tv contracts etc and in doing so encourage Hearts’
The newco huns, by definition won’t be the huns.
Would Sky therefore be bound by the contract?
Or would they be able to renegotiate, at a lower figure?
Do you think that the people who negotiated the contract would have been aware during the negotiations of the possibility of the huns being liquidated?
Is it possible that the contract is a bit of a sham? That the purpose of the contract was a preemptive move by the SPL and Sky to help ease the admission of a newco huns straight into the SPL? ‘We need the huns! Look at the TV deal!’
Or are Sky and the SPL both flabbergasted that the huns are in administration, neither of them having considered the possibility before now?
I am totally stunned, Cameron has just spouted the biggest lot of gash l have ever heard, Jesus,
If this mob get off with this it will be a national disgrace.
Mtt
Using Alex Salmond’s logic, the most die hard patriot knows Scotland needs England!
David Cameron said similar about Portsmouth and to my knowledge has done nothing to back it up.
Sounds more like bluster to me. Probably the same from those in SNP and others in Scotland. Saying what they think people want to hear while knowing they can do nothing about it.
Mort
Alex Slamond
RESIGN NOW !
you are an absolute disgrace !
JFH
They are all coming out of the woodwork.
Off with their heads I say :>)
What size of donation did MIH make to the SNP?
THE EXILED TIM says:
16 February, 2012 at 14:02
Yes I did indeed !!!
SOreeeeeeee……………….
HAil HAil
p.s feel daft noooo
If there is any Celtic fan who still thinks handing full power to Alex Salmond is a good thing after what he has done over the past 6 months then you fully deserve the bell around your neck and tattoo on your arm that you will have 6 months after independence.
Mind you we really shouldnt be surprised at David Cameron it is the Conservative and Unionist party after all and he will align himself with all those Loyal Queen and Country followers of Rangers mind you, you would think they would have made a priority to pay there Queen her taxes when they were due.H.H.
Awe_Naw
You may feel many things but daft wont ever be one of them……………………
Daily Retard suckering a supportive statement re the ORCS from call me Dodgy Dave.
Everything getting wheeled out to support them.
They stole from the taxpayer FFS!!!
Gerry
Timabhouy
I went in to my post sympathetic to the nationalist position and have voted SNP…..
Having seen it up close I realise how morally bankrupt and driven by soundbite over substance they are….
More powers for these incompetents would be a disaster……and the other parties are even worse, they are not even good enough to run such an agenda.
Still hoping that the Celtic PLC correct wee Alex and the Scottish Nae Papes (SNP). We reiterate our stance – Celtic do not require Rangers.
Nous n’avons pas besoin Rangers
Wir brauchen keine Rangers
δεν χρειαζόμαστε φύλακες
нам не нужны рейнджеры
Vi behöver inte Rangers
I also have much jibber jabber from politicians over the years. I have to say that what Salmond is saying now isn’t the worst thing I have ever heard from a politician. When politicians lie with the consequence and intended consequence at that, of enabling military force to be unleashed on innocent communities, and entire countries , I try and apply perspective
Having said that, what Salmond said was appalling. It was untrue, it was self serving and it was disingenuous . As Paul 67 pointed out it was also a major abdication of the responsibility a politician is expected to show when it comes to matters of this nature.
It either put Rangers on a pedestal ahead of the taxpayer or it encouraged other clubs to stuff HMRC and the taxpayer. It was one or the other and I very much suspect it was the former
Salmond is doing what Salmond , and all politicians do…….they put themselves and their quest for power and votes ahead of all other priorities .
I very much hope that Celtic come out and make the strongest possible statement on all of this. The time is getting closer when Celtic will be required to be specific about their views on a Rangers Newco. It would be a good strategic move to set the expectations on that by in plain terms “ripping the first minister a new one”
In fairness to Peter Lawell he has been consistently strong on public pronouncements in defense of Celtic. Time for another one