Celtic have been completely dominant in Scottish football on many occasions but only once did this result in a domestic treble (the treble was won another two occasions when Celtic were only marginally ahead of the competition but were ruthlessly focussed).
At all other times we have had a morning like this, tossed out of one of the cup competitions by a vastly over-performing team. Little more than a handful of games against weaker opponents stood between us and a treble in each of the last two years, but as we have noted for many years now, Celtic are not consistent enough to win the treble. The evidence is substantial.
There are parallel ways we should react to this. In the middle of a Champions League campaign we should be focused on little else, players should be rested for the challenge ahead, even if there are resultant risks, but there will be disappointment that we didn’t see a recognisable performance from those drafted into the team. It wasn’t until Matthews, Commons and Stokes arrived last night that we looked anything like the Celtic we know. On no occasions should we lose at home to a Championship team looking for their first away win since April.
That domestic treble from a dominant position was achieved by Martin O’Neill in season 2000-01, a time when Martin scarcely made a substitution before 85 minutes, never mind rested players. This drew criticism, of course, as his ‘feeder’ players were denied opportunities to grow. Despite last night’s reversal I would still rather use these games to develop the wider squad.
I also don’t subscribe to the belief that ‘every game is a cup final’. Motivational strategies lose effectiveness if you roll them out too often.
Credit to Allan Moore and his “boys with desire and work-rate”.
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Jumbo,
Morton did indeed beat us 2-1 in Nov. 84 but I don’t know if that was the last time
31003
Only the ones with the chat line numbers on them
BTW, wifi was working for me.
Geordie Munro – I hope that you are right.
Can’t see it myself though,not with the added distraction of European football,welcome as it is.
A wee bit of competition does the game no harm anyway.It would be nice to have the title wrapped up by Christmas,I doubt it though.
Scottish football is brilliant now that the old huns are gone.
I don’t mind the other clubs wetting their beaks as well,just as long as we win the league,even by a single point.
midfield maestro
also interested in your package (CL)
The gulf in class between CFC and ICT was smaller than the gulf in class between the teams last night
Whether the support are more ready to accept such a defeat is irrelevant
31003
21:05 on
25 September, 2013
the spirit of arthur lee
Any pages stuck together?
Aw Nawwwwwwww !!!!!!! That’s just wrong :)
Celtic v Morton
http://www.celtic-mad.co.uk/head_to_head/celtic/vs/greenock_morton/index.shtml
Jobo
I’ll keep my eye out for news about the CQN gazebo on the Green.
Cheers. JC
zimmerman
i hope you were subject to the appropriate disciplinary procedures when you went back to work
as excuses for sickies go, that is poor and smacks of cant-be-rsed-ness
now, phoning in sick after a champions league victory against barcelona-thats a valid sickie excuse
Googybhoy
Thats what my grandad and parents did for me, I did for my kids and now grandkids. Celtic.
Tictaewin
That is the game I remember- bucketing it was.
Tricolured Ribbon
Pretty sure we won the next game down there the following March by 7 or 8 to 2. A less enjoyable day than it sounded as I think the Casuals were out in force that day and as a result the atmosphere stunk. Don’t think we were played them again until the centenary season when we beat them every time
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
morrissey the 23rd
20:56 on 25 September, 2013
mickbhoy1888 @ 20:44
Do you have any friends on CQN? Just curious.
I have enough friends thank you very much. Never joined the site to ingratiate myself with other Celtic supporters. Maybe you did.
Yer bang on Jimbo67.
And your right it was inbetween the 2 Rapid games.
Never in a million years would I have expected anyone on here to have been there that day.
Crazy world
HH
SuperSutton – I would really like to see big Tom succeed, but he was in the wrong position last night. I think he needs to sit a bit deeper and spread passes. It should have been him or Biton starting.
Tom was too easily dispossessed last night and he’ll really have to work on that, but if I’m honest I can’t see Lenny giving him enough game time to improve! His focus is on reliable defensive mids.
T4
Having recently returned to Lanarkshire after 25 years away, I must say how great it feels to have Season Books and bring the family to Celtic Park.
It is so much better that our old rivals have died and Celtic are the only big show in town.
Not having posted anything here for a while, it seems that some new posters, still in grief over the passing of their club are making fools of themselves masquerading as Celtic fans on this blog.
The facts are I am bringing my kids to 3 home Champions League matches, not to watch a new club masquerading as an old club in a cup competition I have never heard of.
I am not going to talk about finance/coaching or soccer management.
It is just great to be back and to find that good fiscal management at Celtic and greed elsewhere has changed Glasgow for good.
saltires en sevilla
I happen to be one of those on here for whom the League Cup was not the one thing we won, it was the only thing. It wasn’t the first cup I saw Celtic win, that was the Glasgow Cup, but it was the next one. Oh do not get me wrong I do not expect to win it, I hope we win it. It was important to Jimmy McGrory, to Jock Stein, to Wim Jansen, to Martin O’Neill and to Gordon Strachan, and I hope that Neil will get it right and win it next season. Would I rather we won the League, the Scottish Cup or the Champions League? Absolutely, but we do not get to choose the trophies we win. We need to win them first.
SFTB 18.40
I don’t subscribe to your point .
If you don’t like what they post , just scroll on .
I agree with your original thought’s.
There is too much quality to be missed by dividing the blog.
TT
Jobo
Sorry. Didnt make the karagandy game. Was away with work so didnt buy tickets. Will be there on Tuesday. .come and say hello. Fs2 row 9. Seats 5.6&7. My arse isn’t that big…will be there with my two bhoys.
Cheers – Robert.
tommytwiststommyturns supporting Wee Oscar
21:06 on
25 September, 2013
21Nov/PF – I sat through that last night. At first I was extremely bored and then very frustrated and annoyed at the end. It shouldn’t have happened, but bearing in mind the current status of the football club, it’s not even remotely close to the humiliation of the ICT result.
Really don’t know where you’re coming from with that…?!
T4, I completely agree the club are in a totally different place to where they were the night of the ICT result.
In fact I remember a hun at work telling me that we were 10 years behind his club, financially and on the park.
Lol !!!!! I really wish I could meet him these days, to remind him off that.
Tony Watt scores again for Lierse. Away to Lommel in the Belgian Cup.
Tictaewin
Was at the game. Jim Duffy ran the show if I recall.
HH
Gordybhoy64
From this UEFA site, you get the % win for each manager in the CL, but not including qualification games.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liga-mistrzow-uefa/trainer-historie/pokalwettbewerb_CL.html
At no167 (p9) NFL is there. Three places below his name you have the Watty The Wonderful (AKA, The Myth).
If you click onto their names, it gives you stats for every game they’ve been in charge of.
At the bottom of this page, it gives you their stats for all games in Europe.
NFL’s record in Europe
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/neil-lennon/leistung-saison/trainer_6266.html
The Myth’s
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/walter-smith/leistung-saison/trainer_1828.html
The stats from games in the CL, including qualification, are:
NFL__Games=21 Wins=12 Draws=2 Lost=7
Myth__Games=48 Wins=14 Draws=15 Lost=19
Hope this helps.
~SPF~
Milan Losing Tonight..? Goodee….
Balotelli Was Sent Off At The Weekend…
Two Yellow Cards….
And Is Banned For Three League Games..
With Their Current Injury Problems,
Hopefully Their League Form Will Decline Further…..
And They Will Be A Demoralised Ramshackle Outfit….
When They Turn Up At Parkheid….
Oan-The-Clyde…..
SOAL,
I know you are only posting the link,but I’m sure we beat them in a Scottish Cup semi in the late seventies.According to that we have never played them on a neutral ground.Maybe I’m wrong.
O.K. so we are all agreed that Bobby Madd ‘un is a Bad ‘un. Nothing we didn’t already know.
No point obsessing on it though. His intervention should have tuned a 6-0 scoreline into a 6-1 scoreline and we wouldn’t even be talking about him.
Celtic Mac
21:14 on
25 September, 2013
Great post CM and would appreciate your views on the following:
Would you take a Celtic win in the nextgen tournament before success in the League Cup ?
Not a leading question, just curious as I liked your post.
Monaghan1900
Thanks for your response.
How do I get your e-mail addy? Is it ok to put mine on here? not sure.
Thanks
HH
Morrisseythe23rd
Can you give a final number of resolutions put forward ? By Shareholders ( for any CFC staff looking in)
Hail Hail
Tictaewin
The early 80s – right through to Seville season- I was usually there. Possibly why the likes of Yvonne gave me the heave ho!
Not that I am in any way bitter!
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
Jumbo,
Yes that’s right.7-2 away.I worked with the guy who scored the two goals for Morton.Martin Doak.Think St.Stivs knows him too.
hoopy-do
If memory serves,my gaffer was a Barry Manilow fan,for this reason if no other,he didn’t have a leg to stand on in his later attempt to deride me.
Wee Tony’s equaliser inspires his team to go up the park and score a winner.
Lierse go through in the cup.
Tony watt scores the nite again. We signed a 2 million pound striker who the manager doesn’t trust to put in against Morton yet we chased tony watt! Makes absolutely no sense to me considering we are seriously short of goal scorers.
Hun skelper,
You are promoted to chief happy clapper.
Results like last night (especially as they happen all too regular ) should not be swept under the carpet. This ostrich like behaviour does not drive the analysis why and the improvements necessary.
The coaching staff are not learning from these repeated mistakes.
I have a couple of season tickets in 440 which I use when I am back in the country. Last night my son went.
I could give some insight into Lenny but it wouldnt be fair.
21Nov2006 – that’s really quite thought provoking. Their fall from “grace” has been spectacular!
You’ve also brought back some bad memories for me, working with a lot of Huns at a company in Motherwell during the latter stages of their 9iar. I would love to bump into some of them now!! :-)
clogher – why did you come back, are ye mad?!
HH
TTTT
TT
There is still quality and it is being crowded out.
I am getting repetitive scrolling by symptoms.
I cannot recall any poster from the old CQN, even Kojo in the past, who posted opinions they did not believe just to wind up fellow fans. If they were funny wind-ups, you could laugh but they’re at the level of “I heard Celtic were going to sign Darren Mackie and that’s a disgrace”
It’s like your favourite pub has been invaded by crashing bores. If they do not move, you have to find another favourite pub.
I was proposing the snug solution so that those who do not want to be bothered do not have to. Those who are fans of both types of posting can still visit both the snug and the old pub.