More worrying than the result


I know we had nothing up front, but Odsonne Edouard has looked more of a passenger in some games this season than Patryk Klimala and Moi Elyounoussi this afternoon.  The game was lost elsewhere.

Newco’s shape allowed them to dominate space whenever we had possession.  They were able to swiftly double up on Jeremie Frimpong and Diego Laxalt when the ball went wide, while they were compact enough in the middle of the field to keep Celtic from penetrating their final third.

Games are won and lost on mistakes and yet again we are talking about the defensive line at set pieces.  Connor Goldson’s ploy of standing offsite in the hope that a defender would break the line and play him on, was not subtle, but it was effective.  It was an excellent cross from the free kick (which wasn’t a free kick, but no excuses), Duffy was an enabler and Valarie Barkas could have done better.  Questions remain for both.

Culpability was less clear at the second goal, which was well worked.  With so many Celtic players in the box, you would expect one to get in the way of the drilled cross, but it fell to Goldson; teams who create chances get these breaks.  It was a deserved goal (again, no excuses, but the handball!).

The last time we dominated Newco was two years ago in a 1-0 win at Celtic Park when Olivier Ntcham controlled the game and scored the winner.  Stephen Gerrard learned from that day as Olivier has not had a sniff against them since.

Being ineffective up front and shaky at the back are worries enough, but the biggest concern is that we were unable to do anything to change the flow of the game.  An inability to control the any part of the game is more worrying than poor defending or not attacking.  It is more worrying than the result.

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  1. I thought Lennon was the answer (hands up)


    But the ET told me different and being stubborn I double down.


    Beginning to think the crabbit auld git was correct.


    But don’t tell him 😉

  2. onenightinlisbon on

    I agree with the comments re who would we get to replace him. This is not a suggestion but Tommy Wright would have set the team up better than lennon yesterday as would Jack Ross. Both would be considered inferior right enough…..

  3. A few posts today that Lennon may be unwell.



    I know he has suffered from depression in the past.



    I hope that those round about him will be able to see any changes in him and do something about it.



    I know that is not easy, as my family did not see that I was suffering from depression.



    If Neil needs help, now is the time.

  4. onenightinlisbon on

    And to answer the comments that sleekit huns on here are calling for him to go…quite the opposite, they want him to stay…wonder why?

  5. tongue n cheek , but imo he would be a better manager with a. proper professional backroom staff and not hand me downs from previous.

  6. I said ALEXANDER FRANCIS NEIL last night.That name alone would keep some on here happy 🍀

  7. Greek bloke in my work huge PAOK supporter I asked him re Barkas when we signed him.




    “Barkas mate”




    “Yes mate, we’ve signed him from AEK”


    “Barkas yes I think so, how much did you pay?”


    “5 m euro”


    “5 m euros, it’s a lot”


    “Yes, he any good?”


    “He used to be good”.

  8. GEEBEE1978



    Loads available!



    See previous posts!



    Pocchetino et al!



    How big is our owners ambition?



    Apparently it’s Neil Lennon!

  9. Anyway bedtime and remember when you wake up tomorrow bla bla bla😉


    And apparently it might not be a bad thing to start losing trophies:-)))



  10. A few things from sat


    1. Proved that the team that Neil chose in CL qualifier was right. Ie no striker as only Klimala available as he is gash



    2. I watched the game and saw our new left wing back


    A). Small and weak


    B) never won a tackle


    C) never beat a player


    D) none of his punts into box found a player


    E) was way out of position and we lost free kick that lost 1st goal



    But Neil said he had great debut. Did I miss something ???




    Come on mate. I love Celtic as much as the next person but can we be realistic?



    Pochettino’s last job was with a team that reached the CL final and his next job will likely be Manchester United or PSG. It is said he wasn’t interested in Everton (current English league leaders) as he was holiding out for something bigger.



    As I say, available, affordable and attainable. Pochettino doesn’t fit into any of those.

  12. BEEGEE1978



    You didn’t read my post.



    I said Pccetino ET AL!



    Loads out their not currently working,



    Let’s offer one of them a deal.



    Fail to plan………………………

  13. Yes, I read it and “et al” means the subject and others.



    So we’re ruling Pochettino out so who are those others?



    Maybe I missed the comments last night although I did see someone mention John Terry and assumed it was some kind of in-joke.




    Look, apologies but I really did miss the comments last night that suggested these managers who would be within our price range and would want to come to Scotland.



    So far you’ve given me Pochettino and someone I was actually being sarcastic about. Neither is coming to Scotland.

  15. Gerrard would do a better job.



    He knows his settled side, and seems to be tactically aware.



    What would he do with our obviously better players.



    The mind boggles.




    I agree and while I hope I’m wrong, Gerrard might be developing into a better coach than we’ve all wanted to believe. Of course, he needs to turn that into something tangible (trophies) but if he stops the ten, he’ll deserve the plaudits that will come his way.

  17. GEEBEE1978



    If we offer the money, they will come.



    If we offer them the financial support , they will come.



    If you build it he will come.



    It’s simple, really.

  18. The task now is to steady the ship, stop the bleeding and ensure we’re in a position to win when we get a full squad back and our hitting better form.



    We’ve 10 weeks of immense importance before we head to ibrox. We must win every game. Lennon’s record last season alone suggests that’s achievable.



    Sacking him now is a bigger risk than keeping him.

  19. I do hope we get ten in a row ,but with wrong formations and some players not up to ,I have my doubts,some on Twitter saying Jozo still without a club,some are saying Celtic should bring him back,can’t for the life of why he was allowed to leave ,who at the club would sanction him being shown the door,same applies to Scott Sinclair .

  20. GEEBEE1978



    I’m signing off for the night, but I know we both want what is Best for Celtic.



    A long way to go, covid permitting,.



    Hail Hail and good night.




    Within reason. Celtic (and more importantly, Scottish football) isn’t as glamorous to others as it might be to us.



    Elite managers aren’t coming to Scotland. Forget Klopp, Allegri, Pochettino, Pep….they’re not coming.



    Brendan was a real coup and Lennon was a serious downgrade. So we’re looking at a Rodgers-quality appointment, preferably.



    Again, who is out there now who would come? Remember, whoever comes in, comes after pre-season and transfer window.

  22. glendalystonsils on

    Celtic may not be able to attract a top manager but I would settle for one with tactical nous , motivational skills and a professional , up to date approach to fitness .


    There will certainly be candidates out there.


    Neil has tremendous qualities but I feel he is struggling within himself at the moment .

  23. RC



    Exactly my point. All very well Lennon walking and I’ll admit I don’t think he’s the sort of quality we should have in charge.



    But all I’ve heard so far as suggestions to replace him are Pochettino and Allegri. Can we deal in real life and not fantasy football?




    Agreed. So who are those managers out there (realistic and attainable names only)?

  25. onenightinlisbon on

    The board will not part company with the manager until we are well behind Sevco (God forbid) if they do so at all. They are not known for snap decisions apart from appointing someone to our most important job in a shower….

  26. If Lennon didn’t feel right or up to it…or maybe the burden was becoming too much, maybe he should’ve stepped aside in the summer.



    A new bloke could’ve come in, had a brief pre-season, brought in the players he wanted to bring and got his stamp on the team before we played Rangers and maybe even before Ferencvaros.



    Chris Houghton was available at that stage.

  27. Go tell the Spartim on

    Is Pochettino waiting for Man Utd gig only one seems viable for him, give him a deal till end of season then, he’s doing nothing else



    Eddie Howe


    Marco Silva


    Ralf Rangnik



    Are they realistic enough or are we continuing with the rhetoric of we can’t get better so stick with NFL



    Those under contract but gettable



    Michael O’Neill


    Dan Petrescu



    To name but two, personally I’d live the wolves manager and not just for his name

  28. Through A Green Glass Brightly on

    Impressive amount of psychiatrists on here today, I’m sure each and every one would be quite happy to read or hear that the state of their own mental health and past mental health history was being so openly discussed on social media.



    Makes me more impressed that Lenny was brave enough to disclose his battles with mental health issues as he thought it would help lessen the stigma associated with it when he must have suspected/ known that it would be used against him every time things weren’t going well for the team.




    I’d take Eddie Howe all day long. Marco Silva? No thanks…



    Michael O’Neill should’ve been sounded out earlier. Clearly a decent manager.

  30. Only one domestic defeat has been mentioned on here. Yes, but it was to our main rivals, the equivalent of a six point swing. It was ridiculously easy for them, and they have bossed us three times in a row, without us altering our tactics to counteract it. What have the present management team done to address our impotence against them? And if they have a solution, why did we not see it at half time? Our gutless ineptitude was humiliating, and an utter embarrassment. Stats show we had 5 touches of the ball in their box in the first half, and 6 in the second, two of them from Griffiths. Combined with no shots on target, it is scarcely credible how low we have sunk against a bankrupt zombie team. Defeat on Sunday and Neil will be dead man walking.

  31. glendalystonsils on

    GEEBEE 1978



    Who had heard of Jo Venglos or Ronny Deila ? Not many I would wager . Nick Hammond , Peter Lawwell or whoever is responsible could surely sound out some names from the strata of lesser known but competent possibles. We don’t require a Pochettino to get us to where we should be.


    The last thing I would want to hear is that ‘this is who DD wants’ as in Roy Keane , or heaven forbid , a repeat of the ‘shower’ scene from Celtic psycho .


    That is no reflection on Neil Lennon BTW who , I’m sure would have been happy to go through the normal application process .