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More worrying than the result

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I know we had nothing up front, but Odsonne Edouard has looked more of a passenger in some games this season than Patryk Klimala and Moi Elyounoussi this afternoon.  The game was lost elsewhere.

Newco’s shape allowed them to dominate space whenever we had possession.  They were able to swiftly double up on Jeremie Frimpong and Diego Laxalt when the ball went wide, while they were compact enough in the middle of the field to keep Celtic from penetrating their final third.

Games are won and lost on mistakes and yet again we are talking about the defensive line at set pieces.  Connor Goldson’s ploy of standing offsite in the hope that a defender would break the line and play him on, was not subtle, but it was effective.  It was an excellent cross from the free kick (which wasn’t a free kick, but no excuses), Duffy was an enabler and Valarie Barkas could have done better.  Questions remain for both.

Culpability was less clear at the second goal, which was well worked.  With so many Celtic players in the box, you would expect one to get in the way of the drilled cross, but it fell to Goldson; teams who create chances get these breaks.  It was a deserved goal (again, no excuses, but the handball!).

The last time we dominated Newco was two years ago in a 1-0 win at Celtic Park when Olivier Ntcham controlled the game and scored the winner.  Stephen Gerrard learned from that day as Olivier has not had a sniff against them since.

Being ineffective up front and shaky at the back are worries enough, but the biggest concern is that we were unable to do anything to change the flow of the game.  An inability to control the any part of the game is more worrying than poor defending or not attacking.  It is more worrying than the result.

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  1. ***CQN PLAYER OF THE YEAR 2020-21***

     

    RESULTS FROM GAME #14 – CELTIC 0 SEVCO 2

     

     

    Apart from a 15-20 minute period in the first half where we were looking to work our way back into the game we were pretty dismal yesterday. And when watching games like that, worrying about who our least bad players are is never an easy task. 16 players took to the field and only half of them received any votes at all. Anyway, as my lookalike (apparently) once said “and that’s all I have to say about that!”

     

    So, it’s a really big thank you to the 45 who voted. But in cases some of you analyse my arithmetic, 2 folk emailed just to say that no-one was deserving of their votes and a few others only offered up 1 or 2 names. But all valid and acceptable!

     

    The numbers cast for each player are as follows (with my own choices asterisked). Maybe being a debutant in a Glasgow Derby is reflected in the opinions –

     

     

    Barkas: 0

     

    Welsh*: 31

     

    Duffy: 1

     

    Ajer: 20

     

    Frimpong: 0

     

    McGregor*: 15

     

    Brown: 16

     

    Ntcham: 0

     

    Laxalt*: 35

     

    Elyounoussi: 0

     

    Klimala: 2

     

    Ajeti: 0

     

    Griffiths: 4

     

    Rogic: 0

     

    Turnbull: 0

     

    Taylor: 0

     

     

    So, the players receiving points for the Sevco game are –

     

     

    Laxalt – 5 points

     

    Welsh – 4 points

     

    Ajer – 3 points

     

    Brown – 2 points

     

    McGregor – 1 point

     

     

    And the overall table is now –

     

    1st – Frimpong and McGregor – 26 points

     

    3rd – Christie– 25 points

     

    4th – Duffy and Ntcham – 14 points

     

    6th – Elyounoussi – 13 points

     

    7th – Ajer – 12 points

     

    8th – Brown – 11 points

     

    7th – Bitton and Taylor – 10 points

     

    11th – Barkas – 9 points

     

    12th – Ajeti – 8 points

     

    13th – Edouard – 6 points

     

    14th – Forrest, Griffiths and Laxalt – 5 points

     

    17th – Elhamed, Klimala and Welsh – 4 points

     

    20th – Jullien – 2 points

     

    21st – Turnbull – 1 point

     

    22nd – Bain, Bolingoli, Dembele, Rogic and Soro – 0 points

     

     

    One final wee aside. Stephen Welsh played 1 game for us last season, a 4-1 win away to Hamilton and has now played 1 game this season. In both games he was runner up as man of the match. He is averaging 4 points per game!

     

    It’s now back to Europa league action as we entertain AC Milan on Thursday evening. At the moment it’s not a game I’m particularly looking forward to…………

     

     

    Hail Hail!

  2. GLENDALYSTONSILS

     

     

    To be fair, I’d heard of Jo Venglos. He managed Czechoslovakia to the World Cup quarter-finals in Italia 90 and managed Villa (with disastrous results).

     

     

    Granted, I’d never heard of Ronny Deila but not sure he’d be good enough either. Did a job for which I’m grateful but that was before Rangers returned.

     

     

    I’ve never been convinced that Lennon is the best man for the job but sacking him, having JK in charge as caretaker before bringing in Roy Keane or Jack Ross is probably the likely scenario – unless we pull another Brendan Rodgers-type appointment out of the hat.

  3. People on here sneered at the idea of Steve Clarke.

     

     

    One thing I’d say about Clarke is he’d have us playing to a system, hard to beat and with players giving their all and knowing their roles. We had none of that on Saturday and every little of it all season.

  4. lets all do the huddle on

    One thing I’d say about Clarke is he’d have us playing to a system, hard to beat 

     

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    and hard to watch

     

     

    but a fair point

  5. sid @ 6:35 pm

     

     

    SFTB Nice of you to admit for the first time we do have problems, that’s a start that’s progress.

     

     

    I have talked about the problems in our team many times. You do not crdit that because I have been insufficiently strident for your own taste, The difference is that I have placed the team troubles within the context of being a successful domestic team. So much so, that posters get frustrated by my constant reminders to 9 titles won in a row and still 2 games away from a quadruple treble. Another difference is that I will admit that my diagnosis of team troubles is sometimes wrong, as when I called out big Jullien early on as unconvincing but he finished up near the top of our CQN pOTY for last year.

     

     

     

     

    I know when our regression started and it was before the McGinn fiasco. I know because I pointed it out at the time but I was told to hush by yourself and others because at that time Sevco were rubbish, as if that matters when you want Celtic to improve and progress.

     

     

    You believe you know this but you are only thinking it; that does not amount to knowledge. I have never told anyone to “hush”- not my style. I will have merely disagreed with you and explained my reasons for doing so. That is debate- not censorship. You see a lot of this mistaken thinking on the blog with posters regularly posting that you are not allowed to criticise the team on here, when they really mean I don’t like it when my criticisms are not met with universal approval.

     

     

     

     

    It started when we first needed to freshen the squad and our answers were Comperr and Hendry, 2M for two defenders when we had qualified for successive champions league was a disgrace to give a manager.

     

    We then compound the error on the next window and again I pointed it out. You clapped.

     

     

    Comperr was generally welcomed on here as it was felt he must be good because he had played Bundesliga. Hendry- we had seen and very few were impressed. My habit, which I’ve kept to for every transfer window, was to wait and see how they performed for us before I made up my mind. Oh and the reason I clapped would have been that, yet again we were winning a league and every domestic cup we entered. I have never let a disappointing signing spoil my pleasure at Celtic winning. That seems a strange outlook to take. Now, if all the signings were disappointing leading to a determined deterioration in our standards, that would be a different matter. But even with a might gap of 4 points (with a game in hand) in season 2020/21, that has not happened …….yet.

     

     

     

     

    Just like you’ve clapped all season despite us producing horrific performances. We told you the first decent team would beat Celtic we were correct again.

     

     

    I clap because Celtic winning gives me enjoyment. I recommend the approach. Oh! and I wouldn’t call them decent, that word has other connotations. They are an effective team now. So are Aberdeen and Hibs, but both Celtic and Seco are still capable of dropping points to Livi and Killie and St. johnstone and Motherweel etc; which, again, is why I clap when we don’t.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    To highlight your need for ridiculous positivity yesterday’s was a cracker, I didn’t reply because I didn’t want to be accused of bringing the mood down before kick up.

     

     

    Nice of you to wait until after your non-prediction was proven right. I have not previously noticed this tendency towards restraint in expressing negative views, before, during or after a match.

     

     

     

    You pointed to a weakness in your mind of 2 Sevco international players on their BENCH as if it was some sort of positive while we had 2 players who had only made a few starts who were starting, Welch and Klimala.

     

     

    The two are not mutually exclusive. I chose to articu;ate their weaknesses and , likewise, I chose not to talk up our weaknesses; plenty of others were doing a good job on that front. Neither my positivity nor the negativity of yourself and others had an effect on the outcome of the game.

     

     

     

     

    That was shark jumping of the highest order.Of course we were that bad that they weren’t even needed.

     

     

    Definition: Jumping the shark is an idiom used to describe a moment when something that was once widely popular, but has since grown less popular, makes a misguided attempt at generating publicity that instead only serves to highlight its irrelevance.

     

     

    With a whole wheen of idiocies being pronounced all over t’internet and from many governments of this world, it is humbling that you would think my assessment of the quality of the Sevco bench players, was deserving of an award.

     

     

    I’d like to thank my family and the power of prayer, for I ma truly undeserving of such recognition.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Any comment on these 2 questions.

     

    Calum McGregor we have internal issues?

     

    You attribute no blame to our manager so if we have a great squad why have performances been so bad all season?

     

     

    Since you’ve asked nicely.

     

     

    q.1- Callum said nothing much different than Shane Duffy said on Twitter/Instagram after the game. They took personal responsibility and they said the team must sit down and iron out its issues too. They never threw any individual player, coach or staff member of Celtic under the bus. All else is reading between the lines to find kustification for your own pet theory. Of course, we have problems; we just lost to a lesser team (for the 2nd time at home). These are the kinds of words that players are coached to say when they have let fans down. I hope they are meant but I won’t swallow them wholesale until we see it translated into superior performances on the pitch.

     

     

    I would accept a whole string of dreary 1:0 wins all the way from here to the end of the season but we know it won’t happen. You have hinted before of your family involvement with the senior game in Scotland so you will know that form is fleeting, that winning is an important habit, that you can drop points unexpectedly and that players hurt and fal out when they are regularly losing.

     

     

    Our group is being tested now. When they were tested in the past; they have won through and proved doubters wrong. I believe and hope that they can do ut again but it will not be done by blind faith and belief and it will not be done because of your words or mine on the Internet.

     

     

    It will only be done if the guys who have earned the right to coach and play for Celtic do it.

     

     

    They will be the only guys I am clapping for at the end of the season.

  6. In the cold light of day we have had a very unsettled start to the season and after 10 matches we have lost 1 and drawn 1. That is acceptable and better than the majority of league campaigns at this stage. We are only 1 point nett behind the leaders who have drawn 2 matches.

     

     

    As much as they have started well they have much the same squad as last season, if am not mistaken all 11 starters yesterday were there last year. They imploded massively last season when the going got tough and i cannot emphasis this enough, they have it all to prove when it really matters.

     

     

    For now we need to concentrate on ourselves, we have enough in that dressing room to straighten our heads and put a run together. The fact is come this week we will have a much stronger pool of players to chose from. History has shown we will respond and i fully expect that. History has also shown that thems struggle under pressure. Yesterday was unacceptable and everyone knows it but there was mitigation.

     

     

    Neil Lennon is going nowhere fast. He hasn’t come this far without having the spine to see it through. as someone said to me last night, its only 3 points lost. You win nothing in October.

  7. ST TAMS

     

     

    Chris Hughton has just joined Nottingham Forest. I would like to think our aims are higher than Jack Ross. Eddie Howe is a decent shout.

     

     

    LETS ALL DO THE HUDDLE

     

     

    True, it wouldn’t be easy on the eye but we haven’t been a great watch anyway. I’d rather a tough watch and give Rangers and Ferencvaros a game than a tough watch and stroll around seemingly uninterested.

  8. Cowiebhoy 7.43pm

     

     

    My usual “ drivel” (not been on the blog for a few weeks, probably should have stayed away) is just as good or bad as the next posters drivel … I find it a bit rich considering my drivel is from the comfort of my living room and not travelling about the world during a global pandemic

     

     

    Hope you have a lovely holiday and stay safe

  9. What I will say before I go to bed is that nothing would please me more than a big plate of humble pie and to see Lennon lift the ten. It would be seemingly fitting.

     

     

    However, whatever people think of his coaching credentials, and I personally have my doubts, some of the language used last night was out of order. Nobody should be calling our current manager a “clown” or the like.

  10. glendalystonsils on

    Steve Clarke managing Celtic wouldn’t necessarily be as hard a watch as Scotland . For one thing, he would have more fire power at his disposal in Eddy , Patryk , Griff and Ajeti and could afford to play more expansively

     

     

    With the added bonus that his team would be hard to beat when the occasion demanded .

     

     

    Not that Steve Clarke would be interested in the Celtic job.

  11. glendalystonsils on

    And anyway , playing Dykes as a lone striker with nobody to link up with , is something that just wouldn’t happen at Celtic …..oh wait.

  12. GEEBEE1978,

     

     

    I’m glad you reminded me – I meant to post similar last night.

     

     

    Agreed, whatever side of the fence you sit on regarding our performances calling our manager a “clown” or any such names is uncalled for.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  13. GEEBEE1978 on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 10:22 PM

     

    GLENDALYSTONSILS

     

     

    To be fair, I’d heard of Jo Venglos. He managed Czechoslovakia to the World Cup quarter-finals in Italia 90 and managed Villa (with disastrous results).

     

     

    *Like you so did I, I was also aware of WTT remembering him from the San Siro in 1970, I’m not just a Celtic supporter but an avid fitba fan and used tae devour as much as I could when younger.

     

     

    When Dr Jo joined Villa my first reaction was why couldn’t we get someone like him.

     

     

    When he left though I was of the thank eff we didnae get him before finding out the real story. Unfortunately outlander fitba wisnae ready for him or his tactics, training and lifestyle changes, they were still intae the chips and egg washed down with pints of bitter and that was pre-game.

     

     

    No warm ups or warm downs either just straight intae the bath and back tae the pub. He was another case of a manager losing the dressing room to player power.

  14. SYDNEYTIM on 18TH OCTOBER 2020 8:51 PM

     

     

    2. I watched the game and saw our new left wing back

     

    A). Small and weak

     

    B) never won a tackle

     

    C) never beat a player

     

    D) none of his punts into box found a player

     

    E) was way out of position and we lost free kick that lost 1st goal

     

     

    But Neil said he had great debut. Did I miss something ???

     

     

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    Yes you did. You missed what 35 of the voters in Jobo’s “competition” saw that made him our player of the match. (Which isn’t necessarily a very high bar)

  15. Jane Field Street on

    Is there any possibility thar Shaun Maloney could be tempted to Celtic as a coach, with a view to being a future manager?

  16. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    Philbhoy

     

     

    I’ve no idea about Lenny’s current mental health, but I don’t envy him the enormous weight on his shoulders. Would crush most.

  17. The Comfortable Collective on

    I’m sure many on here have lambasted Paul 67 for his anti SNP rant on Friday (aye right).

     

     

    But given in the same rant he guaranteed, guateanteed a Celtic win, yesterday had he responded to this?

     

     

    I know he has ‘moved on’ and put up articles since the abortion yesterday.

     

     

    Just wondering if he had updated his ‘guaranteed’ win despite the SNP article yet.

     

     

    Or will that just be filed under Shhhhhhhh

  18. The Comfortable Collective on

    Celtic were lucky to win the League Cup. The huns bossed that game.

     

     

    Huns have bossed the last two league games.

     

     

    EASILY

     

     

    CELTIC HAVE BEEN BOSSED FROM BEGINNNG TO END IN THE LAST THREE GAMES AGAINST THE LATEST TEAM FOR ibrox.

     

     

    That’s down to tactics.

     

     

    For fuck sake Celtic. Get someone who can manage the players at his disposal.

     

     

    Not fucking rocket science.

  19. jane field street

     

     

    No offence to wee Shaun but he does not have the personality to be a Celtic Manager.

     

    Then again Neil does but after a fashion that is not always enough.

     

    And wasn’t Shaun a coach of ours already?

  20. weebobbycollins on

    The Comfortable Collective…”Get someone who can manage the players at his disposal.”

     

    Who would be your choice?

  21. Mass hysteria breaking out everywhere from screaming ,hysterical alleged fans who have just lost the plot.Bring back,Jozo,listing every failed manager they can think of.Even the fantastically successful,Sean Maloney getting a mention.I have even seen idiots trying somehow to question the keeper for yesterday,eh.

     

    On Saturday,we had players worth around 100 odd goals a season missing.Thems the breaks.

     

    If you can’t take a defeat ,then take up another sport,like no contact boxing.

     

    We were pish,and they had one shot on target from open play,one header,and one free kick.But get sacked in by the guff.Carry on among yourselves.

  22. GFTB

     

    I’ll gve you the courtesy of a response

     

    International travel is still allowed

     

    I had and paid for a private Covid PCR test, which both allowed me to fly and gain entry into Antigua ( was still health checked on entry at airport here)

     

    Now my travels have nothing whatsoever to do with my views or your on how the Glasgow Celtic are playing

     

    We have been poor all this season

     

    We were winning games post Christmas 2019, but we’re not setting the heather on fire through to the season shutdown either

     

    How long should we then put up with the poor displays ?

  23. TURKEYBHOY

     

    I don’t think I am hysterical, or a screamer. My questions, which I believe to be reasonable for a fan of 60 years to ask, are these:

     

    Why were we pish?

     

    Why have we been pish in our last 3 games vs the Zombie Club?

     

    Why has nothing been done about it?

     

    Why were changes not made at half time?

     

    Not trying to start an argument, but you said we were pish. Don’t you want to know the reasons why?

  24. SFTB

     

     

    Thanks for the response and answering my questions.

     

    Hope my passion doesn’t come across as aggression sometimes lost in the written word, well someone with my writing limitations.

     

     

    I have to admire you standing firm but my experience is telling me this ain’t no blip and easy recovery and progression.

     

    Yesterday was no worse than St Johnstone only inferior opposition.

     

    We are now in a position imo that the bigger gamble is to stick than twist and I’m sure we’ll get to see that played out.

     

    Just hope we are not in a position soon before Christmas wishing we had twisted.

     

    I’m sure you’ll enjoy me reminding you of this conversation lol.

     

     

    Ohh my non prediction was genuine, I was on at half time urging Neil to make a double change now, not wait until we were 2 down.

     

    Yesterday freaked me out because I was woken by rebel tunes and half asleep thinking that boys going to be disappointed in a few hours. I then was expecting 8 different items in mail, I thought one specific one would arrive for some reason, soon as final whistle blew, my door went with said item. I then went to chippy and for some reason I thought it wouldn’t be open, got their and sat waiting, young lad came out and said fryer broken. Really freaky day,anyway wee story to help you sleep 🙂

  25. Ohh just in case theirs still some Tims out there in a complacent mood something I’ve been constantly preaching does us no favours.

     

    I’d like you to factor in the Scottish officials into your complacency.

     

     

    As my dad was coming in from the warm up yesterday at the Alloa Morton game our game was just finished upon looking into the referee room the referee and officials were said to be in a jovial mood almost celebratory. Looks like the grooming process is still in perfect working order.

  26. some good comments, i like the one “if we are going to stick with Neil at least have his own backroom staff and not hand me downs”.

     

     

    Big difference with sevco coaching staff and us is you watch the touchline, slippy and Gary McAllaster, shouting at theirs players nd talking together constantly

     

     

    Neil turns round and see The man that put the cones out for Brenden Rodgers coaching team at Lennox town,

     

    Hey john in your experience , how should i change it? john replies don’t know boss , i don’t have much experience at playing a lot at highest level , sorry boss

     

     

    it would be funny if it weren’t true our football department is very low at experience, Had Duff here for while, John Kennedy brought him in to help in at 1st as John has very little experience

  27. Melbourne Mick on

    Hello again all you young rebels.

     

     

    Still bewildered by that inept performance from our Bhoys.

     

    There’s no denying that Neil has questions to answer regarding

     

    team selection and tactics and why we haven’t learned after the

     

    previous three games against Der hun.

     

    Is he hogtied by contract issues i.e certain players must play when

     

    fit? have others spat the dummy out? and others just going through

     

    the motions?

     

    Whatever it is it needs sorted now.

     

    Despite the bad result I console myself with the fact they’ve won

     

    feck all yet, and I’d bet if asked they would rather not have had the

     

    last 10 years of misery we’ve inflicted on them instead of that one result.

     

    Again more disappointing is the vitriol on here towards a man who

     

    deserves a bit of respect, calling him a clown is shameful, and as for the

     

    repetitive insult towards our assistant coach as just a cone layer?

     

    childish attention seeking imo.

     

    Anyway, I’m a bit happier today, our state of roughly 6 million has only

     

    recorded a couple of new infections, amazing result for Melburnians and

     

    outlying regions, we are opening up now, but slowly.

     

    PADDYMACOZ has already been on the phone trying to plan a gathering

     

    of peninsula rebels asap, and I don’t think any of us will be dwelling to much

     

    on that result when were belting out our tunes.

     

    As someone once said ” thurs nae medals been haunded oot yet ” 8-))

     

    H.H. Mick

  28. weebobbycollins on

    MM…good on you sir! Your positivity is always refreshing…as you say, nothing has been won yet.