Rangers won three consecutive Scottish Cups in the 60s and Aberdeen repeated the feat in the 80s, however, Celtic have never won the Cup more than twice in succession.
The closest we came to three in a row was the 1990 final, when Sunday’s opponents, Aberdeen, won the trophy on penalties after the game ended 0-0. The double was achieved in the Centenary Season, before Joe Miller’s famous winner in 1989, but we were a busted flush by season 89-90.
A last 16 win over Rangers at Celtic Park was illusory. That season, Celtic finished fifth in the league; ahead of Motherwell and Hibs only on goal difference (Celtic had a goal diff. of zero). We were four points ahead of second bottom St Mirren.
29 years on, it is hard to explain how much we thought we needed to win that Cup in 1990. After a cataclysmic season, there was a chance to celebrate with an historic third successive Scottish Cup. Instead, we walked out of Hampden that afternoon telling ourselves a Cup win would have papered over the cracks, and that medicine of defeat would be a more effective tonic.
That was rubbish. Defeat is not a wake-up call, then it was a portent of what was to come throughout the 90s.
No Celtic fan who walks into Hampden on Sunday will have the sheer desperation to beat Aberdeen that we had at that 1990 final. But, unlike then, this time, we can look each other in the eye and say we deserve to join the three-in-a-row Scottish Cup winners’ club.
We have planned for our current success. Form outside the competition supports the ambition. If we win this Scottish Cup, we have earned it. 29 years is a long time to wait for compensation, but I firmly believe that without the pain of defeat, we cannot experience the full jobs of triumph. I want this for my May 1990 self. I needed a break that day.
15th Annual CQN Open Golf Day
This year’s CQN Open will take place once again at Aberdour Golf Club on Friday 21 June. The usual successful format and costs are £80 for the golf and evening event, £40 golf only and £40 night time only.
Please contact john@thewoodsidehotel.co.uk if you would like to come along. Speakers and charitable beneficiaries to be announced. Anyone seeking overnight accommodation, please contact John at The Woodside Hotel. John has an attractive package including a game at Burntisland Golf Club the day before the CQN Open, should you wish to hone your skills on the Fife Riviera!
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Jobo – I respect your thoughts on the old stars subject.
I am sure there are others who have stars for league wins, but I cannot recall who at the moment.
If there is a precedent for it then I think we should use it to show off our glorious history.
Hail Hail
D. :)
Trying to watch the Masters, Anyone else having issues with Virgin, Sky sports golf channel, picture keeps going away????
D. :)
David66, I just started watching the golf 10 minutes ago (Virgin Media) and no problems so far.
I am with Jobo on the SOS ( Stars on Shirts) issue.
David 66
I was watching it on Hesgoal . It went to the adverts in English and came back in Dutch !!
JJ
Cheers guys.
D. :)
Long John Bawdry was often down the aul Nags Head in Wycombe… British Blues Legend – R.I.P.
TIMALOY29 @ 3:25 PM,
Absolutely, the broader point though is it depends on how well these things are set up and who is in position. Apparently we took a different approach in appointing the last manager (we did it through a recruitment firm). It was a very smooth and professional transition.
Now back in the day one reason Celtic were against the DofF role was the Jock Brown saga… It’s interesting to look back at how that panned out some twenty years ago…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/football/scottish_premier/209621.stm
You will note Fergus’s candour and openness and leadership. It was very controversial then but as Scottish Football supporters clamour for transparency and accountability, there it is personified.
We don’t have a Chairman worth the name.
No disrespect to Mr Bankier, who is a PLC Chairman with the responsibilities that entails, he’s been in position for seven years now so no doubt he’s doing a good job.
But what we need is a Chairman of a Football Club thats what Fergus was. Also the fact that the Jock Brown thing turned sour doesn’t mean that the role should have been abandoned.
Of course in Fergus’s day it was quite innovative, now it is necessary.
Our lack of a Chairman leading us and a DofF running football operations is why Celtic supporters feel their Club is in limbo and why we are underachieving compared to our European peers.
STEPHBHOY @ 1:44 PM,
Sometimes when reading CQN I scratch my head in bewilderment, often because some concepts just go over my head but often it’s due to lack of joined up thinking.
Now, it always intrigues me that ghuys who have no problem with the world class sums we pay to our PLC Board want to nickel & time over players, managers, coaches etc…
Now it’s a DofF for 500K!?
Brendan Rodgers had the crazy idea he was “Head of Football” he was never allowed to fulfil that role.
Yet a EPL record of £9M compensation was paid for him and his staff.
That would pay for your DofF for 18 years…
Brendan Rodgers made more money, more profit, increased the value of our squad to record levels, that’s what a good football man can do for a Club
Let me give you a hypothetical analysis on Football recruitment…
Celtic Board… wanted Teemu Pukki, hussled to the very last to squeeze every nickel out of the deal. As BSR put it… we’re up all night to get Pukki.
He bombed at Celtic.
Brendan Rodgers approach was different, he approached it not as a negotiator but as a football man.
He liked getting players in early in the window, he assessed players, players didn’t sign a contract to play for Celtic, they signed a contract to train for Celtic.
Each player was given their own detailed training and coaching plan. They had to reach certain parameters, understand the tactics and game plans and be in peak condition technically and physically to play for Celtic.
Now tell me, if that had happened to Teemu Pukki at Celtic would he have made it?
Would he have been a great asset as a player, could we have added value and sold him for a profit? The guy undoubtedly had potential.
So, what is the best approach?
In my opinion, the person in charge of Football operations should know football… not by osmosis but by being there, done that…
Hail Hail
Jobo & David66
I am sure that Italian clubs started the trend of a star above the crest for every 10 Italian titles won. The huns just copied it wi their five fag burns above their badge. I don’t think we should follow suit. One Gold star above our crest suits. Also prefer white collar on our hoops jersey.?
Is it not tomorrow that ole Davido Regis is going to court to find out how much he owes Mike Ashley and his legal team? I must have marked it in my diary when they were last in court.
I just went for a wee Google and Newsnow trawl to see what the Fourth Estate (or even Phil MacG) were making of it. Nothing, nada, zilch as they say.
How much is he paying Traynor? I am sure if our Absent Irish Raj was up on a speeding charge, the headlines would be screaming it.
?⚽️
Seems I am in the minority, regarding the stars on the strips.
Ah well
D. :)
POR CIERTO @ 4:56 PM,
“BR had the final say on ALL players who came to the club por cierto.”
With all due respect that is simply not the case. I’m not at all sure what would give you that impression. If it wasn’t obvious from the “alleged” forty players he brought in some of whom…
He didn’t know about
Wouldn’t fit in to his game plans
Were wingers – unless he’s a secret kleptomaniac in denial
The fact is, he stated several times he wanted quality not quantity.
The other more salient point and this is key – just before the summer 2018 debacle Peter Lawwell set forth the recruitment process. He’s on record as saying this…
Peter Lawwell, Lee Congerton and Brendan Rodgers were the guys in the process.
Brendan Rodgers highlighted positions that needed players, Lee Congerton put potential players forward and Peter Lawwell negotiated with the players or agents or clubs to try to close the deal.
That’s the process as stated by our CEO, he did the negotiations and signed the players. That’s straight from the horses mouth.
We know from cases like Arzani (one of the one thousand wingers) that often Brendan Rodgers was by past in this process. Peter Lawwell never was he could never be.
What Brendan Rodgers did have was the final say on was players being sold, no player was to be sold without his agreement. The fact that most of the Celtic squad was up for sale last Summer without his approval and that they tried to sell Boyata and Dembele despite Brendan Rodgers objections suggests that the spirit of this agreement wasn’t upheld even if the “letter” was.
Hail Hail
If we do win the league this season, and they decide to put the 5 stars on the badge, i would do it for one season only as a sort of piss-take girfuy to the Huns and to mark the achievement
Back the the solitary gold star thereafter
B-)
David 66
I’m with Jobo and Delaney’s about the stars on the jersey. It should only be for European trophy’s won.
I always imagine a scenario of a monkey sitting in a pub in Benidorm and some football fan from anywhere in Europe asking why he has five stars on his top and laughing when he hears it’s for winning the Scottish league 50 times.
Let’s keep the stars for the real achievements,let them wallow in their own made up pish history.
Step forward Aberdung FC for sticking a star on as well for winning a “super cup” friendly against Hamburg .
If you could turn back the clock to the end of February are were told that either Brendan Rodgers or Peter Lawwell would have to leave immediately….but it would be your choice as to who would go….who would you choose…
And yes it is a trick question…
Git that Liewell ooota ther noo!
angryclansman.org
Stars in their Lies.
And it was, of course, 9 years after Rangers (1872-2012) had had them added that Sevco arrived to feed on the remains.
Bankiebhoy noted
All votes will be counted
WITS
Is this an indicative vote or is it legally binding?
Can we have 3.5 years to make up our minds?
WHAT IS THE STARS @ 9:58 PM,
Very interesting question and one of those concepts that go over my head… don’t know why it’s a trick question.
Still I could pontificate or speculate…
Let me speculate…
In an ideal world Fraudgers and big Pedro would get on like a house on fire. Theyd bring their obvious talents to the table and respect each other’s strengths and weaknesses.
The dynamic duo along with the executive, BRs staff and all the coaches and players would pull together and Celtic would be once again be greater than the sum of its parts and would be very competitive as a third tier European Club.
Nice eh! Of course the world doesn’t work like that.
So it wasn’t up to us to choose, it was up to DD.
He could’ve went with Mr Invincible, double treble or Mr ECA, UEFA, Celtic in the big Euro League.
He choose the latter… time will tell if it was, as it normally is for him, the smart move.
In 2024, if Celtic is part of the ECA/UEFA master Euro master plan… we’re quids in. If not, we can pine a little, cry into our beers and think what could’ve been.
Hail Hail
Chairbhoy, brendon was not a director of football. i agree he added much and it was clear he left good foundations for whoever replaces him, but what that tells me is we need a good manager/ coach doing his stuff. we need good sport, physios, doctors and dieticians, trainers etc… Working in a framework of excellence. The logic of spending 500k on a director of football to act as some sort of link between The football good and financial is not needed. lots of agencies bring in experts to assist and improve as and when needed.
Ps I dont give a monkeys about pl or the board and if we coyld get better for better value then so be it.
HH
WHAT IS THE STARS on 11TH APRIL 2019 9:58 PM
If you could turn back the clock to the end of February are were told that either Brendan Rodgers or Peter Lawwell would have to leave immediately….but it would be your choice as to who would go….who would you choose…
*Hmmm, hindsight is a wonderful thing so the narcissist that walked out on us after 7 trophies or;
Mr “bonus thief/heated driveways who since he’s been in charge of the Gene Tunney at Parkheid not only has us in a healthy financial position but we have won 11 going on 12 Titles, 7 with the possibility of 8 SC and 6 LC.
All of the above includes 2 possibly 3 trebles, 3 possibly 4 doubles and 2 potentially 3 League and League Cup doubles.
….just git aw thum oooot.
Fed up wi these liberal elites talkin’ doon to the likes ay uz.
We shood be flyin’ this plane!
” see me, see Cellic, ………see r’at bored!”
Paul67 “I firmly believe that without the pain of defeat, we cannot experience the full jobs of triumph”.
*I once had a maths prof that said “you can’t appreciate success unless you taste failure” Best piece of advice I was ever given.
America’s greatest living poet and songwriter once wrote “She knows there’s no success like failure and that failure’s no success at all”
At the start of every season I quote that to my players, I have tae explain what it means though.
I was quite bemused when I read “The excitement was high when Jock came but we were not recruiting Helennio Herrera or Miguel Munoz or Matt Busby or Bill Nicholson”.
Dear God we were all over the moon when it was announced Jock was coming back as we were indeed the proverbial sleeping elephant.
Big Billy was thinking of moving on, possibly Spurs who were also looking at the wee mhan, Chopper was looking at moving tae Oz and Sir Bob wanted tae flog the Buzz Bomb tae Falkirk.
Then that magical Monday morning as I’m walking over Balloch Bridge with my da, he pulls the racing section out of the Express and hands me the rest, front page headlines “Celtic appoint their first protestant manager”, I kid you not.
I’m over the moon as we thought we had lost him when he went tae Hibs, my da’s response though was “I hate that scheitd son”, this was in relation tae the ken dodd reference. As long as the Hibbees were still in the cup seemingly Jock would stay at Easter Road, didnae really work out that way in the end.
The Bear had ran amok on the Saturday scoring 5 wearing his sannies in an 8-0 drubbin of the sheep. Did the players know something we didnae.
Jock took over on Monday March 6 two days after his Hibbee team had dumped deidco out of the SC and we had beat the eventual league winners killie 3-2 in an absolutely terrific quarter final at Parkheid.
2 days after Jock was in the manager’s seat we went tae Broomfield winning 6-0, with the Bear again on the score sheet and wee ten thirty with the other 5. What we didnae know at the time that his return was one of the conditions Jock requested before he would be tempted back.
Our League form was a wee bit erratic though but we afforded Jock some leverage, after all we were traditionally a cup team although that although that title seemed a bit dubious due tae recent painful losses tae St Mirren, Dunfermline and deidco twice.
Jock’s first game against 2nd place Hibs 2 weeks after leaving them team resulted in a 2-4 home defeat with a player Jock coveted Neil Martin scoring a hat trick and 5 days later in his first cup tie in charge we came back twice tae earn a draw in a game where big Billy was torn a new one by journeyman striker Joe McGoals.
4 days later in the replay a surprise tactical move saw Stevie replace the wee mhan and we won comfortably to take us intae the final.
I did mention our erratic League form as exactly a week later we went tae Easter Road and gubbed the home side, who had lost tae the Pars in the semis, 4-0 and yet within a week we are being turned over 2-6 at Brockville, that same night the Pars took care of deidco, wisnae looking too good for a cup win, 3 days later another home defeat tae the Harry Wraggs where we were booed off the park, although I didnae hear “Stein Stein GTF” as WGS would 43 year later, we still had faith in the Big Mhan.
Meanwhile we the support were singing “when the bhoys go up to lift the Scottish Cup we’ll be there”. And then that magical day arrived, I distinctly recall seeing grown mhen with tears in their eyes that afternoon.
But what did we do next, oh aye 4 days later we would lose 1-5 at East End Park to the losing cup finalists, so within the space of 5 weeks Jock’s new team had dropped 9 goals to both his old ones.
Not too be finished yet 2 nights later after being a goal down we beat the huns 2-1 in the Glasgow Cup and followed that up with victories over the Bully Wee and Spiders within 11 days tae make that 2 cups in the Parkheid boardroom, a feat never envisioned at New Year never mind the start of the season.
And to cap off a remarkable season he went out and signed Joe McGoals even though the Pars bid more than us for him, Joe refused tae go tae East End Park and sat where he was until the steelmen relented and he was bound for the east end of Glasgow instead.
So there you go, not the greatest of starts tae his Celtic management career and if it hadn’t been for wee ten thirty’s often forgot double, a Charlie Gallagher exquisite corner and big Billy’s bumper, who knows.
And yet we still had some inconsistent games, going down tae Roker Park and gubbin the home side where a former Scotland manager with his new signing the Fife swallower making their debuts but coming back up and losing 2 out of the first 3 LC games as well as the first Glasgow derby of the season where for some reason Joe McGoals had been left out of the team, Jock did admit to making a mistake there. Incidentally in his 3 seasons playing for the high flying Celts Govan lhad Joe never found the net for us against them.
5 weeks after that loss we beat them 2-1 in the LC Final at hunden courtesy of 2 Yogi penalties, Jock’s presence was now being felt as he had added a bit of steel to our side with Billy being a bit tougher, quiet mhan church going Ian Young dumping the Fife ned ontae the running track and less honest mistakes. That game IMHO was the catalyst for the honest NIAR and the Big Cup.
Big Jock coming tae us was a coup, he did beat Mr Cattenachio Herrera in Lisbon who for all his fame and fortune only won 2 ECs and won the Big Cup before Sir Matt although if Munich hadn’t happened who knows and no Tim would have begrudged a man that wanted tae guest for us during WWII only for the board tae turn him down so he went tae Hibs. As for Bill Nick, he never won it with his Bank of England Tottenham side.
Furthermore, after the aforesaid ian mcccoll walked out on the national side during a WC campaign, seems tae be a trend with hun managers, the sfa asked Jock tae take over on an interim basis, we were contesting the League, LC as well as the Cup Winners Cup at the time and yet the Big Mhan almost took his country intae the finals but for late call offs prior tae the decider in Naples.
WITS
If you could turn the clock back to when Ronny Deila left. Would you employ Brendan Rodgers? Knowing what you do now.
I would. It was a worthwhile 30 months.
Tontine Tim
I was quite bemused when I read “The excitement was high when Jock came but we were not recruiting Helennio Herrera or Miguel Munoz or Matt Busby or Bill Nicholson”.
Dear God we were all over the moon when it was announced Jock was coming back as we were indeed the proverbial sleeping elephant
The bemusement might come from my ambiguous statement.
I did state that the support was excited by Jock’s arrival at the time.
I was trying to point out that recruiting a manager from a Provincial club would not satisfy the modern support but that’s where we have usually shopped
Jimmy McGrory & Tommy Burns from Killie
Big Billy from Aberdeen
Davie Hay from Motherwell
It’s a different world now as back then Hibs and Dunfermline had European level teams. Now they recruit from Bosmans in League One and Two in England.
Brendan Rodgers being an ex Premiership manager has given us a an outlier bar against which all future ,material recruitment will look cheap.
Material was managerial when I typed it.
Delaneys
I have absolutely no regrets about Brendans appointment.
I have plenty of regrets about his leaving though.
Back to my question though
Lawwell or Rodgers…
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47678319
Lovely, affectionate, heart-warming story about Real Betis legend Joaquin; a guy who has a love for his club that marks him out as a man-among-mercenaries; he has reinvested 1mill Euros back into club shares. Tho many of my Spanish pals are Sevillistas – and I love the hospitality of their pena – I naturally felt I was a ‘Betico’ due to the colours. Then I learned of their working class roots and the fact their most acclaimed manager was an Irishman, Patrick O’Connell. This weekend in ‘El Gran Derbi’ I know which Andalusian side every Tic fan should follow. And I’m hoping Joaquin has the biggest smile in Spain after the game. HH
Quadorphenian
Patrick O’Connell who was manager when Betis won their only league title started his football career with Dublin based junior club Liffey Wanderers….the only football club mentioned in James Joyces epic novel Ulysses..
Not a lot of people know that
WITS; heard in a Michael Caine voice!
Gracias.
STEPHBHOY @ 10:23,
No, your quite right, he wasn’t, it was just interesting in a press conference in the Summer he declared himself head of football. It was news to me.
Personally I’d like to see us run like Ajax with a Football Club Board running the Club. The executive a different Board dealing with the boring financial and fiduciary stuff.
However that’s not going to happen anytime soon. My problem is how do we resolve the issues like the great strategic idea of the Academy and the great strategic idea of playing 4-2-3-1 that someone, somewhere comes up with and our failure to properly implement these strategies.
Running a PLC properly is very difficult, it needs knowledge, experience and multiple skill-sets.
Yet running operations in a football club is the same, it takes knowledge experience and a different, but just as important set of skill.
…we need a good manager/ coach doing his stuff. we need good sport, physios, doctors and dieticians, trainers etc… Working in a framework of excellence.
Now this is the cruix of the matter yet delivering to a standard, as you say, of excellence, consistently just doesn’t happen. It needs a tight, professional, committed operation to manage this.
We don’t have this at Celtic, that’s why…
Our football team is way behind our European peers
Our Academy (and I know you have a passion for this) is underachieving
Our recruitment is all over the place.
Now you can point to many accomplishments and achievements in all of those categories and Im delighted each time we do that, but the fact is we can be doing so much better and we could be much more consistent.
The Scottish National Team went out with one of its easiest starts to the Euro qualifiers ever. It played two easy games, came back with three points and a negative goal difference, there was the usual snipping and scandal.
Scottish Football is corrupt to the core and incompetent. To measure any success we have in domestic football as “execllence” is kidding ourselves on.
If we want to save money by not employing a good football operations person because it’s Scotland and it’s easy is all well and good, and for the most part we’ll get away with that, but it’s not excellence that we’re seeing, it’s the most lazy type of mediocrity imaginable.
Hail Hail
WITS
6 months ago, my answer would have been Lawwell.
In hindsight, it would be snakehips.
He llo again all you young rebels.
QUADRO
G’day my fellow Aussie based tim, nice wee story that, good luck
tae Joaquin.
Will be coming up your way in the coming weeks, our young bhoys
will be playing the Brighton Ragers in our youth league.
That should be fun.
Wonder if they adopt the same tactics as their counterparts in
Scotia, but it won’t matter if they want a war our bhoys will give them
one big time.
Big day today, heading to the city to meet up with POGMATHONYAHUN
and the weather has turned a little warmer for him and his good lady, a
respectable 25 degs today just hot enough to gub a few Guinness.
If your looking in Pog just making myself pretty so you recognise me 8-))
H.H Mick
MM
Does putting on a Celtic tap, constitute you making yourself pretty? You and my mate Tam will get on like a pair of Tims on Fire.
Pogmahonyahun is a right goodyin. Enjoy
YNWA
MM – the Betis links to the bhoys goes back further, as this site claims their first ever manager studied in Glasgow and fell in love with the Tic and our, then, vertical blanco-y-verde strip:
https://the18.com/soccer-news/real-betis-celtic-kits-history-links
I’d be happy to watch your young hoops roon my way – what date is it anyway?
And yes; 25deg means the motorbike’s coming oot – and heading for the ‘Nongs. HH
DD
You got it in one lol.
H.H Mick
Quadro
Sun 19th may 12 0 clock k.o
We play Sandringham this Sun. another of the establishment teams.
They don’t like our uppity new bhoys who’ve moved up to the A league
from C, some nasty tweets going about what we can expect, but the’re
in for a shock, some of our team have survived the horrors of a real
war and mixed with Scots and Irish blood they wont flinch at anything.
H.H Mick
MM
Sunday a huge step towards a rebel treble.
Here we, here we, here we feckin go!
YNWA