Somewhere on an upper floor at Hampden SFA and SPL high office holders will be mulling over player contracts submitted by Rangers over the last decade, including for players still registered at the club.
They will compare what they have on file with yesterday’s revelations in The Sun. As far as the football authorities are concerned, everything will be in good order if Rangers submitted these side contracts, which featured appearance money, to the league and SFA.
But, if the club submitted these contracts to the football authorities, they would have to declare them to the tax authorities as income.
It would be good to hear from some of the very vocal former directors of Rangers on this subject, especially the one currently president of the SFA.
This matter has nothing to do with Our Hero, remember, who is currently drawing fire away from those who put Rangers into danger in the first place, however, Mr Whyte is wholly responsible for the “public censure” issued to Rangers by the Plus Stock Exchange today. The resultant £50k fine the least of the club’s worries.
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Oldtim @ 13.14
I think games are being played regarding liquidation.
I think it is being mooted to try and force out an offer for the club as a going concern.
Liquidation for a football team means that, from memory, the player contracts revert to the SFA / SPL? Don’t know the exact details but this would take a lot of the value out of the TFOD.
Consequently not likely to my mind.
How much would the TFOD squad make in a fire sale in May / June 2012?
Would you able to squeeze £10mill / £15mill out of the current player roster?
Probably looking at £8mill to see them through until the end of the season.
Halve the wage bill and it would be £5mill.
Income would be limited but they should be able to squeeze £1mill out of the ticket sales and then there is the SPL money to look forward to – close to £3mill for 2nd? – and the various half yearly instalments from sponsors / JJB et al.
The figures look tight so I think the administrators are trying to shake out some short term money or even better an offer from the people sniffing about the TFOD.
Just make sure you don’t do anything to disgrace the good name of Celtic FC at Ibroke next month. Please be sure to observe the one minute’s laughter.
philvisreturns
Congrats for not mentioning that the enslaved benefits folk will be effectively subsidising whichever corporation they are chosen to skivvy for, thus contributing to corporate profits and preventing the hiring of a waged worker to perform their taxpayer-funded role.
Now to me that’s as much reminiscent of 1970s eastern european command economies as it is of Friedmanesque monetarism, no? At the very least it’s indicative of the ideology-busting hamfisted policy-on-the-hoof days we are living in.
But hey, why let the facts get in the way of….
TootingTim off oot
Paul67
What was submited to the SFA is either a sign of the good faith that Rangers had at the time, particularly before usage dropped, that the EBT scheme was acceptable or that they thought it might be dodgy and witheld the side letters.
If all details were provided it suggests Rangers acted in good if misplaced faith in the propriety of the scheme or simply faith that no questions would be asked.
If part of the contract was withheld it suggests Rangers knew what they were about and it was dodgy.
The difference between details supplied by Rangers and supplied by other clubs one would imagine become clear after a few seasons leading to questions being asked, suggesting side letters were witheld, but maybe the only check was that the paperwork was supplied rather than what did it tell the SFA about Rangers methods.
Only an enquiry will provide answers abd what needs to be done in future.
Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!
Folks,
The registration issue will play out only so far and will probably be swept under a liquidated carpet in time. Hope not, but we’ll see.
A wee idea for our possible last trip to ibrokes (apologies in advance if someone else has suggested this before).
We should ask our clubs leaders to offer the huns administrators a few quid (say a million quid – a drop in the ocean of their debt) to purchase all the tickets (50k plus) for our possible last trip there. we could fill the ground with our support and have a wee party. The administrators don’t have to honor their season tickets. The fact that have honored their ST’s so far has surprised many bean counters and lawyers. They would struggle to explain/justify turning down a million quid. Our club could even make a wee profit selling the tickets onto us. I would pay plenty to attend that party. Winning the title there would be nice, but it would be the ultimate humiliation for them having the ground filled by us! We could even agree to pay for the polis who would be happy that no huns would be there. Good idea or not?
If a good idea please email paradise FAO big Peter. Stick the oar in and stir Peter.
tnt- If Craig Thomson is in charge we will get 1 min and 20 secs of laughter.
Noy quite there yet but it’s coming
HMS Dignity sinks
http://i.imgur.com/DDpMo.gif
My eyes are Luvin this big type.
Paul67, could you not make this an optional feature ;¬)
HH
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ says:
27 February, 2012 at 13:48.
Me too.
I’m sure that at the time the device was described as viable which could have caused serious injury or worse.
Árd Macha
mrob1967, 13:20
SDM 79%
Our hero 81%
Only possible if there was a second, special, side form to fill in…
jude2005
It doesn’t sound that good, but I understand that sending an explosive device or something purporting to be such a device makes the offense complete. In other words, sending a thing that looks like a device and is intended to betaken as suchnis enough.
HH
twists n turns says:
27 February, 2012 at 13:36
np. I miss the podium cos i cannae spell “can it be?” correctly at first time of asking , then you forget about me . All I need now is to discover that i’ve been a recipient of the GA EBT and didn’t know about it and Mrs Sanna has cleared out the loan account !
Down in laandaan today but still jcge .
Jelly and Ice Cream tonight , courtesy of the Ethorpe hotel , Gerrards Cross .
HH
Sanna
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS – Thank you.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the execution of this workfare scheme was the usual farcical mess that results when government tries to do something well-intentioned.
But they are at least trying something positive to tackle youth unemployment, by giving people the chance to gain some experience. The idea behind it is a good one.
At the very worst, the people on these schemes shouldn’t have lost anything from participating in them (except time they could have spent in front of the TV), and at the very best, they might secure a permanent job at the end of it.
I would guess that the majority of participants will at least benefit from keeping in the rhythm of working life: sitting at home day after day can very quickly debilitate a person’s confidence and lead to habits that further damage their chances of getting out of the benefits trap.
And yet people are seriously describing this scheme as slavery, with all sorts of hysterical and vituperative language being hurled at the government, as well as at anybody who defends this scheme.
The old municipal motto of Coatbridge is “laborare est orare”.
I believe those words are still true today.
If you think back to the historic working class struggle for the right to work, it’s astonishing that we’re now faced with self-appointed tribunes of the people campaigning for a right to be idle while collecting benefits. (thumbsup)
font size gone huge again!
Mad Mitch
Welsh Bhoy
Erring on the cautious side the following needs to be taken into account.
The development of the current licencing regime that is codified in UEFA FFP 2010 began in 2007 with the Ivo Belet report on the Future of Professional Football in Europe.
Its intent was to curb some of the issues that were damaging the game.
It has brought a level of rigour and robustness to the scene, which whilst always needed, was absent in the required form before 2010.
That does not mean rules were ignored before then, just that we need to know what rules applied in each licencing year since 2000 to get a true feel for how they were adhered to (or ignored) at the time each licence was approved.
I still suspect skullduggery but knowing how scrupulous the SFA have been in the past when asked why a decision was reached, they will argue on the literal interpretation rather than the underlying principle.
Ayn Rand Groupie / right wing dog boiling mentalist @ 13.33
There is nothing worse than some middle class privately educated ignoramus coming over all smug and self satisfied regarding “Workfare” or neo slavery as it will soon come to be known regarding what should be done with the poor, the sick and the unemployed.
You offer the kind of home spun kitchen table philosophy thar even yer Granny would disown and claim the moral high ground regarding the benefits of gainful employment to the soul.
So far so Sunday Post but what about the real world?
What about the exploitative nature of the programme as it has worked out?
What about the benefits the middle class running it have generated for themselves?
What about the labour / wage savings the corporations have worked out the system?
What about the political benefits that the establishment have made for themselves?
The global economy has come close to disaster and you want to kick the poor that we bit harder – you really are on the ball – millionaire bankers wreck the financial system and you want to put a flame to the feet of the sick and the vulnerable?
Straight out of central casting.
Right wing dog boiler with no grasp of reality outside their own gilded cage.
One thing is for sure your old man had no compunction in taking money of the poor and the unemployed to pay for your private school eduction.
What a hypocrite.
What a walloper.
Away an thro’ s*ite at yersel ya rocket.
PS
As for the economics, I’m sure Ladybird have a book that will help you understand what is going on in the real world.
Auld Neil Lennon Heid ——
Were Rangers attempting to disguise how they were remunerating players and agents ?
Were Rangers remunerating players and agents in the here and now rather than waiting for later ?.
WAS EBT money going directly to players and their agents.?
What were The SFA told ? What did the SFA see ? What did the SFA do in respect of the necessary due diligence etc ?.
Iddlebleedgreenandwhite
sorry cant post it sizes all over the place
Paul something is going on.
Afternoon CQN , the clock is counting down to the Treble or liquidation or hopefully both,
picked these stats of the SPL web page , make good reading and reflect the run of form that has taken us to 10 + 10 points clear
SPL stats 2011/12 Facts and figures for the season so far:
Most consecutive wins 17 – Celtic
Longest unbeaten run 20 – Celtic
Longest run without conceding 6 – Celtic
Biggest home win Celtic 5-0 St Mirren, 26/11/11
Biggest away win Hibernian 0-5 Celtic, 19/02/12
Most shut-outs 19 – Celtic
Top scorers
16 Gary Hooper (Celtic)
14 Nikica Jelavic (for Rangers in Admin)
14 Jon Daly (Dundee United)
11 Michael Higdon (Motherwell)
11 Francisco Sandaza (St Johnstone)
10 Anthony Stokes (Celtic)
WELSH BHOY 1355
I canny live that far away from you,being in Swindon,fast train to Cardiff and Swansea,etc.
Stay where you are,I’ll be round shortly for some of that magic stuff yer ingesting. It must be brilliant!
These big lets are NICE!!! <0)
maybe the rangers administrators should take a wee look at this back to work scheme or whatever its called
this time next week they may have some pegs to fill in the home dressing room.
Paul67
Getting an error message when I click to buy the mag.
Any alternative routes of purchase ?
pigalle
TBB@13:24
Even better
If anyone gets on to SSB tonight, ask ‘The Weave’ about the ‘Love’ connection to Ibrox
When the truth gets out, the ‘cheeky chappie’ will also be in the firing line
twists n turns
“don’t do anything to disgrace the good name of Celtic FC at Ibroke next month”.
You’re hopefully! ;o)
Then again they might be letting it out for parties by then!
HH
/Bishop B
Larrybhoy @ 13:37
Yes, good thinking. And ideally at a time when the rest of us are partying, making the streets that little bit safer. If the timing is right, it’ll save the polis some head-hunting time as well, as there will be many many people they want to question for several different offences, big fish and little fish so to speak :D
ibleedgreenandwhite1 says:
27 February, 2012 at 13:34
Kittoch says:
27 February, 2012 at 13:29
Murdo Macleods answer to Hately is worth a read in the Record
I dont buy any papers m8,what did Murdo say ????
Hateley’s tainted title talk is absolute nonsense
By Murdo MacLeod on Feb 27, 12 06:25 AM in celtic
I DON’T make a habit of disagreeing with my fellow columnists on Record Sport but I can’t let Mark Hateley away with saying Celtic will be accepting a tainted title this season.
That’s absolute nonsense. I sat in an apartment in Florida yesterday and watched Rangers win in far away Inverness, which means they are 20 points behind Celtic in what used to be called the title race.
A quick piece of mental arithmetic would remind you – even dismissing the 10-point deduction Ally McCoist’s side suffered for their club going into administration – the league was galloping towards Celtic Park in any case.
And if Celtic supporters have taken to expressing their delight over that fact then what else were they supposed to do? I was Celtic’s assistant manager under Wim Jansen when the club had to negotiate the toughest championship of all, the one that would determine whether Rangers made history by becoming the first side to win 10-in-a-row.
I had played for Celtic for nine years and was steeped in the Old Firm tradition. I fully understood the implications of a title win for Ibrox and the new players who had come into our dressing room, such as Henrik Larsson, were quickly brought up to speed on what our fans would go through if this happened.
Being the first club to win nine-in-a-row was a proud distinction for Celtic. It would have had an awful impact on the club’s history to have had that distinction become an irrelevance because Rangers had gone one better.
There were supporters who came up to me on day one of my management role to implore me not to let that happen. And there are Celtic fans who tell me 14 years later how much it meant to them to win the title on the last day of the season by beating St Johnstone.
It might have been a nervy day but that only added to the joyous nature of the celebrations.
That’s why nothing will be tainted for the Celtic fans when this championship’s won by Neil Lennon’s team.
They are currently watching the best side in the division and there’s no way anything’s been handed to Celtic. The points deduction imposed on Rangers under SPL regulations has been rendered meaningless – Celtic play a brand of football nobody else can come close to.
And the championship would be made all the sweeter for the fans if their team could win every game up until the point where the title is a mathematical certainty.
Celtic supporters have been on the receiving end of stick for years and they’re going to enjoy this moment for as long as they can.
They will think about the consequences of Rangers’ financial difficulties and whatever effect it might yet have on Scottish football in general, when the time comes. And that will be after their title-winning party.
Celtic could be on the threshold of a treble and their supporters have the right to celebrate their team’s achievements.
Neil’s expressed his sympathy for Ally because fellow managers understand the problems he’s having to endure – while Rangers have to endure fresh revelations on a daily basis.
I’ve already stated I don’t think it would be right for any titles previously won by Rangers to be taken away from them by the football authorities because I don’t believe they were won on the back of any taxation issues.
But I won’t accept this title win is tainted. Rangers had a great start to the season and then you could draw a line under their good form. Celtic went on a super run – and could be four league wins from winning the championship.
No-one can take anything away from a team as good as the one Celtic have at the moment.
And no-one should have sympathy for the men who left Ibrox players worried about job security and fans distressed about their club’s future.
Philvis.
It is NOT an echo of the right to work,neither is it “kids nowadays” throwing two fingers in the air to an insistence that they show a willingness to get back into the workplace.
With the greatest of respect to people who are gainfully employed by companies who utilised this scheme,those companies knew fine well that they were getting free labour in a post which required minimal if any training.
I’ve been unemployed,I’m quite sure most of us on here have.
The last thing ANYONE who is having their self-esteem battered f..k out of is to be treated like that.
How is that supposed to prepare anyone for a return to the workplace,much less provide them with the self-confidence to successfully negotiate an application form and a series of interviews?
I observe with some amusement today that one of the world’s largest companies is getting in on our party.
The latest release of Google’s Android OS is known as “Ice Cream Sandwich”. Those bhoys at Google are rascals….
Have a lovely day.
hh
bjmac
In the event that a lorry load of three-nil defeats come to pass,
does that wipe out goals scored from the likes of Kris Boyd,
Jelavic, and others in the record books ?
So many questions…….
pigalle
ibleed
Did he really use the word enemy??
pigalle
Whats that abt 3 nil defeats?
If the abounding roumers about forthcoming liquidation are true then in the interests of KARMA I ask – no, I beg – the administrators Please Please Please wait until after we go and “kick them in the bollocks” at Mordor.
Anyone else think that unless seriously protected by the MC and call filters that Duffield will inadvertently, as is his way, seriously land lots and lots of people right in it tonight?
Paul67 says:
27 February, 2012 at 13:13
If certain rules regarding player registration have been found to be broken
then this should be the outcome for the rulebreakers, or rangers as they
used to be known.
However, don’t hold yer breath, amigo.
pigalle
South Of Tunis says:
27 February, 2012 at 13:37
Fashion in fine style is that a reggae comp??
Smith and Mighty must be well worth a re-visit..
Currently listening to Robert Glasper Experiment Black Radio…classy..
SP
Lyrics request….
What was the song GB were singing on sat?
I see Celtics star is rising…
B t
I always go for the bigger SPL, or under 21s, or even the price of fish lol. Then hit them with ouch one. lol
Sorry, Paul, that last thing was for
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ says:
27 February, 2012 at 14:21
havn a totlly duff typnig day at office so I am
pigalle