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Shadow of Prodan, Jullien a different type of project

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From what I see in photographs, Christopher Jullien, who completed his transfer to Celtic this morning, is 8’6”, chiselled, and already filling the Celtic Park tunnel.  We needed at least one central defender, so I am delighted he is in so early in the transfer window.

Second observation (after his stature): he is not a ‘project’, or at least, he’s an older and more expensive project than we normally buy.  We will continue to sign players for less than €8m, but there is also value in this space.  If this is the new norm, it is where we should be aiming.

Christopher will join Kristofer as our top central defender pairing, but we lost Boyata and Benkovic, so there remains a gap in the squad – perhaps one for a more traditional looking ‘project’.

The shadow of Daniel Prodan lingers in Scottish football.  Prodan was a £2.2m Rangers signing in 1998, but whatever was done at his medical, a knee injury was not diagnosed.  The player never played a game for the club, which was so chastened, it passed up the chance to sing John Hartson a year later.  Hartson had a perfectly good knee, which had recovered from an earlier operation.  Hartson went on to do well elsewhere, including against Rangers, who, having bought Prodan, lost Hartson, then punished by Hartson, were cursed by a unique treble.

Two years ago Celtic signed South African central defender, Rivaldo Cotzee, subject to a medical, which he failed, due to a knee injury.  The player has played only a dozen games since, all in South Africa.

What do we know about knee injuries?  Sometimes they get better, sometimes they don’t.  David Turnbull must now wait for the outcome of an operation next week, which will determine his future in the game.  Let’s hope he makes a full recovery; he was certainly a player I looked forward to seeing at Celtic.

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  1. Fool Time Whistle on

    Ah the world of professional footballers where gagging orders always prevail.

     

     

    This is laughable nonsense.

     

     

    Football is the worst “industry” for leaks, tapping, feeding the media & a hundred other ways to plant stories.

     

     

    There is NO evidence that Keiran Tierney has asked for a transfer, but that in & of itself is a phrase from a pre-Bosman era when player registrations were retained idefinitely by clubs.

     

     

    The phrase is still used by the media but the reality is that contracts run out or are renewed. Ask PC Lustig.

     

     

    There is also zero evidence that KT is against a transfer – he has steadfastly refused to say so in the media. If he was determined to remain at Celtic the solution is entirely with him.

     

    Further the club have refused to deny that he is attracting interest. In fact, as we all know, the manager implied that all players have their value to the club.

     

    There are also zero signs that the club & the players are at loggerheads over this situation.

     

     

    For me, both realize that they will both gain considerably if the club valuation is met,

     

    KT will be a millionaire & the club have gained 20 miliion or so for development & team building.

     

     

    The length of his contrcat is irrelevant as a deterrent for him moving. It simply means that Celtic have greater leverage over the size of the fee, rather than if he only had one year left. In fact, some might suggest that by signing a five year contract last year that KT did the club a favour – if he kinew that he would always want to move to the EPL when his stock was high enough.

     

     

    This is not the nasty club directors seling a player behind his back. This is the modern football world where on this occasion both club & player work together to secure the optimum outcome for both of them. If the valuation is not met he will remain a Celtic player – but, regardless, he will always be a Tim.

     

     

    HH

  2. Canamalar

     

     

    What if it was the other way around?

     

     

    KT was aware there was interest (agents always know) and asked to be kept informed?

     

     

    He’s still not sure if he wants to leave or if he wants to leave now? But he does want to know what his options are?

     

     

    The club does not have the power.

     

     

    Bobo Balde showed that

     

    Dirk Boerigter showed that

     

    Marvin Comperr showed that

     

    Scott Allen showed that.

     

     

    The club made it clear that they did not want to keep paying them. All of them told the club to sod off.

     

     

    KT has the same power but people feel more comfortable stating he is being sold against his wishes.

     

     

    Just like John McGinn chose Villa just cos PL had not moved early enough. Just like Yaya Toure wanted a move from City because his birthday cake wasn’t big enough.

     

     

    You either want to stay at/come to Celtic or you don’t.

     

     

    It does not make you a bad person if you choose not to.

     

     

    But please, a player being hawked against his wishes in the post-bowman era???

     

     

    The Band is playing “Believe it or not”

  3. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    The huddle,

     

    Just another example of the lengths they’ll go to to chase a player out the door, they wouldn’t let GS select him our number one center half, demonstrated their money before team philosophy.

  4. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 28TH JUNE 2019 11:03 PM

     

    Big George…,

     

     

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    Yup – you’re possibly right.

     

     

    Although maybe Arsenal are trying to unsettle KT to induce Celtic to accept a figure below the release clause (if, as you say, there is one in the contract).

     

     

    Murky business.

     

     

    However, gladly the fallback position is that, if KT doesn’t want to go, he doesn’t have to. That said, I do take the point that knowing the employer wanted you to leave wouldn’t be conducive to a happy working relationship.

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  5. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 28th June 2019 11:08 pm

     

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    But also an example of where the player has the power

  6. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    SFTB,

     

    As a psychologist what’s your take on the last question I asked you, I am genuinely interested, do you think it would break his heart to be told by the Plc that he should move on ?

  7. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Big George..,

     

    KT has no say in accepting the release clause that’s a Plc decision it’s up to them to accept an offer then tell KT they have accepted and it’s up to him to negotiate his deal.

  8. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Fool Time….,

     

    So you reckon KT would go against his counteract with the team he loves playing for, I can see why you want rid of him.

  9. Canamalar

     

     

    Of course, it would be discouraging to be told you were no longer wanted. You don’t need to be a psychologist to get that.

     

     

    However, if you are resilient, and I guess KT is, then a Board or CEO wanting you gone is nowhere near the end of it.

     

     

    If your team mates want you and your fans want you and you have a long term contract, then they cannot force you out.

     

     

    What is more likely is that KT wants to be kept informed of who is after him so that he can stay or go, as he pleases and when he pleases (hence my referencing of Balde, Boerigter etc;)

     

     

    Unless you or I are a confidante of KT (and I am not) then all these versions are likely. KT is a young man but he is not stupid and he has good advisers. I seriously doubt he gives 2 flying ones what PL thinks he should do? Do you?

  10. all this hearsay from the msm can be put to bed by KT in a jiffy , does he want to go or is he getting pushed.

  11. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    The huddle,

     

    I’ve no said he does not have the power, I’m saying for a bhoy the loves the club so much, being told he should accept an offer and go would be like being rejected and if its the case that’s how he feels then he’d most likely move on just to help the club. Therefore exploiting his loyalty too.

     

    I also expect he would be told it’s the best move for his career and he’d be welcome back as a Bosman if he wanted but he’d have to take a major drop in wages.

  12. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 28TH JUNE 2019 11:18 PM

     

    Big George..,

     

    KT has no say in accepting the release clause that’s a Plc decision it’s up to them to accept an offer then tell KT they have accepted and it’s up to him to negotiate his deal.

     

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    I’ll have to bow to you on that one – as I said, I have only a presumtive understanding – I had assumed that, if it is a contractual matter, then all parties would have to agree those matters in advance.

     

     

    The alternative – that the PLC can of themselves decide whether, or at what level of offer, they allow other parties to speak to players – would seem to be something that the player’s Agent would advise against when neotiating the contract.

     

     

    Still though – if the club accepts – it is still up to KT to negotiate (and to decide whether to negotiate) – notwithstanding that his feelings might well be influenced if he felt he was being ‘encouraged’ out the door.

     

     

    I hope KT doesn’t want to leave – I’d be happier if I heard him say that.

     

     

    HH

     

    BGFC

  13. Greenwells Glory on

    Hi Ghuys, Salve salve;-

     

    Keiran Tierny , £ 25 Mil ? seriously ? Nobody see his performance against Man City ? Anyone who has eyes can see this young man is an exceptional player, If Peter the bonus eater even con template letting this boy go for such a paltry sum then his heated driveway should become a part of his anatomy.

     

    I think KT will move on , I think it is a natural progression but not this season, I think he will want to regain complete fitness and remain for a while yet.

     

    Greenwells.

     

     

    Homines quod volunt credunt.

  14. There’s SFTB who’s surprised about being labelled a board lover sticking up for Peter Lawwell YET AGAIN ?

     

     

    Hope you enjoyed the glorious sunshine today my friend.

  15. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    SFTB,

     

    We are straying from the original discussion, too many people like yourself are supporting his transfer. The tone for the last few weeks has grown into, how much rather than if, that is my main point.

     

    I said using simple logic that if there is no transfer request and the Plc are accepting offers then the Plc are wanting him to go, if they are making it known they are accepting offers then they are hawking and by that I mean actively encouraging offers.

  16. It wouldn’t be the close season withoooot the odd hun agitating the Celtic support……….as a general rule meeja hundom likes unsettling our best players, yeah? Timposters agitate the support using platforms like this.

     

     

    Be it the meeja or Timposters their objektive is consistently the same.

     

     

    Sit back and laugh bhoys. Imagine their rage at our success.

     

     

    HH

  17. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Big George..,

     

    You sparked a thought there, I am now firmly believe there is/was no release clause in KTs contract since his wages are not commensurate with a player who is valued above £20M, we’ve been getting tidbits about how the value and wages are linked.

     

    Also now I think on it more, KT accepted a wage structure for four years, I’d like to think he’d be happy with that and not get his head turned at least until 10, I very much doubt he’d willingly go anywhere else during such an important era in the clubs history.

  18. Maybe KT has handed in a transfer request?? Sure I made that up, but it might be true, as true as some other posts on here, but still true in a truth sort of way :O)

  19. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    I’m no convinced KT will move on but when I read so many happy to take the money over the player I can’t help how that would affect his thinking if he was reading it.

  20. quadrophenian on

    THE_HUDDLE on 28TH JUNE 2019 9:20 PM

     

    I think your take is an honest appraisal of a gutsy, rugged, lung-bustin’, mature young footballer…who has inevitable game flaws which, to me, appear in defensive heading and occasional positional lapses. Still and all, I think he’s ripe for an EPL step-up (coaching, competition, challenges); it would help really polish his game, only if HE wants it.

  21. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Seriously, the best thing for the player is what the player wants to do and if he wants to improve his game then England is the lowest of four options IMO, Spain, Germany, Italy would all be better for his game. His bank balance however is another ball game.

  22. The big bad EPL – last years CL winners and runners up previous year and that wasn’t even Man City. The other big 5 leagues are graveyards

  23. Why does being a supporter cloud a rational judgement?

     

     

    Joe Arribo, looks a good player and if this 20K a week 300 grand ragtag signed for us i can confidently predict these pages would be full of hope.

     

     

    Here’s a list that posters continually say we’ve got him and we’ve got him and him yet for next season i don’t think any will be 1st team Celtic players with over 20 starts.

     

     

    Kouassi

     

    Morgan

     

    Arzani

     

    Bayo

     

    Atchison

     

    Oko Flex

     

    Gutman

     

    Perez

     

     

    Not one of these guys has done anything to show they’ll make a telling contribution next season, wouldn’t rely on any of them and with the exception of Kouassi who has been really unlucky, are not good enough, atm, imo. You can’t have it both ways.

     

    Arribo looks to have strengthened the Huns 11 the rest have strengthened they’re squad.

     

     

    Atm we are weaker and Julien is most welcome with hopefully Shved as proper 1st team starters.

     

    More Julien standard please Celtic.

  24. Canamlar

     

     

    I’d tell them to ram their 25M, way under priced, if the deal goes through, I hope we get to the real truth, whatever that may be.

  25. Sid

     

     

    “There’s SFTB who’s surprised about being labelled a board lover sticking up for Peter Lawwell YET AGAIN”

     

     

    Was that what I was doing? Thank God I’ve got you to interpret for me or I’d never be able to get a point across at all :-)

     

     

     

    Canamalar

     

     

    “I said using simple logic that if there is no transfer request and the Plc are accepting offers then the Plc are wanting him to go, if they are making it known they are accepting offers then they are hawking and by that I mean actively encouraging offers.”

     

     

    And I merely pointed out that those multiple “ifs” leave room for an alternative interpretation and that neither you nor I know which is true.

     

     

    KT is more than welcome to stay with Celtic but, if (there’s that word again) he goes, he will have chosen to go. Peter Lawwell can’t make him go, anymore than he could make Boerigter, Allen or Comperr go, or make Paccini , Castagne or McGinn come.

     

     

    Thank God, Celtic are back playing tomorrow!

     

     

    A 2nd Division Austrian team and more first team players should be making an appearance.

     

     

    Goodnight all