It appears that the so-called spivs are once again the only people likely to put their hands in their pockets to fund the coming season’s shortfall at Newco Rangers. There has been a campaign for much of this year to drive the club into the gutter, although on this occasion no one has accused Celtic fans, the SFA, HMRC or various imaginary enemies of acting in an underhand manner. These moves were all the work of formerly loyal Rangers men, who wanted ownership of Newco on the cheap, or some kind of influence thereafter.
The ‘spivs’ have not been intimidated or been blackmailed into handing over the club to hostile forces. Instead they are prepared to invest again, stay the course and see a return on their money.
‘Spivs’ is an unnecessarily pejorative term but if money comes in from the variety of hedge funds and offshore entities it will not be a gift. Neither was the initial investment of £5.5m, or the subsequent monies raised at the IPO.
It’s too late to complain about who owns the club, or that a collection on wealthy fans could have bought the assets of Rangers on the cheap when Charles Green stepped in. Campaigns to undermine the club will not bring about a dramatic change, they will only weaken an already painfully weak entity.
Two years ago someone inside the game told me ‘the Rangers you know are dead, whether they phoenix or not.’ The outfit which exists now will forever be a bit-part player, which even Dave King recognises is an untenable commercial proposition.
Remember, Tommy Gemmell, Bertie Auld and John Hughes will be signing copies of their books at the Celtic Store in Argyle St from 1pm until 4pm on Saturday. Take a camera.
And before that, Bertie Auld will be live on CQN from 1pm this Friday. Expect anecdote overload.
Visit the CQN Bookstore to get Tommy Gemmell to sign your personal copy of his tome, All the Best.
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/independent-scotland-may-keep-pound
SOAL
Rochdale?
HT
BBQ is in place and all we need is the weather.Ah,knew there was a snag.
italiabhoy
21:41 on 11 June, 2014
Thanks for the measured response and will consider this along with the other issues. As I said in my first post this evening I prefer to read and contribute to footballing matters. I will no revert to doing so and will scroll on by posts relating to the independence debate.
I will make my decision objectively. Thanks again.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
craigellachie10
21:23 on 11 June, 2014
TOSB
Fair enough and I expected that reaction. My real point is that I don’t think that either side can say with any certainty what the financial implications will be. There are far too many variables including political decisions which depend on future elections. I would just rather have those decisions taken closer to home.
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I can see positives and negatives on both sides of the divide. It is attractive that the decision makers will be just up the road, but wait a minute aren’t the decision makers who gave us the OB Act, who thought that it was a spiffing idea to invest ordinary coppers with the power to decide what constitites an offensive remark or action and who lost/ deliberately destroyed government statistics which showed that Catholics, although a minority, were 6 times as likely to be assaulted by non-catholics not only in the West of Scotland but in every part of Scotland.
I think you underestimate the importance of finance and how much it matters in people’s lives. It may have been a throw away line from you about the importance of £20 per week. Trust me that amount of money will decide how many people vote. I wouldn’t like to predict how the vote will go but I will vote for what I perceive to be the best interests of my family. To me money will be the most important factor.
About three weeks ago, a guy came round the doors in the area where I live, middle class with a lot of elderly people living off pension, conducting a survey on behalf of the Yes campaign. My wife answered the door and answered his questions. She got the distinct impression that the survey hadn’t given him the answers he was hoping for not only from her but in the area as a whole.
ItaliaBhoy
21:41 on
11 June, 2014
Lots of people -especially on the left – will be in for an almighty shock should Scotland vote Yes.
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Aye but your forgetting about the zillions & zillions of barrels of oil that lay waiting for someone to claim. Its all in the white paper so it is a fact. To believe other wise means you an orange unionist Scots hating member of the BNP don’t ya know.
Frankie bhoy still saying No to horrendous Celtic kits
TnT
I see the prices are up on Mr Maynard for tomorrow – just got it at 14/1 on bet365
Fingers crossed ;-)
Cheers,
BJM.
And another thing, our new away strip is appalling. It bears no resemblence to the club’s historical kits, and is more like something you’d wear on the golf course or at Christmas time than on a football pitch.
Our away kit should be:
1. White shirt.
2. Stonking big green four-leaf clover on the breast
3. Green shorts.
4. Green/white hooped socks.
Players should also brylcreem their hair in a sensible side parting, and sport a pipe if the occasion demands.
Billy Boy
21:46 on 11 June, 2014
‘Ireland has a lower rate and has benefited greatly from this policy….’
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As its economy shows.
Lennybhoy,
You’re welcome.
Hail Hail e Forza Azzurri!
turkeybhoy
21:47 on 11 June, 2014
A “Yes”vote,might not give Scotland a paradise to live in.It might.Even if it were 50/50,it would be preferable to 100% rule from Westminster.
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Turkeybhoy
Very well articulated!
an tearmann
21:44 on 11 June, 2014
Indeed we might…:)
Meeting blantyretim and OldTim Friday for a wee drink in the BV, you be near?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Billy Bhoy 05
21:46 on
11 June, 2014
ernie lynch
21:38 on 11 June, 2014
stebhoy
21:35 on 11 June, 2014
‘An independent Scotland doesn’t mean we could not forge mutually beneficial Partnerships with England and any other country for that matter.’
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And you think pegging corporation tax at 3% below their level would be conducive to that objective?
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Ireland has a lower rate and has benefited greatly from this policy….
Even a visit from auld Betty
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Really Ireland has benefited greatly – Ireland is financially fecked – so much for the low corporation tax, aye that really helps.
ernie lynch
19:45 on
11 June, 2014
quonno
19:43 on 11 June, 2014
‘No psychotic zealots in the yes camp then.’
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I see no evidence of an equivalent of the cybernats.
Really Ernie.So the “Yes”camp histrionics that Independence would set back Cancer research,that we would not be able to withstand Alien attacks,are all sane and perfectly feasible arguments.Get your head out off your @rse.
Billybhoy05.
A remarkable post this
” good question which I don’t have an answer for, and it is much worse imo than 50 years ago.
I remember the 12th of July march and that was that, although I could be wrong.
Now we have a marching season that goes on for months and causes massive inconvenience and trouble is often the result as the drunken hordes run rampage.”
Having spent so long on this site telling us how much Scotland has progressed vis a vis sectarianism. Here you are saying the opposite.
Can you even live with your self?????
http://descrier.co.uk/politics/man-bets-400000-scotland-voting-independence/
He is confident , but im voting yes !
ItaliaBhoy,
The occasional pipe however no facial hair on any account.
Don’t get me started on tattoos!
DannyFoxScarredMe.csc
Turkeybhoy
21:55 on 11 June, 2014
The discussion was about the guttersnipe tactics of personal bullying and intimidation used by the cybernats, (not unlike the huns).
But carry on as you are, you’re doing a great job.
‘Experts generally agree that the first two years of a cat’s life are equal to 25 human years. After that, every three months is said to be a year.’
-so cats are from Sevco, Dogs are from Sirius.
TOSD
I completely appreciate your view and more importantly your right to express it. How everyone votes is entirely up to the individual and each will have their own reasons, I have given you a flavour of mine and you have given yours. The most important thing g as far as I am concerned is that the morning after the referendum we all wake up and get together to make the result work for all of us whatever it might be.
Btw I think that the OB Bill is an outrageous piece of legislation, however the ST does not have a monopoly on outrageous legislation Westminster has passed its share.
scotlands shame
21:34 on 11 June, 2014
Im sick of the school boy politics surrounding this ref. My family at the moment have a reasonable standard of living. Not rich not poor but comfortable. I need to be convinced to put my family stability at risk. However i see petty arguments so far. It cannot be reasonable to say vote yes as have Tory rule in west minister. For most of my voting life been labour govt, is the campaign for yes so weak that were labour still in power i should vote no? To counter same argument i have never voted snp yet that is govt in Scotland so by logic i should vote no.
I am also sick of those with different opinion facing aggression from yes voters. Vue cinema show no advert an yes voters out calling boycott. B&q owner does same an boycott called again. J k rowling? Same again. Is this how we Will treat those with different opinions in an independent Scotland?
I need facts. Will i have to pay more tax. Will prices go up. Will my wage match increases or Will my standard of living fall? How Will my pension be affected? If tax not goin up how are we paying for everything in country. Will popular policies like free prescription, bus fares for pensioners last more than 5 yrs an if so how Will they be financed?
I don’t want abuse, i don’t want jingoistic clap trap, i don’t want patronized bout Tories who may or may not be in power next election.
I am anti monarchy dislike the butchers flag immensely an describe myself as Scottish not British. I see how devolution works just now an for my family we are doin ok, for their future i need answers to these questions b4 risking my families future on a maybe an a why not an lets see how it goes.
I don’t want abuse, answers wud be nice, can yes voters help me out here without petty name calling or rubbishing me for wanting info an answers b4 deciding what to do based on what’s best for my family.
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I am in a very similar position to yourself and share exactly the same anxieties as you have expressed. I’ve also asked the same questions as you have and while some posters have made earnest attempts to address them, I have been given few answers which reassure me. At the moment, I see it as a huge gamble.
Just back from Burghbhoy juniors induction evening at St Margaret’s academy , Livingston.
The choir sung Lenny’s song…. Something inside so strong …… Just brilliant.
Thanks Neil
Frank Ryan’s Whiskey
21:40 on
11 June, 2014
It`s all a matter of taste,and if your`s is Frank Ryan`s Whiskey,then I`m not surprised we disagree.
P.S.Does the “e” in whiskey explain your disaffection with tartan?
:-)
setting free the bears supports Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
20:12 on
11 June, 2014
I wonder how our right wing group will react to their blue eyed boy’s latest tweet. And what does it mean for the Yes/No Vote?
Tony Watt’s tatoo enters the Indie Debate
First time I saw this pic I thought right away it was a dig at the huns.Their new sponsors are 32 Red.Looks pretty obvious to me.Maybe its my effed up head.
You don’t have to be crazy to play crazy golf, but it helps
Until we meet again…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
ItaliaBhoy
20:31 on
11 June, 2014
Nats constantly say a Yes vote is not a vote for Salmond…
But in the same breath, they assure us a No vote is a vote for Cameron.
Can’t have it both ways…
Maybe not a vote for Cameron,but a vote for whoever England wants to vote for.65 million of them.
Can you see the difference.
Can’t do link to Tony Watts new tattoo
But I wonder if the BOLD Tony has seen sevcos new third strip with
32 RED across the front of it.
Oh and its red.
That will get the nightshift talking
Wish I wasn’t barred from FF or I would start a rumour
…….the fans came in their thousands….
Turkeybhoy
I must be in the same smoking shop as you
: > )
P think France might make the semis. My best outside tip for the WC.
Turkeybhoy
22:06 on 11 June, 2014
Well they’ll be controlling interest rates, the rate of corporation tax and fiscal policy generally anyway if we leave the UK, won’t they?
Turkeybhoy
That was a magic post! :)
My four children are voting for the first time, so are most of their friends. Yes from all of them. This is an offer of independence without war! No brainer. YES please.
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy
22:01 on
11 June, 2014 and scotlands shame
As a very interested expat,I have to say that with Independence,you may well be voting for a pig in a tartan poke.
Lennybhoy
Cant make it on friday am busy,no to worry,will no doubt meet.hope you made a bob wi tips :-)
Need to head off now ktf as you say
Night Celtic
HH
Bet done
Argentina to win with aguero top scorer
Lookin forward to it now
B-)
Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar
21:23 on
This really is confusing me as it’s up to clubs to self certificate the safety of their stadia. Just ask GCC if you want clarification on the issue. Safety at Stadia is covered by Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds
http://www.safetyatsportsgrounds.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/green-guide.pdf
I have spoken to JP Taylor re this issue and am very unhappy with the responses I have had from the club. Either someone is blocking this from GCC , the Police etc or the club have abandoned it. The statement from the club says nothing and is strangly very vauge on the reasons for a safe standing area not being introduced.
Burghbhoy
Glad to hear about your bhoy new school,I have heard through the grapevine it is the best school in the area.
I am sure he will be a credit to it.HH