It will make little difference to those who really should be paying attention. Malcolm Murray left the Rangers International board yesterday with a statement to fans unlike anything previously heard from a departing director of a Scottish football club. His warning is loud and clear, “Events of the last year have seen behaviour that would make the late, great, Bill Struth spin in his grave (no, he doesn’t mean the fact that all faiths are now employed at Ibrox)”.
It’ll make little difference because the groundwork has already been laid to ignore anything Malcolm Murray says by those who in previous years did the bidding of David Murray, Craig Whyte and Charles Green. Notions of having a club “run by men of the highest integrity” don’t fit the narrative, talk of “mysterious individuals” will not be heard.
We’re now watching the equivalent of the opening scenes of Police Academy 4, the same farce will unfold with increasingly less interest from the wider world.
I know lots of good Celtic fans, lots and lots of them. Respect today to those who buy Overseas Season Tickets, meaning they can attend five games per season, but they buy tickets to 16 games for underprivileged supporters.
We are part of a genuinely incredible body of people. Stories like this simply don’t happen elsewhere. If you’re part of ‘the programme’, well done.
Just checked, Police Academy 4 was subtitled ‘Citizens on Patrol’. If only!!
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They Just Don’t Make Wummen Like This Any More…..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10171897/Nadezhda-Popova.html
NotKitalbaHistoryNews CSC
MadraRua
Tom Malone’s I remember when the Malones had a small pub on the other side of the street just up from Marrinan’s bar. Because of Tom’s politics (RSF) there were always a few special branch guys there. They were greatly interested in the North. They stood out like sore thumbs. We let them buy drink and told them what they wanted to hear. we had a few scary times -that was back in the early 1990s.
Can anyone remind me if turkey and Greece are playing European football next season ?
If not why not ?
If its match fixing then why are Italy being allowed, me I’d sue the ass off UEFA and bankrupt them, then again that’s my strategy for all cheating governance :o)
is it just me ? or as you scroll by one twat do you become slightly disconcerted when you dont scroll past the more dominant alter ego
Praecepta
I agree.HH
maybe the dick is now dominating. oh eer missus !
WEEFRATHETIM 2328
Aye,mate. He will never be loved as he was here,and will never play for a team with such history.
But rarely has a player left us with such good memories in such a short time,and I genuinely wish him well.
And the good sense to fire his agent!
How’s them chooks?
The heat must be a bit much for them too,I expect.
TORONTONY 2352
Try to get over for the POTY next year.
Greater minds than mine are looking at organising a table or two for interested CQNers.
Enjoy the golf day,and remember not to stand too close to the ball after you’ve hit it….
edwardburns5
I would just ignore it,bud.
Mind,I ignore my own advice sometimes.
Leading to grovelling apologies to PAUL67 later….
canamalar1
23:38 on 11 July, 2013
Thanks …….. !!!!!!!!
RFCIL play book extract?
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21581724-football-clubs-can-easily-be-used-stealing-machines-here-instruction-manual?fsrc=nlw%7Chig%7C7-11-2013%7C6104736%7C124338943%7CE
bmcuw cheers mate but as i sa
BMCUW
Aye , bang on wi the chooks. I honestly believe we will replace VW and I have seen this process for the last 45 yrs. FFS how many no hopers do we have to sign, and become soooopeeerrstars like Our Stan, to know we will win through all this attrition.
I just love our club, and I don’t give a F@@@k for anyone who want’s to denigrate them in any way. JUST MY OPINION. (Which probably isn’t worth much) But I am a ST holder, and get annoyed with the venom from supposedly supporters towards my club.
Hope I have not upset you or anyone else with my honest reply. I just love Celtic. Sorry if anybody is upset with that. BOBBY, looking forward to meeting you at CP in the near future. :))
Disappointing to see us sell one of our top players, maybe even our best player, to a team generally regarded as a ‘bottom half’ BPL team. No disrespect to Southampton, I hope it works out well for them, and this investment makes them a ‘top half’ team. My disappointment is that even with all we offer, rich history, fan base, stadium, Champions League opportunity etc. we are still unable to hold onto players such as Wanyama. I called for us to be bold and seek movement outside of Scotland after the Rangers debacle unfolded…today’s events only continue to confirm that we are being dragged down to the level of clubs we should be buying from not selling to.
bmcuw cheers mate and while i know you are correct sometimes i cannot resist looking for a bite from either or from
moonbeam central
Terry from Philly,
I think the hard fact is we cannot compete, wages wise,with anyone in the english league.I could be wrong, but Id imagine some players are driven by the lure of epl,and the money,
lilys granpa
patmcg1888@aol.com.
you have post …they,ll look Braw I,m sure ….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poHCa__NbRo
just tae get abidy in the mood ….braw!
lilys grandpa,
Sadly have to agree, my real frustration is with this ‘downward spiral’ I believe we find ourselves in, Scottish football is dying all around us, our co-efficient means we are playing CL before ‘big team’ players have come off the beaches in the Med… The real question is, what are we doing about it, does CFC management see this as our only option, have we reached out to others in a serious way… Entry to the English leagues ?… Pan Euro leagues with Belgium, Holland, Portugal etc. all who have teams similar to ourselves.
http://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2013/07/11/so-farewell-then-malcolm-murray-did-his-parting-shot-reveal-omission-in-rangers-share-prospectus/
Right away to bed now. Night night Timland.
Weefra HH
Terry from Philly
00:27 on
12 July, 2013
Disappointing to see us sell one of our top players, maybe even our best player, to a team generally regarded as a ‘bottom half’ BPL team. No disrespect to Southampton, I hope it works out well for them, and this investment makes them a ‘top half’ team. My disappointment is that even with all we offer, rich history, fan base, stadium, Champions League opportunity etc. we are still unable to hold onto players such as Wanyama. I called for us to be bold and seek movement outside of Scotland after the Rangers debacle unfolded…today’s events only continue to confirm that we are being dragged down to the level of clubs we should be buying from not selling to.
Terry – the first point you make sounds similar to Burghbhoy’s point last night – disappointment that we are selling a player to Southampton. So I’ll ask the same question I asked him – would you be happier if Liverpool had paid the £12.5 M for Victor? If so, why? We are unable to hold onto Victor because Southampton can afford to pay bigger wages – that is all. Few players are interested in Celtic’s history, fan base or stadium. Certainly not one from Kenya. They are interested in money. End of. I’m amazed that so many find this difficult to see – it’s the entire basis of modern football.
Your 2nd point appears to be that we should be looking to move away from Scotland. No argument from me there, but what makes you think the club have not been trying to initiate conversations that will pave the way for this? Paul67 have been touting the idea on this blog for a long time now. I agree with you that we should be looking to do this if possible, but it’s not quite as simple as saying “we quit” and turning up at Highbury on Wednesday night to start in the EPL.
Your last point is a kinda repetition of you first – that Southampton are somehow a lesser club that we should be looking to pillage. The reality is they offered what we were looking for and we took it. I could not care if we sold VW to Albion Rovers for £12.5M.
From Twitter
@OfficialNeil: Would like to wish Victor Wanyama the best in his future..he was a wonderful player for Celtic
I’m very sad that Victor is moving on. I think he is a fantastic Competitor, first and foremost. It will never be about the money for Victor, IMO, then again Victor could help so many people (back home) if he gets megabucks down South. I am over the Moon the Fantastic Efe Ambrose Graced the brilliant Victor Wanyama’s Life. ;)))
Scottish Football was ridiculously easy for him, I’m afraid to say, hopefully when the corruption is fully exposed, Scottish Football can start going places again.
I can see how the Celtic Board are cashing in after the downward trend of value from Star players Emilio and Beram after Terrible injuries.
Victor, after all climbed Mt Everest by mistake, ffs.
The Big guy upstairs, he should be worshipped Always, and as he made us all very individual, I kinda reckon he’d quite like individualist Prayers,Talking to him like he was your literal Father. ;)
I am hoping we get Emilio and Beram Bach this season, some may say it is orchestrated this way, divinely inspired.
Why?
I’ve never went out with an evolutionist for a drink.
Irvinewelsh.csc
Reported Big Vic is on £30k a week – can we not compete with that?
I suppose he’ll be on a lot more when he moves to top 4 club within next couple of years, saints just a stepping stone
Awe Vic…it’s awe downhill now :O(((…
Fred C. Dobbs
02:40 on 12 July, 2013
Awe Vic…it’s awe downhill now :O(((…
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I disagree, but I really hear what you are saying.
Remember what Neil was saying.
Victor, I think, expects to play for Celtic again. ;))
patrick27
02:39 on 12 July, 2013
Reported Big Vic is on £30k a week – can we not compete with that?
I suppose he’ll be on a lot more when he moves to top 4 club within next couple of years, saints just a stepping stone
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Alot of contracts go up each year, id say 3/4th year he be on 40k easily. If not performing southampton will look to get rid asap before any clauses kick in.
Hope he does well.
Goodluck vic
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Just having a Gander at Celtic’s Fixture list for July/August..Taken from Official site and UEFA Official site..as we are Not past Clifftonville Yet..
If we Qualify we Face Eight games in August..A Tough call for a Young team..
Excuse My memory of Lack of it..The Play off round.. is that when the Likes of Arsenal come in..ie 4th Qualifying round..?
Fixture List..
17 July Cliftonville UEFA Champions League 19:45A
20 July Brentford FC Friendly TBCA
23 July Cliftonville UEFA Champions League 19:45H
27 July Borussia Monchengladbach Friendly 15:00H
30-31 July 2013 Champions League Third qualifying round
03 August Ross County SPFL 17:15H
6-7 August 2013 UEFA Champions League Third qualifying round
10 August Liverpool Friendly TBCN
17 August Aberdeen SPFL 12:30A
20-21 August 2013 Champions League Play-offs
24 August Inverness CT SPFL 15:00H
27 August Champions League Play-offs
31 August Dundee United SPFL 12:45A
Summa
proudbhoy
Victor will, hopefully be at Man U, Arsenal, Barca, Real in the next year.
Swansea get an amazing player for a season and a massive profit.
win.win.win
or is it? :)
catamongstthepigeons.csc
petec
03:06 on
12 July, 2013
proudbhoy
Victor will, hopefully be at Man U, Arsenal, Barca, Real in the next year.
Swansea get an amazing player for a season and a massive profit.
Swansea? Have Southampton sold him on for a profit already?! Now that’s what I call a fast turnover! ;-)
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PeteC..
You scared to say the Word..Saints..;0)
Summa
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‘I hope you wish me well. 67 will always be in my heart’
VICTOR WANYAMA has completed his move to Southampton from Celtic, revealing that it was the persistence of the Barclays Premier League club that persuaded him to sign.
The Kenyan, who signed for Celtic from Beerschot in Belgium for £900,000 two years ago, had also attracted interest from Cardiff City but, after a summer of wrangling, finally put pen to paper on a four-year contract with Mauricio Pochettino’s side.
The price, thought to be around £12.5m, is a record amount received by a Scottish club, eclipsing the £9.5m Spartak Moscow paid Celtic for Aiden McGeady in 2010 and other major fees such as those paid by Sunderland for then Hearts goalkeeper Craig Gordon and the £9m shelled out by Tottenham Hotspur to sign Alan Hutton from Rangers.
Writing on Twitter, the player paid tribute to Celtic and said: “I have a day of mixed emotions, happy to play in the English Premier League, honoured to be the first Kenyan to play in the English Premier League but very sad to leave Paradise. The club has been great, you fans are incredible. 67 will always be in my heart. I hope you wish me well.”
Wanyama and his agent had seemed initially reluctant to enter contract talks with Southampton after the clubs had agreed a fee, seemingly hoping for a bigger name to enter the bidding, but the player was eventually won over by the perseverence of the St Mary’s club who have now made the 22 year-old their record signing.
“I wish to thank everyone who has made this deal happen,” said Wanyama. “Obviously, there are many clubs that have enquired about my services over the past season, but it is Southampton who kept on trying to acquire my services, and that trust is very important. It feels great and I am happy to be here.
“Finally it has happened and we’ve come to the end [of negotiations], so I am delighted. There were other options, but Southampton is a club with ambitions so I chose to came here. Southampton is a good club and it has good players, so I just want to train hard and work hard to be a part of the starting XI. We’ll see where that will take me. I’m very grateful to be here and I’m looking forward to playing in the Premier League.
“I’ve seen that the stadium is great and the dressing room is looking good, and I know some of the players. I hope they will help me and I think I will get along with the others, so it will be good. I am happy to be a part of Southampton’s squad. It means a lot because because it has been my dream to play in the Premier League and now I am here.”
Pochettino believed he had made a key acquisition ahead of the new season. “I am very pleased to have secured the signing of Victor because we are a big admirer of his talents and he will fit in well to the team here at Southampton,” he told the club’s website. “I want to stress that the deal could have been done sooner, but this shows that we do business on our terms. The most important thing is ourselves, Celtic and the player are all happy with the way it has all gone.
“The fact that a lot of top European clubs were also keen to sign him shows what an attractive prospect Southampton Football Club is to a player who had his pick of the teams in England and abroad. I’ve watched him perform at the top level in the Champions League, and I believe he will be a valuable addition to our Premier League squad for the season ahead.”
Summa
petec
03:06 on 12 July, 2013
proudbhoy
Victor will, hopefully be at Man U, Arsenal, Barca, Real in the next year.
Swansea get an amazing player for a season and a massive profit.
win.win.win
or is it? :)
catamongstthepigeons.csc
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Not win win for us despite the money.
We have lost a major player from last seasons successful team and a player with the most potential i have seen in a celtic shirt.
Im confident he will grow and grow into a great player.
Hope he does, i dont think he is motivated by money as much as some people think.
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Is Wanyama replacement staring Celtic in the face?
Graeme Macpherson
THE irony in the transfer policy adopted by Celtic in recent seasons is that, to enjoy sustained success, they must regularly sell their best players.
The departure of Victor Wanyama to Southampton yesterday leaves manager Neil Lennon with a sizeable hole in midfield to fill but is further proof that the system is working.
Acknowledging their position as a big club in a relatively small market, Celtic have long given up trying to compete financially with clubs in England and in the bigger European markets when it comes to trying to attract established players.
Instead they have looked to source promising, untapped talent, often from underdeveloped markets, at a much cheaper price, with the hope of developing them, integrating them into the first team and, ultimately, selling them on for a substantial profit. It places a heavy responsibility on the club’s scouting system – you have to have eyes and ears everywhere if you are to get to a hot property before an English Premier League club – but can prove highly lucrative if it all comes together as planned.
Ki Sung-Yueng was the first real example of the policy paying off – the Korean arrived for £2m in 2009 and was sold to Swansea City for a £4m profit last summer – and the margin is even greater in Wanyama’s case. The Kenyan was signed for around £900,000 from Beerschot in Belgium in the summer of 2011 and has now agreed a four-year contract at St Mary’s, moving for a fee thought to be in the region of £12.5m. Even taking into consideration a sell-on fee of around £600,000 to the newco founded by Beerschot after they became insolvent, it still represents a profit of around £11m from an investment made only two years ago. Lennon, naturally, would prefer to hold on to his best players, and Wanyama certainly falls into that category, but is also pragmatic enough to appreciate that a deal like this for a club in Celtic’s position is simply too good to turn down.
The question now is whether and how Celtic reinvest that £11m income. Since Lennon became permanent manager in the summer of 2010, the club have only once spent more than £3m in a single transfer fee, shelling out in the region of £4m for Efrain Juarez. Alongside the £2.2m paid for Mo Bangura and the £1.4m for Daryl Murphy, it proved to be a costly, if rare, mistake.
Since then there has been a move towards securing players either out of contract or for knockdown prices. Of those still in the Celtic squad likely to be attractive to suitors with big pockets, Adam Matthews, Kelvin Wilson, Joe Ledley and Mikael Lustig arrived on free transfers, £100,000 was paid for Tony Watt, £300,000 for Kris Commons, £2m for Fraser Forster, and around £2.4m for Gary Hooper. If moved on, all would likely return a sizeable profit.
Last season’s run to the last 16 of the Champions League has further bolstered Celtic’s financial footing, but it is difficult to imagine Lennon now spending more than around £3m on any one player. So far this summer Celtic have paid £1.8m for Amido Balde and £2.6m for Virgil van Dijk, both just 22 and with potential sell-on value. The ideal replacement for Wanyama, therefore, would be sourced for a fee in that region (assuming the best free agents have already been snapped up this summer), possibly from an emerging market or, like Balde and van Dijk, from a lesser club in a more established country.
Replacing what Wanyama brought to the team, however, will not be that easy. The Kenyan looked most comfortable in a deep-lying holding midfielder role but had the physique and mobility to drive forward if space opened up in front of him. He further demonstrated his versatility via his occasional appearances in central defence.
Having just turned 22, his positional play and concentration levels, which were occasionally suspect, should only improve with age. With very few players of that calibre available at a reasonable rate in British football, Celtic will need to look to Europe or beyond to source something approaching a like-for-like replacement.
Of course, Lennon may instead look in-house. The arrival of van Dijk from Groningen as Wilson’s likely central defensive partner next season would seem to free Efe Ambrose to move forward to fill the role of his departed friend. Ambrose, like Wanyama, has the power and pace to adequately step out of defence, and his occasional erratic performances – most notably against Juventus in last season’s Champions League – may not prove so costly if he is playing higher up the park.
Then there is Biram Kayal. The Israeli has lost his way somewhat in the past 18 months or so after suffering ankle problems, and, by Lennon’s own admission, has been a shadow of the player who lit up Scottish football upon his arrival. Kayal does not possess the power or strength of Wanyama, and sometimes shows a volatile temperament, but his tenacity and mobility mean he would seem the player most likely to replace Wanyama, in the short term at least. Regardless of who gets the role, those are big boots to fill.
Instead they have looked to source promising, untapped talent, often from underdeveloped markets, at a much cheaper price, with the hope of developing them, integrating them into the first team and, ultimately, selling them on for a substantial profit. It places a heavy responsibility on the club’s scouting system – you have to have eyes and ears everywhere if you are to get to a hot property before an English Premier League club – but can prove highly lucrative if it all comes together as planned.
Ki Sung-Yueng was the first real example of the policy paying off – the Korean arrived for £2m in 2009 and was sold to Swansea City for a £4m profit last summer – and the margin is even greater in Wanyama’s case. The Kenyan was signed for around £900,000 from Beerschot in Belgium in the summer of 2011 and has now agreed a four-year contract at St Mary’s, moving for a fee thought to be in the region of £12.5m. Even taking into consideration a sell-on fee of around £600,000 to the newco founded by Beerschot after they became insolvent, it still represents a profit of around £11m from an investment made only two years ago. Lennon, naturally, would prefer to hold on to his best players, and Wanyama certainly falls into that category, but is also pragmatic enough to appreciate that a deal like this for a club in Celtic’s position is simply too good to turn down.
The question now is whether and how Celtic reinvest that £11m income. Since Lennon became permanent manager in the summer of 2010, the club have only once spent more than £3m in a single transfer fee, shelling out in the region of £4m for Efrain Juarez. Alongside the £2.2m paid for Mo Bangura and the £1.4m for Daryl Murphy, it proved to be a costly, if rare, mistake.
Since then there has been a move towards securing players either out of contract or for knockdown prices. Of those still in the Celtic squad likely to be attractive to suitors with big pockets, Adam Matthews, Kelvin Wilson, Joe Ledley and Mikael Lustig arrived on free transfers, £100,000 was paid for Tony Watt, £300,000 for Kris Commons, £2m for Fraser Forster, and around £2.4m for Gary Hooper. If moved on, all would likely return a sizeable profit.
Last season’s run to the last 16 of the Champions League has further bolstered Celtic’s financial footing, but it is difficult to imagine Lennon now spending more than around £3m on any one player. So far this summer Celtic have paid £1.8m for Amido Balde and £2.6m for Virgil van Dijk, both just 22 and with potential sell-on value. The ideal replacement for Wanyama, therefore, would be sourced for a fee in that region (assuming the best free agents have already been snapped up this summer), possibly from an emerging market or, like Balde and van Dijk, from a lesser club in a more established country.
Replacing what Wanyama brought to the team, however, will not be that easy. The Kenyan looked most comfortable in a deep-lying holding midfielder role but had the physique and mobility to drive forward if space opened up in front of him. He further demonstrated his versatility via his occasional appearances in central defence.
Having just turned 22, his positional play and concentration levels, which were occasionally suspect, should only improve with age. With very few players of that calibre available at a reasonable rate in British football, Celtic will need to look to Europe or beyond to source something approaching a like-for-like replacement.
Of course, Lennon may instead look in-house. The arrival of van Dijk from Groningen as Wilson’s likely central defensive partner next season would seem to free Efe Ambrose to move forward to fill the role of his departed friend. Ambrose, like Wanyama, has the power and pace to adequately step out of defence, and his occasional erratic performances – most notably against Juventus in last season’s Champions League – may not prove so costly if he is playing higher up the park.
Then there is Biram Kayal. The Israeli has lost his way somewhat in the past 18 months or so after suffering ankle problems, and, by Lennon’s own admission, has been a shadow of the player who lit up Scottish football upon his arrival. Kayal does not possess the power or strength of Wanyama, and sometimes shows a volatile temperament, but his tenacity and mobility mean he would seem the player most likely to replace Wanyama, in the short term at least. Regardless of who gets the role, those are big boots to fill.
Summa
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Hmmm..
Looks like l have contracted lesser know strain of the Ole RPCS.. (Repetitive Post Content Syndrome)..
Which is Rife in Sydney during Transfer Windows..:-)
Summa
Analysis of squad history is a phenomenally interesting topic…what is the year?
Larsson ….Legend..out!
Laursen..dunno. Southampton maybe?
Mjallby…Celtic staff
Hedman…dunno.. Southampton maybe?
Frenandez..dunno..Dundee Utd..Southampton maybe?
Lambert…Great manager.. a Celtic and Dortmund hero!
Valgaren..dunno.. Celtic lost
Miller..Prat
Sylla….dunno… Celtic lost
Healy…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Guppy….dunno. Southampton maybe?
Gray…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Petta..dunno. Southampton maybe?
Crainey…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Fotheringham…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Maloney..Wigan..Celtic..Wigan
Hartson..legend..TV pundit
Sutton..legend
Thompson..legend..staff…dealt with in traditional Celtic style.
Agathe…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Lennon…Legend.
Pearson…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Petrov…Aston Villa.. a Celtic hero if you ask me.
Kennedy..abandoned..maybe in a Forest Gump way..dunno yet.
McNamara…. Celtic hero..manager of Dundee utd.
Balde …Oh my god!
Marshall.. Norwich..dunno. Southampton maybe?
Varga…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Douglas.. Dundee ..via dunno Norwich…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Beattie..Prat
Smith…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Wallace…dunno. Southampton maybe?
McManus..Celtic hero…dunno. Southampton maybe?
Margaret – still awaiting your answer to last night’s question?