Strict liability: if football fans misbehave in a stadium, their club is held liable.
This is the Uefa way and is how most European national associations conduct their business. Not in Scotland. In Scotland there is a belief that some problems are so entrenched, it would be unfair to penalise clubs, who do whatever they can to discourage fans from, for example, setting off flares. Here, a club which does everything it can to stop an errant act is not held liable.
It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say some clubs fear strict liability. Celtic cannot stop people setting off flares, they take steps to discourage it, so, the argument goes, why fine or otherwise punish Celtic?
It’s a cop out. I’d hate to see points deducted, leagues decided, because a club was proxy for a strict liability offender, but everything else is on the table. Clubs are poor at policing their own, there are in-built inhibitors which make doing so difficult. Strict liability takes the issue out of their hands. Stands will be shut, ticket allocations withdrawn, but almost certainly only once.
Flare carriers are the most difficult to police as they are the act of a small number of individuals, who are able to protect themselves [although not their club]by hiding in a crowd, but strict liability would end offensive chanting by thousands overnight.
For that, it’s worth it.
Only caught last night’s Motherwell game in highlights. Newco looked like the Rangers I remember from the early 80s. Despite being a mid-table mediocre outfit, Rangers were, and played like, a big team back then. They attacked with all they had, but John Greig was often out-thought by the manager of a small club, who could organise a defence and break with purpose.
Football tactic students will be captivated by the second leg. Do Newco go on the attack, and risk the same outcome, or do they learn to live within their limitations, hoping to tempt Motherwell beyond theirs? The team which gets it wrong could lose by three goals. It’s a good job Newco didn’t screw around with the ticket allocation, they’ll need that away end packed and energetic.
Thanks for all the feedback on the new issue of CQN Magazine, lots of great reading.
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jmccormick
21:41 on 29 May, 2015
Anyone watch that Coronation St pish over the last two nights? Seriously badly performed at all levels. That should slow the chat down…
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Strange you bring that up. We watched tonights episode. 1st in over a decade. Its chronic. Laughable.
Sevco and all their travails are far more entertaining. A true soap opera if ever there was one.
HH
Which one fiend or Fenian :-)
Probably both, claim them before Big J appears and does
Hail Hail
Fav uncle…Yeah wirnae even the boss in saracen when wee martin wiz aff…Big Jo the ho Blanche ran yir ample ass …ha..
BGX
They have a year to convince people that they are for Scotland and the people,
As you know the chance is they can get a protest vote against them
How would it be if they had 56 MPS but lost the Scottish parliament ?
I’ve read the Scottish bill and the Scottish parliament response
A year is a long time in politics
If any bodies bored like me get onto rangers media and have a trawl. They know if they’re up they’ve had it and it staying put it’ll be just the same.
What’s more astonishing is whilst saying that there is a thread with potential singings.
Lee Irvin, Scott Allan and Vladimir Weiss rumoured to be on 40k a week in Qatar! keep popping up amongst others.
It’s a strange forum to be on but worth a read none the less
bgx
If fav uncle is correct and you are Billy Bhoy whom I met at cqn10 I’m disappointed that you changed yer monica
My Monica will never change 8))
Quiet tonight
Must be confession time
Cannae let May go without some hymns to our lady
Even if the sun isnae shining brightly
Henke
Let’s hope the Sevco story turns out to be more of a tragedy.
Or maybe a Tragi-comedy, as lots of us would be laughin’ if they go the way of the club to which they pay tribute.
Beatbhoy
HIGNFY
The Rangers 1 The Motherwell 3
Still. ..only half time. No chickens have reported for counting yet.
Blantyretim….SNP aint going Nowhere in the Next 5 years except Up..Pic on Twitter, Trident Debate..40 odd SNP MPS..rest of the house, 10 or 12..They know how to play the Game and their gonna ask U..What will You Give us if we hold The club liable for the billy boys, will you give us The Soldiers Song, or..Whatever…Thats whats coming, and forget the political arguement, that aint gonna wash, thats the simpliefied version, but thats whats coming..
BGX
22:02 on
29 May, 2015
Fav Uncle…Text me them then..
been trying all week to get you .speak in the morning,be up early.
Blantyretim… that wasnt me mate…Favourite Uncle just Playing…Dont Think id be welcome at a CQN thing…Im a Tory Voting supercillious Hun Prick©TooManyTo Mention..ha
Favourite Uncle..Fk D..Im on The Red Wine…Whits Early ..
lol
cowiebhoy
22:04 on 29 May, 2015
Both…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
bgx
22:15 on 29 May, 2015
Blantyretim….SNP aint going Nowhere in the Next 5 years except Up..Pic on Twitter, Trident Debate..40 odd SNP MPS..rest of the house, 10 or 12..They know how to play the Game and their gonna ask U..What will You Give us if we hold The club liable for the billy boys, will you give us The Soldiers Song, or..Whatever…Thats whats coming, and forget the political arguement, that aint gonna wash, thats the simpliefied version, but thats whats coming..
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It’s not.
The Scottish government and Police Scotland have been asked continuously to produce a comprehensive list of songs which they ‘deem’ offensive or illegal. That list has never been produced and it never will be.
Hrvatski Jim
Ha! Gets me every time.
Saw the highlights, and Ainsworth’s miss at 0-3, which would’ve meant a lot of hatching chickens needing to be totalised, means I’m not in a zone where all is comfortable.
My Motherwell supporting mate hasn’t phoned me, nor I him, the unspoken understanding being that Fate must not be tempted!
So, I agree. The big-boned Lady hasn’t even cleared her throat yet!
BGX
I’m a socialist always will be, I just hope we aren’t being led up the path by SNP
They will and have been put in a corner with the Scotland bill and will need to raise taxes , they need to put the meat on the bones and stop blaming Westminster , it’s time to put up and follow through
Labour have let Scotland down , the SNP can’t afford to do likewise
HamiltonTim…I really Disagree mate, if the Strict Liability thing is to work, the only way it can is by Specifics, constantly updated, leaving it to interpretation dont work, The OBF has proved that…
Off topic.
Whatever rubbidge your debating just now.
I was on the Glasgow central tour today.
If your a history buff. An engineer. A humanist.
Stunningly good and interesting stories.
Told by a couple of brilliant railway characters.
So going through the tunnels underneath a sudden recollection came to me. Queuing for the football special Airdrie cup final 1975; you joined the line in an underground tunnel. Anyone else remember this ?
The tour guide confirmed this. In the massive crowd days this happened they called them the football tunnels. But much more used to keep Celtic and original rangers fans apart on cup final days.
He added , mischievous ly. But we don’t need that anymore , big grin.
Great tour.
Cot time, night night. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
Dr Nevin on “The World Tonight” pontificating on FIFA corruption.
What about the Corruption in Scottish Football, don’t remember him being so vocal on that.
According to the good Dr a rendition of an Irish folk song is the Blight on Scottish Football.
How he thinks he has the right to be the moral compass of football is beyond me….
Tomorrow is the last day of May
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9SBf0X2euPo
BT
Nicola Sturgeon spoke the other day about addressing Scotland’s ‘poor’ education system.
The thing is her party have been in charge of it for 8 years. Ask any teacher, in the past 8 years all we’ve had is bigger cuts and more bureaucracy.
Weefra
Take care my friend
Blantyretim…I Voted Snp for the first time at the G/ E..if They dont do What i hope they do..I will Vote against Them Next Time…I aint in a Cult man, i do what i think is right. .
BT
Hope you are all well. Got over my surgery well. Feeling good. Friggin head cold, but, wtf. :-)))
We are still Tims, wit a feeling.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
HamiltonTim…Tell me A sector that aint Been cut?…
BT
Maybe in Blantyre
Love
Great news about MT’s Bhoy ,Sean, both results the ones he wanted.Well done to HT minx1888 et alia.
BT –
I’ll trump you with this one!
https://youtu.be/kFCg2zEToVU
Night night
motm gotta mighty Tim and family – brilliant news
Soal
Sunday in wee Jay and Lisa day
Love
Henke,
If Sevco were a soap opera, hang on a minute..they are the afternoon schedule fillers. Like that Doctors one on BBC…not good enough ,or with enough money to get the prime time evening listing.
Beatbhoy
Sevco defo a tragi-comedy
It goes without saying, Rangers is a history.
Bgx
You’re right mate, however, despite the nonsense of the Act and the problem with ‘offence’ being entirely subjective, the Act is still in place.
They’ll be happy to lump us in with the huns but there won’t be any arrangement where offences are matched up in the manner you suggest.
Not in my opinion anyway.
Jobo
Aye, no bad
Blantyretim 22:10
May was always my favourite month for hymns in primary school.
Until I was old enough to go,in June,to a summer retreat at Inverailort.
Two female teachers from Coatbridge,taught us to sing “you can,t go to heaven” and
“Wee Johnny,s lost his Jarrie”.
Is it ok to say that these teachers enthused me for what lay ahead?