We spoke about Stale Solbakken here as an option during one of our recent management vacancies. At the time he was manager of Copenhagen, who were playing monopoly with the Danish game and had become the first regular Champions League competitor from that country. Yesterday he was sacked as manager of Wolves, who are 18th in the second tier of English football.
Mick McCarthy led Wolves to promotion into the FA Premier League in 2009 but was sacked in February after slipping into a relegation place. The club were relegated and Solbakken was appointed in July. Solbakken, still only 44, won five leagues in six seasons at Copenhagen and competed well with a tiny budget in the Champions League. He is a good manager but his failure at Wolves presents more evidence that the fabled guru football manager doesn’t exist.
Managers are cogs in a management system which involves players, scouts, technical experts, coaches, youth development staff and administrators. If a club gets all the other components right, as Copenhagen unquestionably did, the guy with ultimate control over team matters will appear to over-perform. Conversely, if you have a genuinely talented manager but he doesn’t work with a crucial part of the football structure, progress will stall. Martin O’Neill taught us more about football tactics in his first season than we had learned in the previous 20 years, but he was not known to sign players he hadn’t identified when playing against his teams.
Wolves chance of recruiting a manager as good as Mick McCarthy is slight. They could do worse than look at how Celtic stemmed the flow of failure by taking a guy who was already working with the scouts, coaches, technical experts, youth development staff and administrators. Don’t look for a guru, get the system right and find someone who will work within it.
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Tee hee
back to work tomorrow
Paul67:
Good afternoon, have we signed a play-maker yet?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
OH WELL
Paul sneaky 67
I look down on podiums….
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summa of sammi….
14:09 on
6 January, 2013
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Aye OK Ye All speak to Me Now..:-)
Might need to Start Talking in the Third Person.. :-)))))
Summa
2nd yesterday
4th the day
am spending to much time on here.
I touched on this earlier and a couple of posters have commented on possibilities , but I was looking to find out if 12-12-18 would comdemn the good people of Annan , Elgin, Montrose etc.. to another season of Zombie visits?
rm piece mentioned by The Bhoy Jinky……..explitives amended …… The language on rm is atrocious….typical hurtin billies …..ttheir bitterness is exceeded only by their ignorance
“This little stirring f*** pig rodent loving turd piece Keevins trying to give an ill mans last statement probably coerced some credibility .Wonder why spew Keevins feels the need to defend him because he said we had duel contracts??? looks like it very much to me .Apparently Hugh says Adam deserves this and that .What a little reptile this Shugster is .We all know his game .Oh yeah Adam was right in everything he said and done,so if he says we had duel contracts it must be true then eh ??and we should have titles stripped ??.Why Ally and Walter are friendly with this backstabbing weasel astounds me”
Paul 67,
Ironic that you mention the importance of structures and processes, whilst I am half watching Swansea vs Arsenal.
When Ki was at Celtic, I never thought of him as being any more than a 7 out of 10 player( maybe 8 on a good day) , with Arteta similar , whilst Kyle Bartley looked a 4 out of 10 , and that’s me being kind.
Yet , I now watch all three playing well in the Premiership / FA Cup, and it really highlights that structures, science and processes are now more important in football than ever.
I don’t think we have missed Ki, and the £3.5 m profit is the result of a structured approach to recruitment .
PS on this theme , my longshot is that we should be grooming John Kennedy as the long term successor to NL , although hopefully it is a few years away
Lionroars67
Very well said ” Celtic soul”,
I would recommend a prematch visit by our supporters …
HH
For its a grand old team to play for…..
Hope to see some fallout in herald after shocking Hugh Adam obituary. However the ” letters” to editor section has been strangely quiet since admin day.. Unwritten rule would SEEM TO be no criticism of Oldco / Newco will be published. Hence an article like yday and Mr Wilson s end of year summary in Sport, get to see the light of day..
HH
Newcastle are at the other end of the spectrum with their eight year contract for Pardew. While I believe that managers need time to build surely that’s a bit too long?
Paul67 –
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher.
Celtic have got the balance right.
Satta Massagana…
re Solbakken , nobody thought Wolves had made an error when they appointed him. When MoN signed Magnus Hedman we all thought it to be a great signing, sometimes people just do not adapt to new environments and structures in their job.
The system of recruiting from within is a good one , but remember Aberdeen appointed Willie Miller, the Orcs brought in John Greig, the secret has to be in doing the research to see if the man is able to adapt to the new role, job or environment.
Paul what do you make of the attack on Celtic on the official rangers site ?
Do you think our club will react ? Or are servco looking for such a reaction ?
top 20?
just read that guy dickson’s rant on sevco’s official website. my goodness they’re taking it badly aren’t they? truth hurts I suppose. imagine putting that on your official website, talk about amateur hour!
pauloantony
14:28 on
6 January, 2013
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I very much doubt we will. After all, it wasn’t as if Celtic said anything untrue. Best to let them embarrass themselves whilst Chuckles and his shadowy investors dip their pockets.
jmccormick
14:18 on 6 January, 2013
I touched on this earlier and a couple of posters have commented on possibilities , but I was looking to find out if 12-12-18 would comdemn the good people of Annan , Elgin, Montrose etc.. to another season of Zombie visits?
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if it doesn’t, Scottish Football will be finished ….I, for one, would not be in a position to support football when it loses it’s sorting ethics….and I don’t think i’m alone…
We are talking here about a club arrogantly taking Scottish Football to the brink, being caught out, andvliquidated (LIQUIDATED)….HELLOOOOOO, SFA……
Then the estabishment embarks on a campaign to replicate the dead club with some SPL3 newcomers…..!!??…….this must be resisted by every football supporter in Scotland
CAREFUL, SFA
Solbakken was on my shortlist to take over from WGS in 2009, along with Manu Pellegrini, Slaven Bilic and Radi Antic.
Of course the Board opted to go with Tony Mowbray.
Bilic and Pellegrini are doing fairly well with Lokomotiv and Malaga respectively, (Pellegrini got the consolation of the Real job when Celtic appointed BTM) while Antic is working in China now.
BTM continues to lead with his chin at Middlebrough, something Solbakken could have tried in the Championship given their relative positions in the league.
Of all of those mentioned, Solbakken remains the odd one out, being the only one of the 5 to have died before he started his managerial career.
‘s a funny old game.
Lennybhoy, not yet, plenty time left.
The Boy Jinky, always.
Clashcitybhoy, John Kennedy is following a similar path to Neil.
NatKnow, indeed.
pauloantony, got better things to do than read that lot. I would be surprised if the people at Celtic were not of the same opinion. They are an irrelevance, random statements only confirm this, a reaction would give them an importance they don’t deserve.
What are The Doppelrangers taking badly?
What better example of a guy doing well at one team then bombing is the moonbeam of all moonbeams Le Guen. The guy had all the fitness regimes, science, etc. at Lyon and he finds Kris Boyd at training on his first day with a bottle of buckie and 10 pies.
Burley buys a better suit because he gets paid good money via our pockets to spout absolute mince on ESPN.
miki67 –
Not from my pocket he doesn’t.
:-)))
Gordon_J@14:26
There is a 4 year ‘break clause’ in Pardew’s eight year deal
He won’t last the 4 years imo
Arsenal, oh dear
If what Celtic said about the last derby were untrue, Sevco would not have had to play a Scottish Cup tie in September, but they did because Sevco is a third-division club (and lucky to be in it).
If what Celtic said about giving Rangers a doing in the last ever derby game against them were untrue, Sevco would have begun its campaign in the fourth tier of Scottish football with a minus points total because at that point Rangers had not come out of administration. Sevco started on zero points like everybody else because Sevco weren’t in administration (yet).
I know lots of people are fed up with these points being made, but they are clearly not resonating with a lot of observers of Scottish football. I repeat them because they are really very simple to explain.
No one can be baffled by either point. They are matters of plain fact.
Goal Swansea
HH
Michu scores within minutes of coming on, 1 – 0 Swansea.
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Places are limited so please ensure you secure your ticket earlier.
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This deserves a repost every day for 125 days (may 5th)
10p a day £12:50, 20p a day £25:00.
A fantastic gesture I’M IN :)).
Vmhan
10:48 on
6 January, 2013
While its quiet I’ll repost Kitalba’s message from the KANO 125 CFC fundraiser:
kitalba
11:15 on
28 December, 2012
Kano got sick one night, very sick. If it was not for so many Celtic Supporters, from so many places, then Kano would be an ornament in a sterile hospital room. That is not nice because Kano still breathes and he still thinks and he is still a Celtic Supporter to his very core.
A lot of money, by a lot of people, was raised to take Kano home. He can’t ever balance the books, but he’d love to.
None of us gets more than one go on the roundabout of life.
Celtic is celebrating their 125th Birthday and indelibly stamping it into their history by encouraging all to embrace the simple ethos of the clubs founding… let’s try and help those who just don’t have more than the air that they breathe.
A lot of Celtic Supporters are doing a lot of different things to raise money for to help those less fortunate than ourselves. To a lot of people that is no big deal.
I’m determined to help Kano pay back the kindness shown to him by the Celtic Support by supporting my club to help unfortunates. No big deal.
There are some from here who have said they will help me to help Kano to help Celtic to help others.
I give up the bevie for 125 days and I give up posting on here for 125 days as of the 1st Jan.. No big deal really, Kano has done both for the best part of four years.
I ‘m going to put a wee bit aside for each day that I don’t drink or post and forward it to Celtic to hopefully fill a belly that needs a feed or to make an unfortunate hope where only darkness is their dawn.(but maybe I can have St. Pat’s day off so I can share a day with some good Tims)
I’ve only one life and when I’m gone I soon be forgotten but if I’ve ever managed to feed one hungry person, if only for one day, then my life was worth something.
No big deal to me or you but the person I fed, he/she will never know where the food came from and they won’t ever be visiting my grave to put some pretty flowers at the base of a head-stone, they’ll be too busy worrying about tomorrow.
I can live with that and like Kano, once I’m gone, I’ll know that I never changed the world, hardly left a mark, but still I took to Celtic and I did something to try and ease the pain of others… sort of the Celtic way.
Michu destined for a bigger club imo
HH
Celtic_First –
Important to reiterate the facts of the matter to counter the propaganda in the lamestream media. Keep it lit.
Good to see the arsenal getting beat, enjoy watching Swansea play. Michu must be the find of the season down there. Only disturbing thing about the game is that creature Bartley who is getting some rare game time.
Paul,
Did Jonathon Wilson not suggest in Inverting the Pyramid, that managers were almost the most expendable in the modern game?
He argued that the club should be structured in such a way that the manager is, effectively, only there to coach players.
In Europe, the Director of Football decides the playing style of the club and the scouting department recruits suitable players.
The coaches’ jobs are to mould the players into a unit and motivate them.
If they fail, or, more likely, they run out of pep talks, then he is replaced.
The underlying principle behind the philosophy is, that it is cheaper to replace a coach, than replace a raft of players.
The football philosophy remains, but a fresh face is recruited to remotivate the players.
Of course, all this depends on hiring a coach who buys into the club’s model.
Palacio67 14:44 on 6 January, 2013
“Michu destined for a bigger club imo”
Not Sevco then?
I’m sure we’ll get a story about Michu running down his contract and living in hope of a dream move to Ibrox, as Sleekit prepares to delve into the ole warchest next January.
miki67
14:39 on
6 January, 2013
You could dress Burley upi in Armani, Versaci or Boss, he would still look like an unmade bed
gsu