The last minute goal fell Celtic’s way at the weekend but Wednesday’s opponents, Ajax, were on the receiving end of the sucker punch, losing to a last minute goal at home to Vitesse, just a week after a goalless draw at home to joint bottom Waalwijk. The Dutch champion’s only win in their last five games was at home to lower league opposition six days ago.
So what does this mean for Celtic? It means Ajax have found various ways not to approach the Celtic game. The last thing teams need ahead of a crucial game is an easy or flattering result, far better to show up your mistakes.
If Celtic take the lead, we might find Ajax confidence sinks rapidly, but they will approach the game full of focus, dangerous and with a point to prove.
It’s Christmas time…….
The Celtic FC Foundation (new name for Celtic Charity) Christmas Appeal has been launched. The 125 Anniversary activities have considerably reenergised the Celtic Movement in getting back to where is all started – looking after those in need.
The Christmas Appeal aims to provide 150 local families who would otherwise go without, a Christmas meal, with gifts for younger kids.
The Celtic support will be helping people through Glasgow East Women’s Aid, Spirit Aid, the Glasgow Simon Community, Loaves and Fishes, The Wayside Club, Glasgow City Mission and Lodging House Mission.
Details of how to help online, and in person, are available here.
Offensive Behaviour Act
Scottish Parliament Justice Committee convenor, Christine Grahame, has agreed to discuss an Early Review of the Act on the agenda for tomorrow’s Justice Committee meeting. Three members of the Committee are already committed to a Review, details on how to contact others on the committee – it has to be today, they meet tomorrow – are available here, on the Trust website.
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I’ve thought of the globalisation.
As a result I’m now stood down for a fortnight.
newradbhoy
no
I have officially just bit the Social Media bullet and got Twitter
This must be how Man Utd felt when they sold their image…
Celtic’s main bank a/c is with the co-op.
Peter Lawell pockets all the divvi himself.
I think we owe them some money; repayments are on schedule but in theory if things went completely Sevconian they could come in and demand the cash ASAP.
Huns not happy with Terry Butcher…
I have been approached to become an institutional investor in Rangers. This ought to cover my 10% share. pic.twitter.com/rRJKuCt1pL
Hope it works.
Hun skelper.
Because celtic bank with them
Try again..
https://mobile.twitter.com/TerryButcher_/status/385037529827008512?screen_name=TerryButcher_
Don’t know who Sevco will get in the draw tomorrow, but you’ll get good odds they will come oot the hat first, that’s almost a certaintie.
With 509,621 Celtic, along with Man Utd are 1 of only 2 clubs in the UK to break the half million barrier for attendance so far this season.
What’s happened to all the Berrs ?
lennon’s passion
19:33 on
4 November, 2013
Wife just reeled me in. Home fae work handed me a envolope,2 tickets for Ajax inside. Get all excited then she tells me they are fakes. Her and a auld tim copied his real ticket at work.
!!!!!
Let me know if you need a hand digging up the patio…
Natknow
does he live in brookside
Just listened to that M Murray interview on Talksport. What did he mean with that crack about the Irish?
Scots and Irish served in the British forces that “forged the Empire” in greater numbers, as a % of population, than did the English. Scots were more to the fore amongst the opium dealers and slave masters right enough. Wasn’t the Duke of Wellington Irish?
Was Murray somehow trying to play to the “peepil?”
burghbhoy
that will be 500million for sevco
Lennon’s passion
Some would say that’s grounds for a divorce !!!
HH
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brnobhoy
McGinn with a good freekick
1 nil the Dons
brnobhoy
sally is a shoe- in for the storage job -just ask greggs -he’s got half their stock already
Tsoal
wall ducked
Great free kick there from wee Niall.
Decent game up at Pittodrie.
Morrisseythe23rd@16.17
I think I have got the hang of double consonants there
He’ll love that the Celtic support are missing ‘them’ and the perceived income associated with them existing, and they belief ‘they’ are needed to have a ‘competition’.
The perception that is the reality, when it isn’t.
I am glad that you have taken care to differentiate my observation from my own belief.
In turn, given the number of posts I have seen on CQN professing that the poster concerned has no desire to see the huns back, I have a duty to make my views clearer. I think only hamiltontim fully appreciated what I was saying. I do not believe that in a straight vote of Celtic supporters, many would vote for them back with no sanction applied. I think the views are more complex than that and, as with politics, what we say we want is not always reflected in how we behave.
There are very few fans, prepared to say outright that they want them back but they are there. I had a Celtic supporting taxi driver (not mickbhoy) say it to me after I got home late from the Hibs cup final. I have heard a few of the usual fools on SSB say it and we have heard many former Celtic players and staff, now working in the media, who have said it with varying degrees of sincerity.
Many of our past heroes, Sutton, Hartson etc will have been attracted here by the exposure that such games provided. There will be a lot fewer English, Welsh and,even, Irish fans who will tune into SPFL football to watch us against Aberdeen or Motherwell. That is fairly undeniable.
However, it does not lead me or many others to want them back. We must thole those disadvantages and, instead, focus on the opportunities brought about, whether they be more regular success, enhanced opportunities to win CL rich rewards, or just a less nasty atmosphere around the game.
I welcome all of these improvements and have no desire to have them back on current terms, but I am not prepared to lie and mis-represent the reality I see.
Part of the apathy and boredom around our Scottish Premiership games stems from the near certainty that the title will be ours regardless of whether we mess up at today’s match. That perception stems from their absence but, for the avoidance of doubt, it is another thing we must thole. The United match was, to a neutral, a fairly open and entertaining match, but there were very many Celtic fans on here bemoaning how boring and turgid it was.
Personally, I think they mistook the atmosphere for the game. I think the fans, GB apart, were more boring than the game and I think that will become more and more the norm as league victories remain largely foregone conclusions.
Again, I will thole that and recognise why it is occurring until some team emerges to challenge us domestically outwith the cup games. It is not a reason, for me, to want them back.
However, those that find the games boring, tend to blame that on our players or board or manager, and they may very well start to stay away from these boring events in larger number. It has not happened yet but we are only in Season Two since the death of Rangers. Predictable success is initially enjoyable but pales over time due to its predictable nature. Our previous 9 in a row was far from predictable but even then, there was a danger of domestic complacency and falling crowds.
If my prediction, which I make from fear of what I see and hear, rather than to give comfort to our enemies, comes true, then our crowds and revenue will drop and our player recruitment will have to be made from even more impoverished sources and there will be reduced chances of CL success. These are all possibilities and they will not be avoided by the purchase of Finbogasson or anyone better.
My argument is really a separate argument to the merits of the Resolution, which I continue to support, and to the public or private views expressed by Board members to the outcome of that resolution.
It is about whether we can destroy our chances of success and riding the wave of the recent recession to stay afloat by having to appease fans and trying to square the circle of reduced attendance prices and increased wages to exciting stars. The only way we can resolve that dilemma is to continue to support the team regardless of how good or poor we consider them to be, because they will get worse if we reduce our financial input.
And yet, if our Board have messed things up or are about to, by being guilty of more than just opposing the Resolution, then we will be forced into just such a choice. The dilemma is there- continue supporting and accept the game is corrupt or get out of dodge.
I have already nailed my colours to the mast. I am unwilling to attend CP if it is proven that the Board is willing to actively collude with the fiction of the continuity of Rangers. The only difference I see with my position and that of you and your brothers and others, is that you and they believe the case to already have been proven and I believe the jury is still out. I hope you guys are wrong but, again for the avoidance of doubt, I have been careful up to now not to state that you actually are wrong.
These are difficult times. People do not speak straight enough or honestly enough to know where they stand. Some of the language used around the debate is counter productive to gaining support. If we lose the block vote ballot at the AGM, which is likely, it is important that we maintain the support of as wide a group of people in the Celtic support for keeping the campaign going.
If the uber-purists in the Resolution support camp alienate enough moderate or lukewarm supporters by playing the Judean Revolutionary Front Game and using the language of splitters, traitors, scabs and board lovers, then we will eat ourselves and achieve nothing.
I hope the support for the resolution, amongst the fans,, those who matter most, remains high. I hope not to be tested by acrimonious fall outs. I trust and believe that you desire the same.
Niall McGinn………. a legend in China
Hun skelper,
Just had a wee scroll back found why I got the impression I did,
hun skelper
11:35 on 3 November, 2013
michaelj
11:28 on 3 November, 2013
Let them think they want to play us and let them think there in with a chance and when we do get them…. BOOM there wee 2nd division bubble will be burst and we will give them a hun skelping they won’t forget HH
hun skelper
21:50 on 3 November, 2013
weeminger
21:45 on 3 November, 2013
If we play sevco I’ll be there, not because it’s sevco but because it’s Celtic and hee haw to do with OF.
The OF tag died with rangers.
For me it’s all about Celtic mate HH
hun skelper
22:13 on 3 November, 2013
weeminger
22:08 on 3 November, 2013
Yh so it’s still a derby lol
Keep telling yourself you’ll enjoy beating Partick th the same as sevco then when it happens come back on and remind me mate HH
hun skelper
22:34 on 3 November, 2013
weeminger
22:19 on 3 November, 2013
Your right mate I don’t know you and I might be wide of the mark concerning beating sevco, just think a few guys saying it will just be another game might change there view once we skelp them. No offence ment HH
Further to Malcolm Murray and his weird reading of the Scots diaspora… does the man not recall the survey that Rangers conducted back in Hugh Adams’ day that called upon hun supporters to nominate any oversea hun supporters they knew (supposedly for hun- related marketing purposes)?
I think Hugh Adams said that they received 500 names –some of whom had no idea that they were nominated.
At the time Adams said Celtic’s overseas support dwarfed any overseas support the hun had.
Malcolm Murray — not real smart.
Also, still looking for Milan tickets. Anybody….anybody at all? Thanks.
call me gerry
20:10 on 4 November, 2013
Soon wiped the smile off her face. Told her I wasn’t that fussed as it would be 50 euro more to go window shopping.
The new international manager-in-waiting talks playing Gaelic football, captaining Northern Ireland and managing Celtic.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/martin-oneill-irish-identity-1089500-Nov2013/
Morrissey the 23rd@16.48
I don’t think this dialogue is worth considering. Rather than producing any evidence, both of us have merely outlined the attributions we place on behaviour, the reasons for which, neither of us know.
I was hoping Awe Naw, who asked the questions, was going to outline the evidence for them not the rhetoric around them (which is my job)
Dontbrattbakkinanger
19:50 on 4 November, 2013
Celtic’s main bank a/c is with the co-op.
Peter Lawell pockets all the divvi himself.
I think we owe them some money; repayments are on schedule but in theory if things went completely Sevconian they could come in and demand the cash ASAP.
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This is why we Must be very careful with our Money at these most precarious of Times. Just because the Stock Market reaches heights never seen before, falsely, it doesn’t mean it is a true reflection of the economic outlook. It is more likely the Big Fish want to gobble up more of the Little Fishes earnings and they are trying to entice people back to the market, so they can steal more, inevitably, through an even bigger crash.
The Celtic Board take it really tight on here at Times, I’m very annoyed that young Celts are being harrassed and being taken to court when it should never get there but, IMO, they are doing a very good job keeping this Club going well and progressing Football wise. The logical progression is to be more like Ajax and bring through a lot more into the First Team. I am sure we will be more like Ajax as the years go by, we are spending the money in these areas, quite rightly, IMO and the fruits will come, perhaps even sooner than you think. ;)
VP Kayoed….@19.13…………..Well done for posting the clips of that game against Ajax. Celtic were awesome with a terrific forward line. Didier Agathe was brilliant and fabulous Chris Sutton goal. Probably my alltime favourite Celtic away strip.
Celtic are something of a bogey team for Ajax and have a great record against the Dutch in Europe. By my reckoning Celts have played seven won 4 drawn 1 and lost 2. Two of those victories were in Amsterdam.
Celtic proved in the games against Barca and Ajax by putting pressure on these sides who like to play out from the back you can rattle them and force them to kick it long.
We were on the verge of achieving another great result against Barcelona until Scott Brown’s piece if eejitry.
maybe the last honest businessman at ibrox – hugh adam prophesy. 2002.
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Adam shakes Ibrox pillars with warning of bankruptcy
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‘Rangers, with Murray, is a one- party state and the man in power has an allergy to any form of personal criticism’ “ADVERTISEMENT
Published Date: 02 February 2002
By Glenn gibbons Chief football writer
THERE are licensed premises in Glasgow where the regular patrons will consider the recent deeds and utterances of the former Rangers director, Hugh Adam, to be nothing less than acts of treason.
This should be regarded as a natural, almost understandable, reaction from immovably devoted supporters of the Ibrox club to the decision by Adam to unload his 59,000 shares in Rangers on the basis that they were heading towards worthlessness, thanks to the unsatisfactory business methods of the chairman, David Murray.
Almost certainly viewed as an even more heinous offence would be Adam’s claim that Celtic are run much more competently and that investment in the Parkhead club would be a much sounder proposition for anyone wishing to purchase shares in a football institution.
It would be tempting for many to dismiss Adam’s action as merely a gratuitous attack on Murray by a disillusioned, 76-year-old ex-employee carrying a grudge. But Adam has been a candid critic of the way Rangers have operated for years, ever willing to voice his unease – indeed, his incomprehension – at losses he has always insisted were unsustainable.
He also has impressive credentials, having been chairman and managing director of Rangers Development and Rangers Pools since 1971, raising the millions which built the modern Ibrox. Adam’s efforts brought the club around £18million, about £60million at today’s values.
To say that his final severance with Ibrox, after three separate terms as a director amounting to about 15 years of service, was done in a fury would be inaccurate, but in conversation this week it became evident that his decision is underpinned by unmistakable disgust.
Not given to sensationalism, this essentially conservative disciple of prudent forward planning and low-risk business principles did, however, cause something of a shock by observing almost matter-of-factly that, if Rangers continue on their present track, their ultimate destination will be bankruptcy.
“That’s the logical conclusion to a strategy that incurs serious loss year on year,” said Adam. “In the past five years – and it’s all there in the last annual report – Rangers have lost £80million.
“Now, the banks are well known for being a bit more tolerant of companies whose core business is a popular pursuit like football. But there is a limit to how far backwards they can bend to accommodate you.
“David Murray has always had an amazing persuasiveness when it comes to getting people to put money into his businesses, but the signs are that those sources have dried up.
“The £40million worth of shares that ENIC (English National Investment Company) bought a few years ago are now worth about £15million, with no evidence to suggest that they will recover. The money itself, that which was actually invested, was lost some time ago.
“Now the latest investor, Dave King from South Africa, will know that his £20million shareholding is worth around half, or even less, of what it was when he bought. No proper businessman will want to buy into that kind of loss.”
ADAM sold 12,000 of his 59,000 shares last year and the balance of 47,000 just recently. For the latter, he got £1.15 each; three years ago, they were valued at £3.45. He is convinced Rangers cannot trade their way out of trouble, unless they gain access to a league that will attract higher-bracket income from TV. He was in favour of the proposed Atlantic League, involving the Old Firm and clubs from Holland, Portugal and other countries, but is extremely sceptical of their chances of joining the English Premiership.
He is adamant that Rangers do not have the customer base to improve their financial standing through merchandising. “Rangers’ so-called global appeal is a myth,” he said. “When I was there, we did an exercise which involved asking 50,000 fans on the database to recommend a friend or a relative abroad.
“A big response was expected – some were even talking about getting 100,000 names – because everybody in Scotland seems to know somebody abroad.
“We got back 2,800 names and three-quarters of them didn’t know they had been nominated. It’s no surprise that Celtic are officially the best-supported football club in North America, with more official clubs than anybody else. The difference is the Irish connection.
“Many Irish people may support Manchester United, Liverpool or whoever, but they all – every one of them – have an affection for Celtic. And, of course, Celtic also have a great Scottish following.
“The difference is that, while the Irish all have an allegiance to Parkhead, there are millions of Scots who not only don’t support Rangers, but actively dislike them.
“Despite the claims of international appeal, Rangers are, essentially, a West of Scotland club. They talk of supporters’ buses leaving from all parts of Scotland, but if you look closely, you’ll see there aren’t many from each area and they are not all full.
“This doesn’t mean that even Celtic will earn fortunes from emigrant supporters. There may be more of them than Rangers fans, but it doesn’t mount to the kind of income necessary to fund their ambitions. But Celtic have been, since Fergus McCann’s arrival, much the better-run club.
“Fergus was the most unjustly maligned man in the history of the game, when you consider that he took the club from bankruptcy into the mainstream and built that stadium along the way.
‘NOW, the Celtic board have more financial heavyweights than Rangers, with people like Brian Quinn, Dermot Desmond and Sir Patrick Sheehy.
“It’s only in the last couple of years that Celtic have sustained losses, but over the five-year period they break even. But Brian Quinn and his board are taking steps to warn people that they are not in the business of heading towards bankruptcy.
“For their pains – for doing their job properly – they get crucified in the media, accused of penny-pinching. I don’t understand it.
“They are determined to keep Celtic properly managed, while Rangers, with Murray, is a one-party state and the man in power has an allergy to any form of personal criticism. But he’s not a businessman in the long-term sense of planning and prudence, he’s more of an impresario.
“But what has been happening is unfair on shareholders, and they’re being short-changed.
“It’s a nonsense, too, to say that Rangers’ shareholders are all supporters who aren’t interested in dividends or profits.
“That’s okay for the man with 50 shares, framed and hung on his wall. The number of shareholders in that category would amount to a minuscule percentage of the equity.
“But I’m 76 and haven’t had a dividend in years, so what’s the point of me keeping shares until they dwindle to nothing? And I’m certain the people at ENIC won’t be too pleased with their investment.”
SFTB
Well considered piece.
HH
higginbotham kicks out at an aberdeen player yellow card, Scott Brown three games
!!Bada Bing!!
Maybe cleaning your system up a bit with 1 of those programs will do the trick but another thing that could help is a ram upgrade.
It would cost a few quid but if theres room for an upgrade it makes a noticeable difference.
Dessybhoy-
You beat me to that. Was the first thought when I saw the kick.
Cyrul
FAVOURITE UNCLE
14:12 on
4 November, 2013
BOBBY MURDOCH’S.
jointhe club…BIG PS.
WIFE GOING FOR A TRIP ON TUESDAY SO ANYONE TRAVELLING SOUTH TO HULL FOR BOAT FANCY AN ALLDAY BREAKFAST IN YORK??????
FIRST REFUSAL GOES TO ST MUNGO’S SHAMROCK ALLOA AND DIST.”TELL J.MULL I LOST HIS E/MAIL”
2ND REFUSAL TO ANY EX MUNGO BHOYS AND THEN ITS FIRST COME……
YORK IS SMALL DETOUR AFF THE A1 HEADING TOWARDS HULL.
PS, NAE BUS LOADS/ CAR OF 4 OR 5.
copy of my post from earlier today.offer still stands ,no takers yet. F.U.
newradbhoy
19:53 on 4 November, 2013
If they go tits up we would get another bank I would guess ? HH
when searching for the adams interview it was actually on a thread on ranger media.
this was back in 2009.
this comment is a belter :
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Posted 30 October 2009 – 12:13 PM
LOL – Hugh Adam – what a sage – predicted this (allegded) crisis 7 years ago!!! Lot of water under the bridge scince then.
what a pish thread!! (IMHO)
St. Stivs:
Thanks for that. 2800 huns not 500 identified.
WK
neil canamalar lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
20:25 on 4 November, 2013
When we beat them i will enjoy it as others will am not denying it others are not exactly the same as can’t wait to see them is it ?