I see several “fans’ groups” are engaged on the subject of our old friend, Juninho, who played around 13 games for Celtic eight years ago and benefited from an Employee Benefit Trust before and during his time at the club.
Can you believe this is where their focus is?
As Sir David Murray and a gaggle of his former directors will tell you, there is nothing illegal in EBTs, it’s the undeclared second contracts the football authorities have a problem with. Juninho’s EBT was not subject to any contract or side letter whatsoever. Moreover, our then chairman, Brian Quinn, regarded EBTs with suspicion and instructed the club to declare Juninho’s to the Revenue. Celtic even paid tax on money paid to the EBT.
The SFA and SPL, and every journalist in Scotland interested in getting a story right, are fully aware of the facts.
I suppose running with this beats looking at links between Green and Whyte. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for the record, stripping titles is not the ultimate sanction, not by the length of Argyle St.
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Has the SFA president commented yet on the ‘undeclared second contracts?’
Has he been taken ill?
C’mon Mr Ogilvie we know you are out there somewhere.
Scottish Premier League giants, Glasgow Celtic FC have this week paid tribute to the Creggan teenager who tragically drowned last month.
Chairman Peter Lawwell wrote to the McCafferty family following the death of the nineteen year old in the Creggan Reservoir, in order to express his sorrow upon hearing of the news.
It was the second time ‘The Hoops’ had paid tribute to one of their fallen fans. The Celtic youth team which contested the Foyle Cup visited the reservoir in order to pay their respects during the competition.
Connor was a massive Celtic fan. More than 40 of his friends bought Celtic FC jerseys with ‘CMCC Number One’ or ‘RIP Connor’ written on the back and formed a guard of honour for their friend as he was laid to rest.
Connor’s girlfriend, Sarah Harper, said she thought Connor would have been really touched by Celtic’s tribute.
Did I miss the bit where Sevco announced that their £30,000,000 funding was in place?
gerryguk7 on 6 August, 2012 at 10:47 said
That too. :)
Re-EBTs,they are sinking into the cesspit of infamy,they are desperate to take us or anyone else with them.Deluded fools.HH.
SONSOFERIN 1045
Good point.
Why,really,would they even THINK of of free advice from a high-ranking Bank of England official when a huge fee would make such a heavy-hitting financial genius as him available?
I see their point,tbh,and they are clearly blameless…….
Paul67
I note with interest that your article makes NO mention of wind assisted flag poles
Chaophyrah [?]. Seemed to be full of Leeds WAGs.;/0
cheers vogue
betcha that character olgilvie would know something about juninhos “ebt” never hear much coming from him these days…must spend his day locked in a cuphoard over there at hampden…no morals taking money from tax payers…must drink a lot of horlicks
Paul67
As soon as Delahunt dropped into the conversation the other night that another club used an EBT (he even used ebts in the plural but pulled back to the singular,) I knew this hare would once again shoot by the traps.
Sure enough 10 minutes later he gets a hmmmm call from a Ranger’s supporter and they were off.
Delahunt reads the blogs, he knew the player he knew theclub and the background but still he set the hare running. His job is to get callers but these phones tend to be for the uninformed to keep their fellow uniformed in the same state as themselves.
Of course someone then phones in to correct the misinformation (which is right) but mission accomplished as far as Clyde are concerned.
The role of phone ins as providers of propaganda is passing along with the propaganda purveyors. Mistruths can be questioned in seconds via Twitter, misinformation becomes a vampire walking into the daylight.
The programmes either change their role or die.
I will be in the Harp in Paris for the Helsinki game
so if anyone is going to be there I will join
you for a couple of beers
cheers
brnobhoy
kdc on 6 August, 2012 at 10:57 said:
No probs,Paul67 obviously had a boring weekend listening to
all those golfing stories,his mind went into neutral.
DBBIA
Your point about the drinking culture at the cricket isn’t confined to the likes of Headingley.
A friend,who was a member at Lord’s,invited me along for a Test in the 90s.
I think I was the only person watching the cricket while everyone else networked,scoffed,and quaffed.
Mind,it was probably my round by then.
Any reason why Cha Mul Grew was suspended for League game after red card in friendly, instead of being suspended for one of the hunners of other friendlies we played?
Murray the Merciless would never have taken Brian Quinn’s advice. Why would he when he ruled Scotland from his Edinburgh bunker: private jet on standby for ‘swooping’ missions, Perthshire fields full of lambs awaiting ‘succulisation,’ a french vine yard providing bottle after bottle to top up his perma-drunk lovers in the MSM, friendly banks funding his pursuit of top stars and the value of Ibrox soaring daily. Nothing could go wrong.
Nobody could ever touch him, could they?
BMCUWP- Headingley a bit rougher than Lord’s.
Still a grand day out, though.
Dontbrattbakkinanger
It was reported to the SFA so it had to be a game under their jurisdiction. Funnily enough the Inter game fell into that category.
There must have been a delay in processing the paperwork…
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 6 August, 2012 at 10:58 said:
They have a big issue now. In the old days their role was in ‘correcting’ the ordinary fans and ensuring the presenters sense of importance. They after all had access to exclusive picture feeds that no-one else did. They were able to counteract the assertions of those phoning in on their way home from games about contentious decisions, opinions on favoured players etc etc.
Nowadays people are accessing those feeds, so that whole area is now closed.
They’re left with a role of inciting arguments and trying to prove they have exclusive and privelaged access to those in the know. Except the internet is showing them up as just being the mouthpieces they always were.
As you say, their death is on the way. Unless they can bring themselves round to proper informed football debate. I’m all to happy for presenters/pundits to express their own opinion, provided it comes from an informed standpoint.
ROY CROPPIE 1106
Ain’t hubris wonderful?
Though schadenfreude is obviously better…….
DBBIA 1107
Didnae want to suggest you were slumming it,haha!
why do rangers fans have such a fixation about junihno?
He played what 14 games for us, he had ONE contract, everything about his contract was legit, however our esteemed chairman at the time (who many board bashers still want to have a go at) thought these EBT’s may come back to bite so contacted HMRC and paid EVERY PENNY of tax due. It is a complete non story. Yet typically from the mushroom fc support they want to focus on this as if this equates to around 14 years of scores of players having illegal dual contracts and side letters which changed the whole ebt system and rendered it potentially illegal. Typical of the “how did this happen, ” we wurny telt” ay holes that fills a large section of their support.
If, god forbit I was a supporter of insolvency fc i would be worried how my club was going to survive based on new chief execs last club and the state he left it but more worryingly that despite the club being run into the ground for 20 years they are still spending money they dont have – is the 3rd division so hard that players the calibre of shiels and black on premier league wages required to get out of it.
I’b be more worried about lasting to christmas than an irrelevant one ebt a celtic player had years ago that was fully declared and paid up.
stupid stupid huns.
As you can see from above I cant be succinct, could someone in plain simple terms explain the juninho ebt so any hun interlopers can get their carers to explain it to them?? cheers.
Tooting Tim
Re Helsinki Ticket-If you are still interested in the ticket -drop me an email -nae7171@googlemail.com
Cheers
A heads up on a new blog called Fansfirst.
http://fansfirstscotland.com/.
It is pretty obvious that a core belief held by the SFA is that Scottish football NEEDS a strong Rangers (even if that weakens every other club) and this belief drives the failed business model and will drive the reconsruction of it.
It is this core belief of the SFA that must be challenged for it MUST impact on every decision they take on Rangers from whom gets suspended and the timing to granting a licence to play in the CL when there is doubt about meeting the criteria to get that licence.It will also influence and perhaps skew reconstruction plans.
To be fair to Regan the new Disciplinary process, when the fast streaming is actually applied (Mr McCoist benefitting from that particular lapse) has produced fairer results than in the past, but it is not liked by followers in the blue because it weakens their club.
However it also means that attempts to do what is good for the game is ALWAYS going to be skewed if a core belief is that this requires a strong Rangers. In that respect the fans first blog is an interesting development in that it questions the existing model and if better alternatives were to emerge and if the predicted Armageddon were not to happen, might produce an alternative more healthy model for the game in Scotland.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
schadenfreude is by far the best and we shall be enjoying much more of it in the months ahead. I hope Lizzie summons him to Holyrood to strip him of his title:)
FredGoodwinCSC
Asonofdan, cheers. That reminds me to put tinfoil on the ole shoppin’ list.
BMCUWP
Please let me know ‘schadenfreude’ means,so as I can enjoy to.
Rocket Man on 6 August, 2012 at 10:53 said:
IF…and it’s a BIG IF…we are found to have registered Juninho incorrectly then we must be punished. It is only fair.
However, our punishment for fielding an ineligible player for 14 games (wiki) pales in comparison to 38 players over 11 years.
Bring it on I say.
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2010 Never Again
Hello Hello……It’s good to have another rocket with us
weeminger on 6 August, 2012 at 11:10 said:
Aye I remember getting incensed on how they would use their TV access to focus on Celtic getting a corner at Motherwell that they would say was doubtful but not on a dive to earn Rangers a penalty.
They created the discussion agenda along with the Setanta producer who decided what replays to show.
Well as John Reid said “those days have gone”
I don’t go to the CQN open golf championship because I’d probably win it all the time and then no one would ever turn up again because they would know I was going to win it again. So I think I should be presented with the CQN Trophy and keep it for good then you could get another trophy to play for and I wouldn’t attend as I already had the trophy I would keep winning anyway.
Morning all from a dreary Glesga.
I take it Paul67, you are referring to some of the “supporters” of yon deid team. They’ll do anything but look at their own situation. They seem to inhabit a parallel universe where rules, regulations and LAWS do not (or should not) apply to them. They are ra peepil, as, I hear, one told Keevins, it says in the Bible.
That ultimate sanction you hint at, could it be they are thrown out of Scottish football sine die? Wouldn’t that bring joy to many hearts.
SATURDAY´S 1-0 victory over Aberdeen was a hard-fought battle on the pitch and required a late goal from Kris Commons to seal the first league points of the new season, but Neil Lennon believes it was just the warm-up his side needed ahead of Wednesday evening.
Celtic will travel to Finland this week for the second leg of the UEFA Champions League qualifier with HJK Helsinki, and with the Hoops already leading 2-1, they will be looking to press home their advantage. And the manager took a lot from Saturday´s tough SPL opener.
He said: “The players were coming in at half-time saying they were feeling stiff so it was all about getting through the game and trying to get the win. We´ve done that and we kept a clean sheet.
“I know we´re going to improve and in the meantime it sets us up nicely for Wednesday.
“The game could have gone either way for long periods but I felt we were on top and we found a bit of a second wind towards the last 20 minutes of the game, which was pleasing.”
Commons´ scrappy second half goal was the difference between the sides in a match with few chances on goal, but the manager expected that type of encounter and knows the dangers of early slip-ups.
“I´m delighted because the opening games are always unpredictable to call,” he explained. “The day is usually muggy and the pitch is a bit slower so we felt any type of win would be great.
“We looked leggy. The effects of Wednesday night took it´s toll and it took a lot more out of the players than what we thought. We defended very well and we were in control of the game. Going forward we looked a little bit flat but that will improve as we go along.”
Scott Brown missed the 1-0 victory with a hip injury and remains a doubt for Wednesday evening. The manager will assess his captain´s fitness levels this week, though, and hopes he will be available for the Helsinki game.
“Scott had a scan on his hip and he has a bit of degeneration in there, on the disc,” he explained. “Whether we can get him through Wednesday…we will see how he is on Monday.
“He was very sore the other day and it´s not like Scott. It might mean an injection and hopefully that will calm it down. It might need to be seen to down the line but it is not a massive concern for us at the minute.
“It is never a risk when you play Scott but we will work closely with him over the next couple of days and see how he is.”
James Forrest also missed the Aberdeen match with a tight groin, but is expected to be fit for Wednesday night. Charlie Mulgrew returns from suspension while Georgios Samaras, who went off injured after a kick to the face, will also be available.
Roy C
I’ve never been that interested in gongs given out by ole Lizzie and her crew.
Therefore Minty keeping his or otherwise is immaterial to me.
Now a wee stint in the BarL, well that’s altogether different.
EC67
Eurochamps67
re the gongs, me neither, but I bet he cares. The real ‘big hoose’ would be good though:)
Wee Karen famous redheads that have done the Paradise Windfall.
HighlightsfromSaturday CSC
Gerryuk7,
Can you tell WHY Celtic plc should offer any comment whatsoever re the Juninho EBT?
The Club/Board know what the situation was/is. I have no doubts whatsoever, that the RELEVANT authorities know what the situation was/is.
Brian Quinn knew what he was doing……unlike Murray.
So why would Celtic make any public announcement?
Purely to shut up some mob of stupid, “lets try to turn all this on Celtic and away from our beloved whatever we are called now” huns??
Seriously?
HAIL! HAIL!
Token
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 6 August, 2012 at 11:20 said:
weeminger on 6 August, 2012 at 11:10 said:
Well as John Reid said “those days have gone”
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Those days will NEVER be gone as long as Dallas’s finger prints are to be found all over refereeing decisions. imo.
Now, I wonder who influenced the Dutch ref to ban Charlie Mulgrew from saturdays game ? Hmmm
DBBIA – pleasure to meet you and your lad at the weekend. Looks like you picked a good day with the KP century.
Hope you enjoyed your stay in God’s own county and look forward to having a beer in Glasgow in the future.