Last year we attempted to quantify the money other SPL clubs were denied by Rangers improperly registering football players – on the assumption that being found guilty of improperly registering football players was actually worthy of punishment.
Below is an excerpt of the article and figures:
Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or [then]Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and elsewhere. It is patently clear that the game in Scotland is failing fans and clubs alike. It is time for fans of SPL clubs to unite and move beyond the busted grip of the SFA.
Only SPL fans, working together, can ensure each of clubs has a viable future.
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Charles Patrick Tully and John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
That is all i have to say.
hamiltontim
08:10 on 2 March, 2013
16 Roads
Was Wild Colonial Boy not the unofficial anthem of the UVF?
>>>>>>>>>>
WHAT..?……..they steal our Country, and then they steal our songs. …..? ….LOL
67 heaven
The media acquiescence in this lies is intolerable
Couldn’t imagine us being given such free rein by the MSM
Scottish football, where cheats are encouraged and allowed to thrive.
Perhaps this may not have any relevance to anything that has been said here in the last twenty four hours, but a story keeps filling my mind ever since the “verdict”. Over 65 years ago my father came home from the yards in a very angry mood. He eventually told my mother and those of us who were listening why he was so irate.
He had been working in a tight situation on the floor in the bottom of a submarine when a member of the management accompanied by a Ministry Official walked over his prone body. Later on their return the Manager did the same, and to his eternal credit my father said to him, ‘I may be only an ignorant Irish labourer to you, but my mother taught me manners.’ The Manager stormed off with a ‘who do you think you are Paddy’ expression on his face. The man from the Ministry who was English apologised and told my father that he was right they should have respected his dignity.
Plus ça change.
HT – Not that i am aware of,but it would not surprise me. Is the Red Hand of Ulster not the most gaelic of all symbols? Immitation is the highest form of flattery.
Pfayr
I don’t think the players or management will allow defeat today.
BMCUW
Currently I’d be happy if they could spell both their Christian name and surname.
Enjoy Cardiff and stay away from young, nubile, female students!!!
67heaven
You forgot titles in amongst that!!
BMCUWP
Justice ……you’ll do we’ll to find it most if the time …and you know I know …..
However the SFA stitch up and media complicity makes this country seem like PR North Korea ….the leaders team must win …even when they’re dead
There’s a brilliant blue sky and a warmish sun shining down on the hallowed links of Angus. I’m off to make the best of it…………………………………………………Fore.
Hopefully I’ll be back in time for kick off.
A Celtic day.
….pfayr
08:17 on
2 March, 2013
Absolutely……they’re all in it together…..like a pack of rabid hyenas around a carcas ……. But our day came when they were liquidated…..
sixteen roads, see my post at 08.10.
As yon doom monger would say.
Off oot:-)
Hail Hail
16Roads
I remember reading about it but it was back in the 80s and times have changed greatly since then.
I had hair for a start.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
08:11 on
2 March, 2013
….pfayr
07:46 on 2 March, 2013
…because they have no shame….they don’t give a monkey’s about being guilty or not guilty ….their relief stems from the fact that the titles weren’t taken away…..they know, and we all know, that if the titles had been taken away, that would have been the end for them ……their fans would have walked away ……… Justice takes second place in this country again….
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Exactly.
They have been reinforced in their belief that they arra peepil.
Mornin Bobby………………………………….definitley offski noo.
BMCUW
Enjoy yer day oot in Cardiff!
Enjoy the game and say hi to any CQNers you may meet!
HH!!
PF AYR
I’ll call you around eleven re your text yesterday,if that’s ok.
….pfayr
07:49 on 2 March, 2013
Proudbhoy
Look back on this thread between 6-7 last night there are a few links ….also try CFC website
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Cheers mate
Lenny did great. Legend
Good morning CQN
Safe journey to and from the game today
Come on you Bhoys in Green and White
Faith of Our Fathers
Faith of our fathers! living still
In spite of dungeon, fire, and sword;
O how our hearts beat high with joy
Whene’er we hear that glorious word!
Faith of our fathers, holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death.
Faith of our fathers! we will strive
To win all nations unto thee;
And through the truth that comes from God
Mankind shall then be truly free.
Faith of our fathers, holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death.
Keep the Faith
Hail Hail
Squire Danaher in the house. The late great John Ford was a devout Tim btw.
Morning all
The sinister shining in east Manchester and we have a game early doors today to help my working day pass
Celtic to win 3-0 stokes double and gorgeous George
That will do for me
Thanks to all on CQN for the posts over the lady couple of days after the debacle of “fining nimmo”
I was really scunnered on thurs but many ppl on here posted far better than I could just how it felt and more importantly were able to rationalise it in such a way that I am able to keep my bitter disappointment in check and focus on how good it is to be a CELTIC SUPPORTER
Thanks bhoys
Hail hail
TALLYBHOY
Will do.
E-mail you the morra if I sober up!!!!!!!!!!!
Hellfo, are you there BDO / upper Tier tribunal……..come out, come out, wherever you are, the game’s a bogey…….
Oh good god ……. previous post sinister = SUN !!!!
Apple iPhone spellchecker my erse
Why the @&&£ is ogilvie still sitting at the top of the sfa?
The longer this continues the less faith I have in anyone in power in our game. That goes for the Celtic board.
At least our own auldheid tried to galvanise all fans to make a difference.
Maybe as supporters we don’t support enough.
A change has to be made and soon.
BMCUWP – Sorry boss,just seen your post.I am using the wee fone just now,i will email ye later when i am on the computer for def.My email name begins with WestyMcWesty so you will know that it’s me.You can count on me for the shindig mate,if God spares me then i will be there.
Juventus survived a second-half
Napoli onslaught to draw 1-1 with their
closest title rivals Friday, maintaining a
six-point lead after a testing examination
at a ground where they have not won in
13 years.
Juventus, whose last league win at the
Sao Paolo came way back in September
2000 when current coach Antonio Conte
was playing in midfield, took the lead in
the game but were indebted to veteran
goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon for salvaging a
point.
Napoli dangerman Marek Hamsik had
fired a fierce drive over Buffon’s crossbar
before the visitors snatched the lead
after just nine minutes.
Giorgio Chiellini rose above Miguel Angel
Britos to power home a header past
goalkeeper Morgan De Sanctis from a
fine, pinpoint cross by Andrea Pirlo.
It was a first goal of the season in Serie A
for Chiellini in his 15th match.
But he almost failed to make the game,
having to undergo a late fitness test on an
ankle problem.
Both sides continued to have half-chances
before Napoli levelled two minutes
before half-time.
Swiss midfielder Gokhan Inler unleashed
a 25-yard right-foot pile-driver which took
a deflection off the head of Leonardo
Bonucci and flew past the despairing dive
of Buffon into the top corner.
In a bad-tempered end to the first half,
Edinson Cavani was booked for elbowing
Chiellini in the face, just moments after
the Juventus player had cheekily tugged
the flowing, dark hair of the Uruguayan.
The dangerous Hamsik brought a diving
save out of Buffon just before the hour
mark after being given too much space on
the edge of the penalty area.
Buffon then pulled off a series of fine
saves as Napoli began to pick their way
through the Juventus defence.
On the 73-minute mark, he was almost
beaten, however, when he parried a
stinging Hamsik drive into the path of
substitute Blerim Dzemaili who was
unable to adjust his balance as the ball
came towards him at speed and his shot
was scuffed wide of the post.
Buffon then had to be alert to tip an Inler
drive over the bar while Cavani thumped
a late free-kick over the top in the dying
moments.
A question for those with finer minds:
I understand from LNS that had Rangers declared the EBT payments, they would not have been deemed irregular and the players would therefore be properly registered.
I also understand from LNS that the motivation for non-disclosure was keeping the payments off HMRC’s radar.
Would the PAYE / NIC implications have changed had Rangers declared the payments as ‘loans’, or as things stand following the FTT verdict would no tax have been due. I understand that in the real world there would have been a huge stooshie dragging on for years and they would not have attracted the calibre of player they did due to the uncertainty, but hypothetically accepting the FTT verdict could they have declared the payments, properly registered the players, and aggressively avoided the tax?
mhark67
08:27 on 2 March, 2013
Fully agree…I’ve taken it off…..the spell-checker, that is……LOL
bryce curdy
08:37 on 2 March, 2013
I’ll ‘pass’ on that, then ……LOL
This is my first real post and if I had written it on Thursday it would have been my last. Like a lot of fans I spent that night in a foul mood, but have taking many deep breathes and calmed down a bit.
Sevco have no trophies to claim and Rangers have none to gain, so the punishment does not concern me too much. What really concerns me is the lengths that the SFA have gone to protect one club.
When a player is booked for an obvious red card offence the d:ecision cannot be overturned. Presenting the charade of the Commission has negated UEFA interference as they will view that a process was put in place to investigate and punish,, although they may not be happy with the punishment they will not over rule. That has been the end game.
As Renton says in Trainspotting “It’s shite being Scottish”
Hail Hail
If Icould wish three things in the world of Celtic, the first one would be…..
Neil Lennon closes his twitter account permanently.
bryce curdy
08:37 on 2 March, 2013
Having now read your post…he he…spot on….that’s the whole point…..they didn’t declare the payments since it would have opened the ‘tax’ can of worms 12 years ago …… They are all a ‘piece of work’ and, when the UTT unpholds the HMRC appeal, the s will really hit the fan …….the assets will be seized by BDO to claw back some of the tax due….
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I have to admit this, though……..a LOT of thought was put into this corruption behind closed doors, by a lot of people ( people = peepul)
Morning all. Bright here.
Martin42, last night, being with your family and the wider Celtic family, helped me a lot after the last couple of days, which have not been good for a variety of reasons, as you know. My Dad would have loved last night, I’m sure, especially seeing wee Bertie. He still talks of him and Bobby Murdoch, whenever he gets the chance. And Charlie Gallagher too, of course, when I prompt him.
16 roads – neil lennon walks on water.
08:52 on 2 March, 2013
Try poring it into your mouth…I’ll get my coat. !!!!!!!!
LAZEE BASHED TART
08:44 on
2 March, 201
Welcome aboard the good ship CQN
“Sevco have no trophies to claim and Rangers have none to gain, so the punishment does not concern me too much. What really concerns me is the lengths that the SFA have gone to protect one club” and good point!