Last year we attempted to quantify the money other SPL clubs were denied by Rangers improperly registering football players – on the assumption that being found guilty of improperly registering football players was actually worthy of punishment.
Below is an excerpt of the article and figures:
Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or [then]Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and elsewhere. It is patently clear that the game in Scotland is failing fans and clubs alike. It is time for fans of SPL clubs to unite and move beyond the busted grip of the SFA.
Only SPL fans, working together, can ensure each of clubs has a viable future.
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macjay1 for Neil Lennon
We are all Tims but you’ve still gotta call it as you see it. Trying to smear them with the right wing bogey man mantra of commi is a little infantile.
Got to go.
C’mon the Celts
Don’t you just love the suggestion from Sevco that it’s now time to draw a line and move on.
After all the threats about how they could never accept ‘title stripping’. Gives you the boak so it does.
Murdoch 6.49
Can`t disagree with that.
Heroine is too small a word for Rosa Parks.
Top of the morning to you all from a cold and frosty Fife, where the breaking sun is painting the sky pink.
Sorry about that anyway……..
Ntassoolla
23:58 on 1 March, 2013
Big Nan @23:23 “Lord Nimmo Smith did not have to accept the evidence of Bryson or anyone else.”
You’ve said that before Big Nan but say it again.
………………………………………………………………………..
Just for you NtassoollaI will say it again, with a different twist.
In 1992 Derek Donaldson a well-known con man made a telephone call to William Austin Nimmo Smith at his home posing as a reporter for the Daily Telegraph.
Donaldson asked Nimmo if he could visit him to discuss the Nimmo Smith Freil Report which was to be presented to the PM at Westminster the following day. Nimmo Smith agreed to meet Donaldson at his [Nimmo Smith’s] home.
Donaldson then spent £3.0 on having business cards printed in the name of Alan MacDonald (the name he had used when phoning Nimmo) and went round to the Nimmo Smith mansion in Edinburgh’s New Town.
He showed Nimmo Smith his business card, which had the Daily Telegraph’s address on it and say for hours listening to the details of the highly confidential report being given to him. Donaldson also taped the entire conversation.
The business card was reproduced in a front, and two-page centre spread, article the following day by the Sun entitled: “How I mugged the man from the crown office”:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottishlawreporter/5782657530/meta/
Now maybe Nimmo Smith shouldn’t have told Donaldson/MacDonald the details of his enquiry before he told the Prime Minister and Parliament, but he had to believe that Donaldson/MacDonald was a bona fide journalist for the Daily Telegraph………….. because he (the con man) told him so.
Well at least that is the logic that says Nimmo Smith had no option to accept Alexander (Sandy) Bryson’s explanation of the SFA’s registration procedures!
For the sake of argument let’s accept that simplistic logic.
It still leaves a nagging doubt in my mind; how did Nimmo Smith & Co come to the conclusion that Rangers never got a competitive advantage by paying players undisclosed, tax-avoidance-payments totalling £47 million over 11 years?
I have it!
Rangers shareholder Campbell Ogilvie told Nimmo Smith that his old club never got an edge over their competitors!
Nimmo Smith would have to believe Ogilvie because he is an upstanding bloke and the “finest administrator in the game”.
Everybody knows that.
Macjay1 agree on the field matters most. however we have not improved dramatically. We have had a great run in Europe this season. However we have allowed too many trophies to slip away under Lennys control. There have too many weak performances starting with Ross County in the cup, the league loss at ICT that cost us a title right through to the most recent cup exit to St Mirren. In my view Celtic should have had back to back trebles. We have underachieved in tems of resources we have versus the competition. The domestic fare this year has been shocking and many fans will not renew STs next season ; Tuesday being another example of a poorly motivated Celtic team.
Off the field the oldco has died. The newco has bought most of the oldco , however it had no rights over the player assets. With that clown MCCoist in charge there is no danger of the newco registering any success; although a Ramsden cup should not be beyond him.
All the EBTs, Title Stripping is irrelevant for me. Rangers died and a new club is in place. Was Winding up some newco supporters yesterday on a flight back to Scotland about this; they want to change the discussion. The clever ones ( and there are not so many ) know they are a newco and the are easy pickings.
One thing that does irk me is Campbell Ogilivie. He has cheated throughout this affair from day 1. He probably leant on Bryson. As some whom know me I am not a fan of John Fleming the refs supervisor. I am informed he had tic leanings when he was at BT. Although a Dallas appointee he has succumbed to RC Ogilvie ( ” I am the only RC at Ibrox” ) during Ogilvies regular chats to discuss refereeing appointments. Ogilvie is a lot smarter than Peat and will leaven stone unturned in helping the Ibrox club.
At the heart of oldcos demise was desire to equal the Lisbon Lions and beat 9 in a row. This they failed to do and put their club on the mortuary slab. At the heart of this achievements was King Billy. It’s surely time the club stepped up and this a special event for Caesr ( some well meaning Celtic fans have discussed but I don’t hear of any progress).
I hope we beat St Mirren today ; but not sure if the team will be motivated. Anyways I have joined my good lady in London for the weekend , thought I was going to escape.
A double is mandatory this season or it’s another football failure in the trophy collection KPI.
Rosa Parks
A member of a victimised minority who had the courage to stand up for her beliefs and was,as a consequence,bullied by the majority.
In terms of principles,who does that remind you of?
lucky cody
07:15 on 2 March, 2013
Mamma mia,pal.
That`s a lot to respond to.
My perspective.
Don`t care about trivial Scottish competitions.
It would give respect to the organisations which shaft us.
S.P.L. A means to an end.Champions league.No more.
The other comps.? S.F.A. trivia.No more.
Who ,in god`s name ,cares.
Treat them with the contempt they deserve.
N.B.Boycotts damage Celtic.
Nimmo like? Waaaaaaaaaa… Wtf kind of a name is that anyway? He is either a whale or a Mason,that’s what i first thought.I wasn’t in the least bit surprised at the verdict,but i am really annoyed only because all yousins are annoyed ffs. :( danso1888 was right all along,and i knew he would be,but i do not like to be negative,so i never commented atall. GOD BLESS THE POPE & GOD BLESS THE CFC.
Jobo it’s a belter of a morning on the fylde coast, not a cloud to be seen for miles out across the Irish Sea.
Too nice to be in so away oot on the bike for a few hours.
Macjay1 I don’t have your confidence, CFC need to fight back dirty, I doubt they will.
Enjoyed chewing the fat with ye.
HH
UP THE REBELS!
Today is a good day
The celts shall play today
Keep the faith ✊
Big nan
BRTH made a very good point yesterday re Bryson’s evidence
The SFA were the appellate body …if LNS rejected his evidence …then the matter would have been appeal,ed to the SFA who would have overturned the verdict
IMO it’s an SFA stitch up …LNS …is not a witness in the proceedings and can only consider the evidence in front of him
Also …two independent QC s sat on this tribunal
I agree that it is unsatisfactory but believe that Ogilvie and the other members of the SFA cabal have sacrificed the reputation of a Scottish football for a liquidated club ….Ogilvie will go soon …his work is done
We are the the Cliftonville,the pride of the North.We hate the Linfield & the zombies of course.We drink the cider and we sing til we’re hoarse,cos we are the Cliftonville Bhoys!
Glasgow Celtic FC – The pride of Ireland.
Lucky Cody
I could have written your last post ….I agree entirely with you
Perhaps you or anyone else for that matter can help me …..
If one is condemned as a mendacious,fraudulent cheat in a report …..how can that be considered vindication
Where can i see or read lennons interview people are talking about ?
Please and thank you
Good mornign friends from a dry calm East Kilbride where the clouds are breaking as I type. perfect conditions to try to beat 21’30” on my 5K ParkRun.
Feelin confident that we will be back to our winning ways today.
Proudbhoy
Look back on this thread between 6-7 last night there are a few links ….also try CFC website
Sixteen Roads, you’d bring a tear to a glass eye.
Hail Hail Bruv.
Oops, couple of sloppy typos there – apologies ;-)
One for the Australia crew. There was a wild colonial bhoy,Jack Duggan was his name.He was born and bred in Ireland,in a place called Castlemain.He was his father’s only son,his mother’s pride & joy,and never his like we’ll see again – the wild coloniel bhoy! :)
I know its still early, but have the huns cheated yet today?
The battle of the Lennon’s. Oor wan looked every inch the fighter yesterday. If he can instill that into the players today paisley should be a happy hunting ground.
We are all Neil Francis Lennon, WE ARE CELTIC.
Sclaff baw time.
Hail Hail Celtic men n wummin.
Morning,
The zombies had their fighting fund, why dont the fans of all SPL clubs create our own to fight this corruption?
Gregory Ioannidis
@ LawTop20
Celtic shareholders and possibly fans could also have a right to appeal before the European Court of Justice.
swally infered that LNS was experienced and knows his job , he is hardly qualified in his trade to comment on another persons actions in doing their job, and why do them not understand that they were found guilty, its just the punishment that upsets me, though i think most of us in timland expected the sham that it is, i just hope now that the sfa and spl are made accountable for more destruction to the game and its supporters
Time to get back to winning ways. It’s been a season of highs and lows but for it to end memorably we need to advance in the cup today.
Celtic to win 3-1.
ACGR – It is now time to galvanise the troops once more mo chara! God bless bonnie Scotland also,Ireland invented and gifted the water of life to Scotland,but yous took it,and improved it to a different level up their in heaven with the Gods.Whiskey-a-go-go-CSC. :)
hamiltontim
Neil said it was the draw he wanted. He will look a bit foolish if we lose.
I dont think he will allow that.
I don’t think that i have ever loved Celtic so much.It sure as hell feels good to be a Tim today. :)
16 ROADS
I can certainly vouch for ACGR’s version of the water-and it’s not as much water as usual,for starters!
Like many,still mightily -language,Timothy-about the verdict.
That’s twice in big ones they’ve been found guilty yet sentenced as innocent…
Our day will come.
E-mail me on
bmcuwp@gmail.com
so we can discuss late April.
One or two of us wishing to make yer acquaintance!
ASoD
I think it was the players who wanted this draw as opposed to Lenny.
They have a point to make after the LC semi defeat and Wednesday’s poor performance.
Today is the next step on the road to a very successful season.
16 ROADS 0805
This sum it up for you? It does for me,bud!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A68_rTmjQtE
Sixteen Roads, after a post of yours a couple of weeks back I put a little special something aside for you. The last in a long line of special drams before the cellar door closes. The rest is preserved / reserved for young ACGR and myself for that special occasion.
You know the drill dude, drop me an email.
Hail Hail Bruv
16 Roads
Was Wild Colonial Boy not the unofficial anthem of the UVF?
ACGR
It will be interesting to see if the rest of Scottish football are with us on this
I was surprised with their support re Newco in the SPL
However , I think that while many be unhappy with the verdict …..the title stripping aspect as seen as our wish and not really affecting them
They be unhappy at the SFA whitewash …here’s hoping …not sure tho
….pfayr
07:46 on 2 March, 2013
…because they have no shame….they don’t give a monkey’s about being guilty or not guilty ….their relief stems from the fact that the titles weren’t taken away…..they know, and we all know, that if the titles had been taken away, that would have been the end for them ……their fans would have walked away ……… Justice takes second place in this country again….
Proud bhoy 7:47
http://www.celticfc.tv/freeview
HT
It will be a big problem if we get beat today ….could ruin the season
I don’t think it will be allowed to tho
Too any reasons for us to be up for this today ….
HAMILTON TIM
I see someone earlier reiterating my comment about the problems teaching kids the difference between right and wrong. Nae luck fella-even judges make your life difficult.
Hope you and yours are tickety-boo.
I’m off to Cardiff,yeeha!!!!!!