Last year we attempted to quantify the money other SPL clubs were denied by Rangers improperly registering football players – on the assumption that being found guilty of improperly registering football players was actually worthy of punishment.
Below is an excerpt of the article and figures:
Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or [then]Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and elsewhere. It is patently clear that the game in Scotland is failing fans and clubs alike. It is time for fans of SPL clubs to unite and move beyond the busted grip of the SFA.
Only SPL fans, working together, can ensure each of clubs has a viable future.
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Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles
Love a bit of Bill, have you seen the documentary Still Bill, magic, he’s a one off is Bill…
At young Burghbhoys game, Broxburn Colts V Lithgi……….
Looking for a Fraser Forster type performance from him!
@Lawtop20
If fans and/or shareholders could show prejudice of economic and other interests against them, then a complaint before the EC could be filed
Looking forward to the game.hope the crowds feelings come across loud and clear. Buddies too.
Would be great if every fan at every game had a “cheats” or “shame” placard to hold up on say, 47 minutes.
http://t.co/PmUTBCgasH
And follow @splfansunited
Please send this to all decent fans.
monaghan1900
10:09 on 2 March, 2013
Bet these “extraordinary privileges” include dressing up in Victorian ladies undergarments
starry plough
10:12 on 2 March, 2013
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I haven’t seen it but I’ll look for it on-line. I hope that fog clears soon, sunshine is good for the soul.
Anyone who thinks that the SFA went to great lengths to save Rangers is totally missing the point.
The SFA went to great lengths to save……………the SFA
If this verdict went the way most people were expecting, what would have been the consequences for the SFA.
11 years of total incompetence at best.
Maybe even a little corruption
Investigations into cosy relationships with certain clubs
Maybe even a smattering of sectarianism, who knows.
We might never get to know now.
Don’t ever forget the SFA’s standing in World football
or the unique position of the Home Nations.
Anyone looking for justice will not get it here no matter how many “Independent”
inquiries there are.
We might find more friends with those who are unimpressed with the special privileges
that are afforded the Home Nations
southside
10:18 on
2 March, 2013
monaghan1900
10:09 on 2 March, 2013
Bet these “extraordinary privileges” include dressing up in Victorian ladies undergarments
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I think you need to do that to get in the door in the first place!!
Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles,
Both ciders are from the same group but which one is considered the premium brand :-).
If the VW group decided to sponsor Us and them we would get Porsche and they would get Skoda.
MJM
Juventus news ——-
Napoli 1 —— Juve 1 .
Draw was a fair result . Juve 6 points clear of Napoli at the top of Serie A [ effectively 7 clear given the head to head ].
Chiellini played for 90 minutes . He scored a right good headed goal from a fab cross from the excellent Pirlo . Vucinic missed 2 sitters . Vucinic was jeered throughout the game by large sections of the Juve support…
Not the prettiest of goals —- a physical scrap.. One TV pundit said ——- ” I saw more rugby than football ”
There was violence before , during and after the game . Juve team bus was bricked by Napoli Ultras / windscreen shattered / fireworks launched at the bus after the windscreen was broken . Pitched battles between Napoli Ultras and Juve Ultras in the centre of Napoli . The Juve corteo found time to torch a car whilst en route to the stadium . Several policeman injured.
Ooopla !
Not the prettiest of games !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/9371741.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15672375
@garybhoy78
Why were Scottish cup results overturned? If registration is fine until revoked, then registration was fine during said cup games.
monaghan1900
10:09 on
2 March, 2013
Edinburgh’s “Speculative Society” – a splinter group of Canongate Kilwinning Masonic Lodge No2. On the list of members “admitted to extraordinary privileges” one William Austin Nimmo Smith.
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THAT says it all……
I take it the referees report & the police report from last week have no mention of any “offensive” singing from the away support at Berwick?
No mention from Mister Lunny?
No reports of any further arrests, or indeed if any of those arrested last week were charged, or were they charged under sectarian issues.
The carpet keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Just watched the full NL interview snd its his best yet. In the face of a Laptop Loyal deliberately trying to bait him, Neil was mature and articulate but at the same time getting the message across that he’ll not be stitched up.
Can you imagine Ferguson, Mourinho, Moyes or Wenger putting up with these press cretins?
Well done Neil.
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South Of Tunis
Do you think Conte will consider resting players against us?
Can’t see him taking any chances…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/scot_cups/7215487.stm
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
10:29 on 2 March, 2013
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Congratulations !
Exposé of Brother Nimmo Smith on post 777.
Surely the ultimate enhanced ‘podium’.
It’s a sign, I tell you !
Only way the game in Scotland can move forward with any degree of integrity is if the SFA are disbanded.
FTSFA
Baku, You are totally correct, they are getting the crumbs that fall from The Master’s table. Chuck is never shy about mentioning amounts of money and loves to boast about their riches. Strange his sudden shyness on what the deals are worth. I’m still very annoyed at Dimmo’s nonsense (although within next 10 minutes I intend ditching my anger and get into match mode) but the reality is whilst past glories are well and fine its the future that is most important. They have a minimum of 2 more years in the wilderness by which time we will have 4 in a row, with any modicum of good management we should dominate them for years after they return, in whatever guize they return be it Zombies or Zombies mark2. Ten in a row is a realistic goal, providing we stay in the Scottish game. If we leave then we will never have to worry about discrimination again.
baku/black isle celt
10:23 on 2 March, 2013
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Nothing wrong with Skodas mate they are are good car. The point is C&C are looking at their market for potential loss of income from zombies not drinking Magners. Answer, hey presto, get Blackthorn to sponsor them. It’s a win- win situation for C&C, the point I am making is that essentially we are back to both teams Us and the zombies having the same sponsors, something the majority of Celtic fans, I know, did not want.
Be good to get back to the football today but it will be interesting to hear the various lines of spin on their guilty verdict and sham punishment. I hope some of our so called journos keep or start shining a light on it.
However the biggest realisation for me this week was how insignificant they are in sporting terms just now; in my ‘heavily Celtic supporting’ workplace The Rangers drawing with lowly Stirling Albion barely got a mention…imagine that a couple of years ago.
Hope the Hoops turn up today, I’m sure they will.
starry plough .
Conte slapped down a TV pundit last night for suggesting that progress to the next round of the CL was guaranteed.. He said he expected a hard game and would field the strongest possible team . Pressure from the fans may result in Vucinic and Giovinco being rested [ the support have really turned on those 2 ]
Interesting wee column from Glenn Gibbons this morning:
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/glenn-gibbons-rangers-boardroom-the-real-story-1-2818542
corkcelt
10:06 on 2 March, 2013
There is no way this season will be diminished…….this the first season where one of the worst scandals in World Sport resulted in the perpetrators being removed from Scottish Football, where ‘sporting integrity’ prevailed, where corruption was laid bare, where our new young manager took on the best in Europe, and successfully led us to the last 16 ……in addition to that, with a very young squad, he has secured the SPL title and we are still challenging for the Scottish Cup……. It is also a season where hatred has been removed from SPL terracings forever (once sevco go bust also)…….. FANTASTIC SEASON
MHARK67
10:04 on
2 March, 2013
Scotspatfan
Is el Classico on the TV???
can´t see it listed anywhere.Probably on Spanish tv if you´ve got it.
67 Heaven, It has been a great season in respect of Huns getting their come uppance and our European exploits. However from the Footballing side of things I believe a Scottish Cup/SPL double is essential to make it a great season. It was almost a given that we would win the SPL, we will get very little recognition for so doing.
Leftcliktic, anyone from Radio Clyde is dodgy in my mind. Cap doffed to Lenny for not taking the bait..,,,
leftclicktic
10:08 on
2 March, 2013
long haired yins man
Think it was Mark Benstead he’s claiming on twitter Neil was Fine with questions and chatted with him after presser.
But a dodgy character fae clyde radio in my eyes
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Can’t see any reason for complaining about the journo’s questioning yesterday. This is the type of probing / interrogatory stance we have been shouting for journalists and reporters to adopt for years. My only criticism can be they were chasng a headline, not a story.
Now, applying these rigorous standards evenly across Scottish football is another matter entirely……….
Barca game on at 3 but not allowed 2 b shown in UK so delayed full game on tonite so avoid score til 8
Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles,
Absolutely win/win for the sponsors, that’s the whole point of sponsorship. I think the biggest problem for the fans was the strips having the same sponsor name on the front of the shirt rather than where the money comes from. The perception of a shared identity to the outside world was the major problem (to me anyway, I can’t speak for everyone).
Very few people outside the fans of both teams will know about the parent company and are unlikely to research it.
Not perfect but a vast improvement in my view.
MJM
T4
One bet today, biggest of the season Celtic -2
From day one, the whole affair reeked of masonic influence. The way the bank allowed them to conduct their financial shenanigans, the conduct of the SFA, the non-intervention of the police and finally the decision of the Nimmo report.
Guilty but no advantage was gained.
timbhoy in spain
10:43 on
2 March, 2013
MHARK67
10:04 on
2 March, 2013
Scotspatfan
Is el Classico on the TV???
can´t see it listed anywhere.Probably on Spanish tv if you´ve got it.
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The game is (not live) 20:00 on Sky Sports 1
“Sanctify yourself” just come on the radio.
It’s a sign ah tell ye!