Hibernian chairman, Rob Petrie, yesterday told BBC Radio Scotland “Integrity is beyond purchase”. It’s incredible to think that we live in times where this is actually news.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone would go about arguing with Rod on this matter. Kilmarnock chairman, Michael Johnston’s recent comment, “The [SPL] clubs are mindful of a sporting integrity aspect but the commercial benefits may outweigh that” offers the alternative view, but the logical conclusion of Petrie’s argument is stark. If integrity of top clubs can be purchased, what about officials, referees and players with bookmaker friends?
We can assume Hibernian will join Celtic in voting against admitting a Newco directly into the SPL, should such a vote occur. Five clubs in total are required to block such a proposal. With Petrie declared against, would Romanov at Hearts vote for Newco? His previous public pronouncements suggest he would relish the opportunity to take on one of the big Glasgow clubs.
Dundee United and Aberdeen are two other clubs under significant supporter pressure. Both teams are also keen to change the 11-1 voting rule, which would be possible without a Newco.
Rangers, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone (through manager Steve Lomas) have all declared in favour of admitting a Newco, I expect Motherwell and St Mirren will do the same. Ross County and Inverness may fancy adding Dundee into next season’s relegation fight instead of Newco but there has been no indication how either club would vote.
The 7th May vote was the best chance of getting Newco provisions voted through. The more time clubs have to consider the decision the more susceptible they will be to supporter lobby.
I am of the view that SPL chief, Neil Doncaster, will not allow himself to become aware if Rangers have a prima facie case to answer as a result of the SPL inquiry into contractual arrangements until after a vote is taken. Deadline for clubs to respond to the inquiry passed over five weeks ago. A simple check of submissions against SPL records is all that is required. Even if each clubs issued an all-clear, the inquiry should have reported.
Doncaster perhaps has no idea of the flood that will come his way soon and wash away all of these questions. His opportunity to act before events overtake him is limited.
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Monaghan1900-Belanov was the Kiev player who injured TB,he was running the show and word came from the dug out to stop him.A few pointing fingers from the Kiev team identified it was the one with the red hair.Shocking tackle, and he was out for about 6 months after that .
midfield maestro on 15 May, 2012 at 13:21 said:
Right Plaice wrong time then?
Paul67 – What’s Willow heading over to Doncaster’s for?
oops – should have read – ‘owe’ money too either !
Taken the proof reader outside for a stern warning !
oglach – Or indeed the visage of an archetypical Hun supporter
Indeed.
Has anybody seen Eddie Munster and Neil Doncaster in the same room?
Hmmm… (thumbsup)
philvisreturns on 15 May, 2012 at 13:15 said:
Re: Neil Doncaster.
We should have been more wary of him from the start.
Look at his monstrous visage! He has the sloping brow and cranial bumpage of the career criminal. (thumbsup)
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Lulz.
I’ve said it before – until Doncaster loses the decomposing-ex-Ted-angry-lesbian-activist hairdo then I CANNOT take the man seriously.
Stupid, stupid Huns; always someone else’s fault. No accountability for their own actions is the Darwinian glitch in their psychological makeup which will bring about their downfall.
Tommy Burns: the man is with us. You can see him in the grass, sense him in the atmosphere, his energy permeates Celtic Park and manifests in the souls of those who stand within it. God Bless him.
The house of cards is falling down.
Word from the St Mirren Supporters in our Service is theyve been told Gilmour wont back a Newco……
Richie on 15 May, 2012 at 13:20 said:
How come the huns (IA) get a vote?
Great point.
Rod Petrie has not only stated his position clearly, he has put pressure on every other club to either admit money is king, and they have no sporting integrity, or, as he says, they will side with the arguement that you cannot put a price on sporting integrity.
This is the battle for the future of Scottish football and battle lines are being drawn.
It’s far from clear is the good guys will win, but they will forever have the moral high ground(for what it’s worth).
By Roddy Forsyth11:59PM BST 06 May 201210 Comments
The flat atmosphere that characterised the match between Celtic and St Johnstone on Thursday, and Rangers’ goalless draw with Motherwell in their final home game of the season on Saturday indicates what could be expected if the championship becomes a one-horse race, with the campaign effectively decided in February or even earlier.
The desire – even, the need – to ensure sporting integrity is, to a degree yet to be determined, in conflict with commercial realities for clubs who exist on fine margins.
Even if Rangers’ finances had been unimpeachable over the past decade or so, the imbalance in power between the Old Firm pair and the rest would still prompt accusations of unfairness from clubs without the advantage of the Glasgow pair’s huge fan bases and economic clout.
Now that Rangers have overreached themselves, the tension between the desire to bring them down several pegs and the need to maintain the league as an attractive environment – for fans, sponsors and broadcasters alike – is palpable. Stephen Thompson, the Dundee United chairman, his St Johnstone counterpart Steven Brown and Motherwell vice-chairman Derek Weir were concerned about the possibility of a backlash that could lead to their clubs being boycotted by Rangers fans if the five-man SPL board – of which they are members – choose to reject a newco Ibrox club.
The trio would rather take a poll of all 12 members and make a decision that reflects the majority feeling. It has been reported that the SPL cannot attach conditions to a newco and that Rangers could effectively escape punishment by going down that route, but The Daily Telegraph can reveal that there is an alternative.
FJIW on 15 May, 2012 at 13:14 said:
Thanks for that. I would have loved to have seen Bobby play and would have been delighted to have been related to Tommy too!
At least you managed one out of two!
We should not be surprised that Hibernian FC will vote against a newco.
Next to Celtic,I would suggest that they have suffered the most,by Rankers devious ways.
Where would Hibernian FC be today if they were not pillage by the greed of Rankers and the need of Celtic to try and compete with this cheating monster.
Where would Hibernian FC be today with the following players,Thompson,Whittaker,Murray,Brown,Riordan,Caldwell ,then selling others like Fletcher and Sproule.
I would suggest that Hibernian FC on a level playing field would have been a force in Scottish football.
If anyone is phoning the radio shows ,tell them where we would be without Rankers.We don’t need any stinking buns.
Dontbrattbakkinanger on 15 May, 2012 at 13:16 said:
Dyna- Rod Petrie.
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You beat me to it.
Dyna Rod Petrie stirs the s..t.
Bobby Murdoch was my favourite player. He replaced Bobby Evans, who also had that bit of greatness about him.
Jinky was on another plane, but Henrik, and the two Bobbys had that extra something that no other Celtic player had – skills ++. Indefinable, but you knew it when you saw it.
Monaghan1900 – Are you a disciple of Cesare Lombroso perchance?
Of course you’d say that: you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter. (thumbsup)
!Bada Bing!! on 15 May, 2012 at 13:24 said:
Monaghan1900-Belanov was the Kiev player who injured TB,he was running the show and word came from the dug out to stop him.A few pointing fingers from the Kiev team identified it was the one with the red hair.Shocking tackle, and he was out for about 6 months after that .
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You’ve some memory. Mine was probably influenced by the fact that Kuznetsov later signed for the Huns! It was a quite disgusting assault and I remember thinking our chances went off on the stretcher with Tommy.
HH
Paul,
I’ve met the Ross County chairman, Roy McGregor, on a couple of occasions and also know some people who work for him. I very much doubt that he would sully his excellent business reputation by voting for cash over integrity.
He is highly ranked on the British football rich list and doesn’t have a background of shady deals.
MJM
One of the emminent posters on another site has stopped using the term “newco” and is advocating that “newclub” should be used instead. Makes sense to me at least.
hotrodpetriecsc
No to NewCo is Malone19
Those stats refer to total time on the pitch in all competitions for the season.
re. Matthews. I think he’s a good player, but RB has been an issue for a while now. He rarely tries to get to the by-line and put a cross in – this may be because he’s been instructed not to risk it (noticed Izaguirre post-injury has been similarly cautious). The 3-5-2 Lennon employs is veru different to O’Neill’s – the wide men don’t get to the by-line, and we are heavily reliant on the creative midfielder (Commons) to set up chances.
philvisreturns on 15 May, 2012 at 13:27 said:
Monaghan1900 – Are you a disciple of Cesare Lombroso perchance?
Of course you’d say that: you have the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter. (thumbsup)
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I’ve been known to tilt the odd stagecoach! Old Cesare’s not as dumb as he looked.
Well said, Paul.
The pressure must be relentless. We must fill the airwaves and twitter with the question to Doncaster, “when will the findings of the SPL investigation be announced?”
“Where are you, Mr Doncaster?”
The Prophet Petrie is Gods Rod. He is a soul brother. Integrity is beyond purchase. What price Truth- what price do you place on a priceless value that gives life its value? Nonetheless the filthy rotten dogs will still place a price on everything & anything, after all its what these rotten rascals do…like stamping the holy cow with a barcode. Power to the Petrie: we have to fight against the dying of the light- we can never let the sons of darkness cast their corrupt shadow over our beautiful game or for that matter anything we hold sacred & of sacrosanct value.
Never let the cynic profane what we all hold most valuable, as Oscar Wilde said: “A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything & the value of nothing.”
Sandman Is Neil Lennon – I’ve said it before – until Doncaster loses the decomposing-ex-Ted-angry-lesbian-activist hairdo then I CANNOT take the man seriously.
He looks like a low-ranking henchman of Dr. Evil. (thumbsup)
Having both the #9 Enigma and Mo Bangura on the squad gives us the perfect right to pontificate on all matters where the Venn diagrams of ‘hair’ and ‘Scottish football’ intersect.
Paul67
Tomorrow is the key, the future of the scottish game and possibly this country hinges on the decision.
If rangers win their appeal or the sanction is reduced it is a declaration that they are untouchable and everyone else will fall into line and most of us will once again be expected to ‘sit at the back of the bus’ whilst residing in this country.
HH
Despite your injuries you contributed to us bringing the title home
So farewell Big Dan and all the best for the future
Baku/Black Isle Celt on 15 May, 2012 at 13:28 said:
I’ve met the Ross County chairman, Roy McGregor, on a couple of occasions and also know some people who work for him. I very much doubt that he would sully his excellent business reputation by voting for cash over integrity.
He is highly ranked on the British football rich list and doesn’t have a background of shady deals.
He’s not ROB ROY McGREGOR then
i’ll get ma coat
Monaghan1900 – I quite liked the work of Cesar Romero, although the white makeup covering his moustache was downright creepy. (thumbsup)
Ex Ludo on 15 May, 2012 at 13:29 said:
One of the emminent posters on another site has stopped using the term “newco” and is advocating that “newclub” should be used instead. Makes sense to me at least.
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I perfer the more clinically accurate ‘Zombie Huns’ myself.
I was lucky enough to be introduced to Bobby in the Vogue Bar one night,cue a gibbering wreck meeting his first ever Celtic Hero.A more humble superstar you would never meet.Still some great photos of Bobby and the Lions in the bar BTW.
By PAUL FORSYTH
Published on Sunday 1 April 2012 00:00
STEVE Brown, the St Johnstone chairman, has warned that if Rangers go into liquidation and are not permitted to re-enter the SPL as a new company, several top-flight clubs would go out of business.
One of the six members of the SPL board whose job it would be to consider an application by the “new” Rangers, Brown stressed that he had yet to make up his mind as to what would be the most appropriate course of action.
He said that he hoped never to be faced with the decision but, if he was, he would have to weigh sporting integrity against the cost to clubs such as his own. Refusing to grant the Glasgow club an SPL licence would, in his view, lead to a financial “disaster”.
Asked if he meant that some clubs would go to the wall, Brown replied: “I think they would. I think a lot of them are kidding themselves on. One or two of them are on the brink as it is. If they’re on the brink as it is, and they’re getting support financially from Rangers and Sky, there can only be one thing [that would happen].”
In an exclusive interview with Scotland on Sunday, Brown also called for a more conciliatory approach by the SPL’s non-Old Firm clubs to the current row over voting rights. Some have said that they would consider resigning from the top flight in protest.
He says that only the best-run clubs would survive in a league without the Old Firm. “Would you get by without the Old Firm? We [at St Johnstone] would get by. We’ve demonstrated that because we’ve been in the First Division for seven years, but you certainly wouldn’t have the same calibre of player at your club. Could the other teams get by without the Old Firm? I think three or four of them would go out of business. Careful what you wish for.”
Brown says that, if a newco Rangers were to be excluded from the SPL, the economic impact would outweigh any other benefits. “You probably would get more supporters because your team would be likely to be more competitive, but in financial terms, it would be a disaster, an absolute disaster.
“In financial terms, I can’t see how [the other clubs] could possibly fill the gap. The revenue they [Rangers] bring with them equates to probably three or four games against teams from the bottom six. It’s a huge void, both in gate revenue and TV money because it is my understanding that the Sky contract would fall through.”
Donkey thrower is waiting on the BTC hitting and wiping out RFCia before putting himself in the firing line, by then it will be all the Oldco’s fault and Newco unblemished.
It’s a disgrace. When do we see the results of the BTC? come on Hector get the skates on!
RIP Tommy, Bobby and my wee Da.
IMO Petrie has handled the financial affairs at Hibernian very well indeed. A few years back they did carry too much debt but have reigned it back (players sales helped this – but at least they didn’t just take the money in, not pay their debts and tx etc and spend it elsewhere like Rfc did!!)
They have decent stadium although it seems the product on the park is below the expectations of their supporters.
Glad he has spoken out in this manner.
Hope they upset the odds and beat Hertz in the Cup Final
Paul67
If it becomes clear that the entry of NewClub is likely to be blocked I expect most Chairmen will want to be seen to be voting for integrity – could be 3-9
VertWolf
philvisreturns on 15 May, 2012 at 13:32 said:
Monaghan1900 – I quite liked the work of Cesar Romero, although the white makeup covering his moustache was downright creepy. (thumbsup)
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In an altogether different class as a criminologist!
HH
Will the vote be by a secret ballot.
If not will we be told how people voted?
Monaghan1900, 2012
Indeed, Burns was unplayable that night, so they took him out. They were a great side but knew they were in a for a real game. They had 9 of the starting 11 from the Russian World Cup team that summer I think
Yes, – to Noco