“The best hope for the Scottish game? It’s in the activity the fans bring to bear on big organisations.”
“Fans don’t realise yet how much change they can bring about”.
Not the words of a blogger-agitator, the words of out-going SCFL chairman, Ralph Topping, trying to incite fans to revolt against TV companies. In the same valedictory interview to The Scotsman, Topping acknowledged the mobilisation of fans against governance standards at the SPFL, but turned his face to the fans.
The man has been in office for 8 years but has been a virtual recluse as far as the paying public are concerned. Now we know why, he has no filter or self-awareness.
Not good enough, Mr Topping. You have failed to answer any of the pertinent questions (here) and despite the game being brought into significant disrepute during your tenure, you have now briefed the press that you intend to ignore Celtic’s request that matters are reviewed.
If you want to incite a revolt from football fans, you are on track. We’ll do what we can, I promise.
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SFA know that we have no legal redress regarding the dead club’s dealings, and while they could retrospectively strip titles following the tax case they will not even consider it. Title stripping is a side issue. The real issue is that Scottish football is expected to treat the club from Ibrox as a continuation of the dead club and it’s history. That is what should be killed right now.
When you have a contract ,with a sevco director, is Parks of Hamilton, says it all
Embramike,
Is it not a given that the home side have to ensure the safety of the opposition fans?
I’m asking,I don’t know.
Tri
Only inside the ground,
HH
RON BACARDI on 17TH JULY 2017 8:09 PM
First Get the new club recognised as that with no history, then go for the title strip of the dead club
Totally agree. It’s hugely important to get the official confirmation that the club playing at Ibrox are “the new club/company” – as stated by Traverso in his Res 12 reply letter of 8/6/16 – formed in the summer of 2012.
This would knock the stuffing out of the “same club – world record titles – 5-Way Agreement – so you can’t strip them” lie which drives them on. The though of losing claim to the 54 titles (as a maximum) is an anathema to their support, as the new club would have to start from ZERO !
“Going for 55” could in fact be a goal for them but it might take a couple of centuries !
If anyone gives you the ‘company not club’ guff, just point out that according to Company Law a club which incorporates to offer shares as a limited company, is the same legal entity as the resultant company. So when the CVA failed, the ‘club / company’ went into liquidation they were not separate entities.
This was widely reported in the press at the time. Their front page headlines heralded (no pun intended) the end of their club and its history. This was the scenario they widely dreaded before the event – a failed CVA ending the club’s history. It happened !
Celtic and the SFA have copies of the Traverso letter so they know exactly what UEFA’s stance is on this issue.
NB for those unfamiliar, Traverso is Head of UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play
Timbhoy1
Behave yersel
My 2 cents worth.
Five bookings against a team of linfield’s level is unacceptable and Brendan should be having harsh words. These bookings could cost us millions.
Griffiths should be given a final warning and told his antics are not those expected of a Celtic player.
There was an indiscipline in the second half that took us down to linfields level.
I was disappointed in our players who should’ve known better.
TRICOLOURED RIBBON on 17TH JULY 2017 8:55 PM
Check the link at 8:34 – I’ve not read it in detail
Yogi
a wee prayer said
HH
The Exiled Tim,
So why did Celtic refuse tickets for the game pal?
The area where the fans approached the ground was 100% safe.
An absolute nonsense.
https://twitter.com/scotsunsport/status/887017813470322688
Apologies for The Hun link, but desperation doesn’t cover this, the comments are funny , but contain SWERRY WORDS.
Tri
I agree with you 100%, I can only surmise that they were kaking themself’s about getting a charge from uefa, the irony of it all when it’s the players :-)
HH
Yogi,
A wee prayer for yer nephew bud.God bless.
Imatim
Have just read about your brother,
so sad , I hope you get some comfort from all the thoughts and prayers going your way
GBNF
Leigh should appeal and get a Counsel from Arbroath to defend him.
Eurochamps67 on 17th July 2017 8:16 pm
Five fingers and one. Surely a code for what corner Leigh was going to take!
EC67
Ever thought of being a defence lawyer…….blinder
HH
The PLC must have serious back problems.
All that bending over cant be good for you.
And yes….Lets blame LG and the rest of the bhoys for getting booked…..Seriously!
In fact lets blame everybody else, rather than the peepul who were responsible for throwing bottles and coins
I think some may be buying the ‘goaded’ narrative used by the huns which seems to exempt them from any responsibility for their actions.
How the flying feck can you be provoked by a scarf. That doesnt make sense, what next, provoked by haircuts, trousers, or accents.
Ridiculous fkn nonsense.
HH
Ron Bacardi on 17th July 2017 8:49 pm
SFA know that we have no legal redress regarding the dead club’s dealings, and while they could retrospectively strip titles following the tax case they will not even consider it. Title stripping is a side issue. The real issue is that Scottish football is expected to treat the club from Ibrox as a continuation of the dead club and it’s history. That is what should be killed right now.
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I’ve already gone along with this view . They cannot have it both ways saying they cannot strip titles from Rangers but at the same time saying The Rangers FC, the current members of the SFA/SPFL have a title history going back to 1872.
Only if it ends in 2012 and any domestic honours clearly begin from 2012 and UEFA reflect this what Traverso has said on their friggin web site.
God I worked that solution ages ago. We all know now those titles are tainted forever, what is needed is an official recognition that TRFC are not the same club who won trophies prior to 2012. Pretending its the same club has served its commercial purpose so why keep it going?
Then Celtic can ask the SFA to explain using the evidence provided what went on in 2011 in order to answer shareholders and finish Res12.
Shambles. Charged for picking up 5 bookings, one of which was for LG having the temerity to draw the ‘referee’s’ attention to him having stuff lobbed at him. But i have a solution. Actually i have two.
We could either; Use the situation as a vehicle to highlight the level of abuse our players are being subjected to, and as an aside show up the rubbishy standard of refereeing we get. The sports media here would surely support that view, right? Ok maybe not. Or, alternatively we could simply just win the cup, it’s not like we haven’t done it before, and then tell them just to away and stick it up their collective erses. That would raise a few eyebrows eh?
AULDHEID on 17TH JULY 2017 9:11 PM
I’ve already gone along with this view . They cannot have it both ways saying they cannot strip titles from Rangers but at the same time saying The Rangers FC, the current members of the SFA/SPFL have a title history going back to 1872.
Only if it ends in 2012 and any domestic honours clearly begin from 2012 and UEFA reflect this what Traverso has said on their friggin web site.
God I worked that solution ages ago. We all know now those titles are tainted forever, what is needed is an official recognition that TRFC are not the same club who won trophies prior to 2012. Pretending its the same club has served its commercial purpose so why keep it going?
Then Celtic can ask the SFA to explain using the evidence provided what went on in 2011 in order to answer shareholders and finish Res12.
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What make’s you think the SFA will explain anything Celtic ask?
Is the Court of Arbitration for Sport a possible route we can pursue?
THE EXILED TIM on 17th July 2017 8:42 pm
Auldheid
The letter you got has been forgotten about as well you know, like everything else will be forgotten about.
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That does not mean it does not exist and it can be used to end the same club myth using UEFA as the reason.
Apart from a weekend of hunrage and denial, that they are a new club will not be forgotten as long as SPFL and SFA Records from 2012 always remind them.
KEVINBHOY on 17TH JULY 2017 9:20 PM
I’ll take the latter option thanks.
Kevinbhoy
The PLC should ban the Linfield Huns from Celtic Park. That will prevent any possibility of our players being hit by bottles and coins.
They should ban all away supporters who throw missiles at Celtic Players. End of.
People who behave like that, have no place in football.
HH
Jaysus TGM, If the Huns happened to beat us at Paradise and decided to celebrate by tying one of their scarves to our goalpost, I for one would be well bloody provoked.
AULDHEID on 17TH JULY 2017 9:22 PM
THE EXILED TIM on 17th July 2017 8:42 pm
Auldheid
The letter you got has been forgotten about as well you know, like everything else will be forgotten about.
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That does not mean it does not exist and it can be used to end the same club myth using UEFA as the reason.
Apart from a weekend of hunrage and denial, that they are a new club will not be forgotten as long as SPFL and SFA Records from 2012 always remind them.
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Der Hun, The SFA, the SPFL will do everything in their power to prevent that outcome. I hope there is a counter strategy in place.
Sionnach Abu on 17th July 2017 9:20 pm
AULDHEID on 17TH JULY 2017 9:11 PM
What make’s you think the SFA will explain anything Celtic ask?
Is the Court of Arbitration for Sport a possible route we can pursue
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If they refuse then CAS looks the way for Celtic to go
http://www.tas-cas.org/en/general-information/frequently-asked-questions.html
The SFA will not want to go there as CAS rulings on precedents will confirm SFA were wrong and criticise them for covering it up.
Corkcelt
You might be peed off…but would it induce you to commit violence?
I might shout and ball the odds, but would it make me brain an opposition player with a bottle, certainly not.
They have mocked us many a time at Celtic Park…..did we bottle their players?. No, we did not.
HH
The Griff should have hit the deck when the first coin hit him, the ref would have had no option but to stop the game.
I’m sure he will learn from his mistake :-)
CORKCELT on 17TH JULY 2017 9:25 PM
Jaysus TGM, If the Huns happened to beat us at Paradise and decided to celebrate by tying one of their scarves to our goalpost, I for one would be well bloody provoked.
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Enough to justify you throwing bottles or try to invade the park with the intent to assault? Here ye go mo chara.
https://sevco.co.uk/tickets/season-tickets/
Corkcelt
Anyway, shouldnt you be in training for the Masters next year:)
HH
Sionnach Abu @9:32
link not working for me :-(
HH
THE EXILED TIM on 17TH JULY 2017 9:31 PM
The Griff should have hit the deck when the first coin hit him, the ref would have had no option but to stop the game.
I’m sure he will learn from his mistake :-)
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Aye, made the same point a few days ago. If Griffith’s was clever, he wouldnt be so stupid.
It’s probably already been mentioned but we are approaching a point where these ridiculous UEFA charges are in danger of causing us some real problems. It would be nice to see the club defend them for a change.
Perhaps we could point out to UEFA that it’s a cultural tradition in Scotland for Leigh to tie a scarf to the posts after an away match and as he has been doing it for some time now without sanction from the Scottish football authorities then it’s clear the fault is with the SFA and nothing more can be done.
That’s how it works, right?
cv
Ban the feckers and their Bucky bottles from Paradise.
We should not allow these feckers to sully our Holy Ground.
Just Say No
HH
Delaney’s, did you and Ryan get fixed up with seats on the Lions bus to Sunderland?
Gal posted on facebook the bus was full now.
Imatim, may Alan’s soul rest in peace .
Yoguhuges , I hope your nephew’s operation is succesful
Honestly I despair when I read this site sometimes.
Stand up to anti Celtic UEFA? The same anti Celtic UEFA who awarded us a 3 nil victory against Legia Warsaw for them fielding an ineligible player for a few minutes in 2014, granting us another chance to access £20m?
Well Legia Warsaw stood up to UEFA, took them all the way to the CAS. How did that work out? Their appeal was thrown out. They made their point though and made sure UEFA wouldn’t mess with them again. Except for when they had their stadium closed for a game against Real Madrid last year. Yeah they really showed them.
Griffiths was a bit silly but under provocation it’s understandable. The booking was a joke and Celtic should be making that point regarding the automatic charge for 5 yellow cards. But taking legal action? Dallas is briefing against us? Give me a break.
UEFA rules are what they are. You don’t like them? Few people do. But they are the same for everyone.
As for security staff not being Celtic fans. I think asking people what team they support before they are employed may just come under workplace discrimination. Only one step away from asking what school they went to.
Some people really need to get a grip.
Provoked my arse. The feckers were trying to injure LG with coins and bottles ffs.
It is important that whatever remedies are sought, the proper chain of authority is observed, i.e. each step must be exhausted in a logical sequence as HMRC did in their 7 year pursuit of their eventual successful and irrevocable decision from the Supreme Court in the “EBT” case.
It is also important that it is a concerted strategy, i.e. not different groups starting proceedings at random. Some forums will only entertain, say clubs, whereas fan groups may have access to other remedies.
Ideally if Celtic led the process, it would lend huge gravitas to the cause. If they ‘ decline’ to lead, then the momentum achievable by uniting the interested parties would be the desired alternative. Would need a great deal of coordinating and a great deal of time, finance, legal opinion and resource to complete what may be a long drawn out process to get justice.
I have the appetite – I hope many of you do too !