I don’t know if Scotland have ever worn a poppy but I suspect the SFA have been landed in this issue against their will by association with the FA in England. Fifa have indicated it is a political symbol and prohibited its attachment to football shirts. The FA and SFA plan to disregard that ruling and wear the poppy anyway.
Deliberately defying the rules is laced with Moral Hazard for the SFA, which will not be lost on the decision makers at Hampden. For years to come this act will be cited as evidence of double standards. It provides evidence for those who object to its very recent inclusion in football ceremony on the basis that politics should have no place in football.
Of course, declining to follow the FA’s lead would be a political act in itself, but one which fell within the rules.
I’m firmly of the belief that politics (as opposed to values) should have no place in football. I know this is a utopian aspiration, as sport and politics are inextricably linked, but only because trumpets continually insist on making them so.
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Dundalk hit th post
Jose gubbed again it looks like!
Am I the only one who sees Roberts not tracking back and Forrest up and down continuously??
HH
political argument at the same high level as weeman67’s link
Zenit 2-1
Result
If you do one thing today listen to this. Crushed it.
https://twitter.com/independent/status/794260106737254404
Good Evening.
Earlier today I read a ‘Rangers Legend’ howling with fear that Celtic might win ten-in-a-row. Here are my thoughts…
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2016/11/03/stopping-celtic-at-all-costs/
Michael Owen and Scholes say Man United’s £600m squad needs ‘major surgery’. What has become of the game?
Why I Choose Not To Wear a Poppy | Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/assed-baig/poppy-remembrance-_b_2052098.html
Yet, like every year, I refuse to wear one. It is not because I am opposed to remembering those who died in WWI. … Most of all, I don’t wear a poppy, …
I remember it used to ‘poppy day’, whats this with ‘poppy fortnight’? Has november to be ‘poppy month’ now?
A downer.
Watching Virgil in a red and white jersey.
Macjay
I know, still a sore one.
Big Virgil is a stand out.
Another year, another poppy-gate and further erosion of what I grew up thinking the poppy was about. I’m completely ambivalent about the SFA / FA’s decision to go against FIFA. I’m more annoyed about us having to wear a pink kit in truth.
I wonder how many that are supporting the SFA’s stance supported the Celtic support with our Palestine display or our annual famine memorial commemoration on our kits.
Tictaewin,
I’m old enough to remember that, if you chose to, you would were it on the day or perhaps the closest Sunday. There was no minute silence or any other grand national thing, it now looks like an industry, a mandatory one.
I think it’s a great idea.
Just heard on the radio that Scotland will wear puppies on their pink jersey. Nice
New Scotland Strip
ERNIE LYNCH on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 2:51 PM
TONTINE TIM on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 2:45 PM
The Yanks seem to have a running joke about how slow witted their northern neighbours are.
*aye and they scoff at our health care system, well the trumpet does. At least we have one.
QUONNO on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 3:19 PM
ERNIE LYNCH on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 3:14 PM
I am open to correction. Was it not Gordon Brown who reintroduced the wearing of uniforms in civvy street and promoted the idea of an Armed Forces Day with all the jingoism, and in some quarters the sectarianism that accompanies it?
*the same son of the manse that gave a demagogue a peerage just before he left office.
Goooood evening CQN
Jungle Jim Hot Smoked, I posted this morning about 8.30 ish, about our home games, only 1 in November after 1 in October, just as well we have Champions league :-)
Anyway, seen this on JJ site – who is this ?
Tenaka Khan says:
November 3, 2016 at 12:29 pm
Totally off topic jj, but I subscribe to a podcast called The Fitba Hacks in which football journalists are interviewed about their careers.
Sunday’s episode was with Stewart Weir, a name you are no doubt familiar with.
He talks about moving from reporting to PR and the details he reveals of how people like him pervert the course of sports journalism is literally shocking.
What’s even more shocking is the smugness he exhibits all through the podcast, like that of the sitcom traffic warden boasting of standing beside a meter waiting for the time to run out.
After about thirty minutes I was so disgusted that I stopped listening so I don’t know if the interviewer took him to task on any of his statements, but if anyone wants to see the true face of Scottish sports journalism they should listen to this particular podcast.
The Southampton game gone towsy.
Good.
Big Virgil believes in payback by elbow. Naughty but understandable.
Hope we hear from South of Tunis about the old guys uncompromising response to the proceedings.
COWIEBHOY
The interviewer is Jonny McFarlane who I believe is the same zombie who does the Sevco blog for the Record.
Paul you cannot hold values and politics discreetly. They are interwoven within the particular culture a person identifies with.
In Great Britain, the poppy is a widely held, shared and accepted symbol of remembering the dead. It is a cultural emblem, an expression of our values and a political statement, all at the same time.
The poppy helps me to remember the dead who sacrificed their lives for my values, politics and culture.
So does the Mass.
The poppy is an integral part of the fabric of our society.
We must be free to mark our appreciation and respect of the fallen by symbolic public profession.
This is exactly why the majority of British people voted for Brexit.
The shared values of the British; the Scots, Welsh and English are being eroded then shaped by both those who dictate from outwith our island and from their sycophants from within the island.
Everyone should wear a poppy at this time.
The mindless neds and thugs who threaten and intimidate those who do wear the poppy should depart from these shores to their imagined Utopia, whether that be a short P&O ferry trip away or elsewhere, good riddance to them.
For Celts travelling to the game on Saturday, a reminder there’s a World Cup cycling meet at the velodrome across several days as well. It’s bound to inconvenience everyone in transit around the Emirates area.
Good luck to Katie Archibald anyway.
BIG PEAT OF ISLAY on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 9:25 PM
‘We must be free to mark our appreciation and respect of the fallen by symbolic public profession.
This is exactly why the majority of British people voted for Brexit.’
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Bollocks.
It was because we wanted bent bananas and the foreigners wouldn’t let us have bent bananas. They said we had to have straight bananas. Millions didn’t die in world wars just so we couldn’t have bent bananas, did they? And anyway Brexit means Brexit.
A 3 night sleep out at Snake Mountain getting airtime on Sky, we are asleep in terms of PR.
Ernie
You have confused yourself.
Millions died because of their sacrifice in a defence of our values.
The poppy symbolises our remembrance.
It is deeply woven into the fabric of our culture.
Brexit was everything to do with saving Britain from becoming a Euro-Monoculture and a vassal to Brussels.
Brexit was an act of cultual heroism.
BIG PEAT OF ISLAY on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 9:25 PM
Did you copy and paste that from follow follow?
Incredulous that the stupidity over the “poppy” has now reached levels of such absurdity when I read they are making “Poppy Specials” made out of shrapnel found on the Somme & selling at £39.99
It will give the buyer a special feel about the battle & be really humbling said a spokesman
I’m sure it was really humbling for the soldiers who were blown up & ripped to shreds by said shrapnel
Oh what a lovely war
Oh Dearie Me, no what you expect on CQN, but we are open to all.
BIG PEAT OF ISLAY on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 9:36 PM
‘Brexit was everything to do with saving Britain from becoming a Euro-Monoculture and a vassal to Brussels.’
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Yeah, but Brexit means Brexit, right?
MAH
That is no real, it can’t be
HH
MURDOCHAULDANDHAY & WEE OSCAR on 3RD NOVEMBER 2016 9:39 PM
Was the spokesman Del Boy Trotter by any chance?
Big Peat
“Everyone should wear a poppy at this time.”
This time is 21.45 on the 3rd November.
On how many years of your life have you sported a poppy on the 3rd November?
On those years (the majority I’ll hazard a guess) were you disrespecting our dead?
If they invent a new Ploughman’s Lunch tradition to commemorate our colonial past and Help Our Heroes, how high will you jump to fit in?
Thank God I was saved from being a Brussels vassal.
Last Christmas, I ate their sprouts. Last week it was waffles. If we hudnae brexitted it would be Moules et Frites and a decent beer before I knew it.
Thank you, Nigel.
Big Peat, your words are correct read them:
We must be free to mark our appreciation and respect of the fallen by symbolic public profession.
If as you put it we are free, then that’s down to the free whether to do so or not.
Croppies don’t wear poppies.
HH
KTF
UTLR
Personally, I think it is difficult to separate politics and sport, particularly a mass working class game like football.
The very act of founding Celtic was a political act. When the club refused (correctly) to take down the tricolour in the 1950s, that was a political act…
Some politics surrounding Celtic and Celtic fans I find disagreeable – Phil MacGiollabhain’s tweets about Britain and poppies I find pretty objectionable as well as monumentally stupid, and I don’t agree with the far left politics of the Green Brigade…
… but this kind of stuff is as part of our club as the noble Christian values that saw its foundation.
As for the poppy – what used to be an innocuous symbol of remembrance and respect has been commercialised and politicised so that wearing the poppy itself is seen as people taking sides….
Very sad…
Ernie
Brexit means Brexit. Amen.
Italiabhoy… well said.
Big-cup-winners.. absolutely free. That’s why FIFA should GTF.
Look before ye leap Popsters…
In the grey of November when the clouds above hang low and move through the sky with the grim pace of a funeral dirge, the high streets of Britain blossom red with paper poppies. As long as I have lived I have known we are not a nation of people who easily wear our hearts on our sleeves because we prefer to hide our sorrow behind closed doors. But in the 21st century, when it comes to our war dead we put aside our reserve, our critical thinking and like soldiers in their millions volunteering for the First Great War, we follow the crowd no matter where it take us.
Our news presenters, our sports teams, our celebrities and our co-workers all now brandish poppies on their lapels like patriotic bloodstains. Now a person can’t get away without wearing a poppy unless they are willing to take scowls or outright condemnation from friends and strangers alike for a perceived failure to show respect to the dead. It is as if those who don’t wear the poppy are seen as no better than people who trade state secrets to our rivals.
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For me, I can no longer wear a poppy because it’s meaning of respect for the fallen and the motto “never again” on the First World War memorial has been profaned by our wars to maintain our empire after the fall of Hitler, and our modern conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria. I feel now that wearing the poppy gives a blank cheque to our politicians to justify their folly in wars of questionable merit, as well as the needless deaths their sanguine votes for boots on the ground costs both our soldiers and innocent civilians in foreign countries.
Wearing the poppy today lets our politicians off the hook for their symbiotic relationship to the arms industry and their criminal disregard for the refugee crisis. We have lost our right to collectively mourn our war dead if we are unwilling to at least investigate the notion that our military industrial complex might not have our country’s best interests at heart when they sell bombs to tyrants. It is why the insistence of certain media outlets to name and shame those who don’t wear the poppy is not only reprehensible, but jingoistic, and will ultimately help lead us into conflicts that will threaten the lives of thousands of our young like the First Great War did.
Wearing the poppy gives a blank cheque to our politicians to justify their folly in wars of questionable merit
I did not always feel this way about the poppy, but then again I was born five year after the guns grew still on the Western Front in 1918.
I can remember the 10th anniversary of armistice because the people’s grief was as jagged as shattered glass since everyone in this country had been touched by war.
On that long ago Sunday I don’t remember whether the people wore poppies or not because the grief from that war was as fresh and as raw as lost love. Back then the need for symbols to remember the dead in war wasn’t seen as it is now – as a means to prod the collective memory of our citizens towards patriotism without reflection on whether some wars are less just than others.
We understand so little now about the hardship and heartache that my parents’ generation or my generation endured from either the First or Second World War because we are more intent on honouring the clichés of war rather than looking to end the suffering it unleashes.
We are more intent on honouring the clichés of war rather than looking to end the suffering it unleashes
I am old, so I can’t help but look back on the grief from that time long ago when my family and my community went to the Cenotaph to remember our dead. But I also remember with anger how those Tommies who fought in the trenches but came home damaged beyond repair and were left to die in abject poverty during the 1930s. Even though I was haunted by the shameful treatment I saw doled out to the soldiers of the First Great War, I didn’t shirk from taking the King’s shilling for the Second. My war was good because I came back in one piece, but the carnage I saw and helped caused changed me, it made me understand that between nations, between regions and between people, there is more that unites us than divides us.
It is time that we stop remembering the dead if that makes us forget the suffering of the living. So as Remembrance Sunday rolls on like it has done every year since the War To End All Wars ended almost 100 years ago, I will recall the mates I lost during the last just war – our battle against fascism. But I will also remember to do my duty to the living by fighting for the rights of the vulnerable and speaking up for those caught in the great sorrow of this modern refugee crisis.
Harry Leslie Smith is a 93-year-old Second World War veteran, activist and writer. His first book, Harry’s Last Stand, was published in June 2014 and his second, Love Among the Ruins, is out now. Check out http://www.harryslaststand.com and follow him on Twitter at @Harryslaststand