Thanks to everyone who contributed questions for the Forum last night. It was an open, frank and productive meeting. Draft minutes will be distributed to attendees to be checked for accuracy before being formalised, after which the meeting’s outcomes will be made public through various outlets.
One thing which is evident, and goes largely unacknowledged, is the significant contribution made by Auldheid in building the channels needed for constructive dialogue between the club and supporters. Well done, Pat.
I see Neil Lennon in the news being “flattered” after Norwich City chief exec, and former Celtic commercial director, David McNally, told the media he believed it only prudent he keeps an eye open for a new manager, should Chris Hughton ‘leave’. Neil answered well, refused to comment on a job which is already filled, while setting a standard answer, suitable whether he was interested or not. There is no point firmly denying interest in a job as a subsequent refusal to do so for a different position would leave too much information on the table.
McNally is right, it is only prudent you keep an eye on these things, but can you imagine how Hughton feels when reading this stuff, or what the resulting speculation will do to the club’s relegation chances? There is now far too much information on the table now for Hughton to be effective.
A football manager needs authority and respect, Houghton has been denied both. Norwich should do the decent thing and pay the man his contract before they sleepwalk into the lower leagues.
It’s funny how different people read the same thing in different ways. An announcement that a club is in discussions with a couple of existing shareholders to borrow money to provide working capital is self-explanatory in most respects.
The announcement by Newco Rangers this morning establishes that the club needs a fresh injection of money to pay its bills. We all knew this, but the sharp-eyed will also have noted that this loan will create the club’s two major creditors. No bank will lend to Newco, their creditors will be limited to trade suppliers, HMRC and other football clubs, all pretty low values. This £1.5m loan is likely to give the lenders sufficient control to vote through anything they desire, should administration occur. The controlling directors and creditors will be one and the same.
Newco Rangers has been rag-dolled since its inception by various pressure groups within the broader family who seem determined to stamp on whatever green shoots of recovery exist. What it really needs is the kind of strong leadership this directors-creditors group can provide, leaders who will do the right thing, take the necessary medicine and stand firm against the quislings. While others tried to get the club for free, they paid their money, continue to do so, and deserve the chance to run their club as they see fit. For what it’s worth I think the club and its current controllers are a perfect fit. I hope they use their largest creditor status to protect their interests.
Congratulations to STV’s Peter Smith (aged 12 ½), who scooped the Royal Television Society’s Young Talent of the Year award, achieved partly because he was prepared and able to ask hard questions, when many of his elder peers would rather eat their own toe nails. He’s still not uncovered that Dallas Cowboys email, so more work still to be done.
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Sean Thornton 12:28
If you will be in Roseburn Saturday we’ll get a taxi and meet you there for a pint!!!!
NavanBhoy
HT
2nd rule of ‘Smart arse club’ …NEVER apologise.
Whatabout Politics
macjay11.03 (of the 1980 Mariel Boatlift) said,
“The resultant humiliation of US and very decent Jimmy Carter prefaced and probably in part caused his summary departure from the White House and the arrival of Ronald Reagan”
“Nice one Fidel”
??so you finally agree Cubans had a vote,Fidel must have used his Postal Vote in that one as i think he was personna non grata that year.
Told you about that Myopic Idealism! keep taking the Optrex.
Repost of Mon1900 …….I’m keeping the ‘Cherry on the Doughnut’ one.
Monaghan1900
12:01 on
20 February, 2014
FFin’ £1.5M loan:
“What does this mean? good or bad thing?”
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“It means the money has ran out and we need a loan to get to the end of the season when they get ST money.
We’re f****d.”
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“The very fact we are not even in March and require ‘emergency funding’ speaks volumes about where we are.
The manner in which this funding is coming through and what it’s implications are going forward are the cherry on the f*****g donut.”
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“I think we need to step up the protests again, being taken for complete mugs again, need to be more forcefull and proactive”
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“Time to bring a gun to a knife fight.”
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“Will our club ever get out of this mess? Will it ever be the same again?
[The Glib and Shameless Liar] is our only hope,god knows how he’s going to do it but he needs to get control of the club and fast”
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“I really hope everyone’s right about [The Glib and Shameless Liar]. We are putting all our eggs into his basket.”
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“When you have the bit firmly between your teeth and the crie of ‘No Surrender’ as your motivation, anything my friend, is absolutely possible.
Anything.”
Monaghan1900 Sheriff James Irvine Smith was similarly scathing with Rangers’ Directors in general and David Hope in particular in the damages action that followed the Ibrox disaster.
See:
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Rangers+-+Falling+Masonry
eddieinkirkmichael
12:40 on 20 February, 2014
Auldheid from last night re Labour votes in Scotland that effected the outcome of a General Election. Twice; 1964 and Feb 1974 …. Both short-lived Parliaments; total period of Lab Govts as a result – under two years. So it would appear our Socialist brothers have never needed our help apart from these 2 occasions.
http://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/
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I must admit to being surprised at those figures. Since the 1920s though there have been comparatively few Labour governments compared to Conservative governments so the two occasions where Scottish Labour MPs have won the day would be quite significant in the overall scheme of things.
I know you’re going to prove me wrong ……. :-))
In Graham wallaces letter to the sevcoites he frequently refers to the club.
should he be referring to the company
Serious question up for debate Bhoys and Ghirls.
With the whinging that is the so called best league in the world in Engerlund after a couple of penalties go against them in their 2 CL qualifiers in the last 2 days, it is now said that on March 1st this year IFAB are going to be meeting to discuss the sending off of goalkeepers for DOGSO as they are nearly always going to be the last man.
I believe that if a goalkeeper fouls a player in the penalty area in a manner being reckless or using excessive force which therefore merits a card, then yes penalty, red card and suspension.
If however it is merely a mistimed challenge i.e. careless then a penalty will suffice.
This would impact the laws of the game but needs addressing asap I believe.
Thoughts anyone?
Must be difficult trying to cry No Surrender with the bit firmly between your teeth.
See sevconians, see multi tasking. :)))
Rock Tree Bhoy
11:24 on
While TD67 isn’t my fav poster I have to admit that I share your concerns.
Just logged on to say that I would also like to express my sincere thanks and admiration for Auldheid for all his efforts on behalf of Celtic fans in questioning the motives and conduct of those running our national game relative to RFC 1872 – 2012 and the new club. More power to his keyboard.
HH
coatbridge paper bhoy
Will do mate
LB
voguepunter
13:07 on 20 February, 2014
Repost of Mon1900 …….I’m keeping the ‘Cherry on the Doughnut’ one.
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Bahahahahahahahaha!
Well found and well bagsied my friend.
Btw you have claimed it VP but I will be using that gem.. too many Zombie, so much fun!
HH
/Bishop B
Eddieinkirmichael
Its quality not quantity that counts :l)
In a tight election the loss of certain labour seats not only make a tighter election likely but might tip the balance.
The hypocrisy at play does not sit comfortably in principle terms but self interest can usually talk itself around that.
Its not the politics that I’m interested in but how humans talk themselves into putting principles aside when they get in the way of a desired result.
Auldheid you going to CQN10? An honour to buy you a dram and say thanks for your hard work and dedication. Hail Hail Hebcelt
I agree thank you Auldheid !
hebcelt
If Auldheid not attending,I will gladly accept his award in his place.hh
Bom dia.
Last night’s Libertadores.
Our TV didna pick up any of the games last night, but here’s what I can glean from today’s papers…….
Defensor Sporting 4 Real Gacilaso 1
Very much against the run of play Real opened the scoring in this one. However, in the end it was really a question of how many Defensor were going to run up.
Real’s bigger worry is that they now have until Monday to present their case against Conembol’s investigation into racist chanting during their first “Home” game against Cruzeiro. Most likely punishment now seems a fine and all home games played behind closed doors. Cruzeiro (who lost that game 2-1) are advocating a total ban (cynical me says less to do with the morality of the case, than to claim back the dropped 3 pts).
Incidentally, when I looked at Real’s site this morning they had a totally massive 700 “hits” this week !
O’Higgins 1 Deportivo Cali 0
Delighted with this win. O Higgins struggled against a well organized Cali with veteran keeper Mondragon in fine form. O Higgins finally snatched the game late with a “…formidable free kick from right back Opazo….”.
Other notable thing about this game was (obviously because of the formation furoré on OHQN the other day) the O’Higgins line-up, a boring 4-4-2.
Bolivar 1 Leon 1
Leon showed that they’ll be no pushover in this competition and were unlucky to leave La Paz with just a point, something that very few teams can claim. Probably say’s it all about Bolivar that there best player was keeper, Quinonez.
Interesting thing about this one is that Leon bucked the preparation for altitude training normally done for playing in La Paz and flew in at the last minute. Theory being that the effects of altitude does not have sufficient time to affect performance.
Seems to have worked.
Two games tonight:-
Nacional (Par) v Zamora (Ven)
The Strongest (Bol) v Universitario (Chi)
Elsewhere, Curitiba’s No.10 Alex (he used to play with Fenerbache) racked up his 1,000th professional game last night in their State Championship game against J.Malucelli. Alex scored the only goal (a penalty) in the game, where he wore the 1,000 number on his shirt (a custom which is quite common here to mark special occasions for players).
Be good to see Big Fraser wearing 1,115+ next week, but somehow or other ,canny see the SFA condoning that one.
Mair later
HT
I’d like to apologise for my poor choice of language on the last blog.
Dreadful. Go and throw yourself at the feet of the Wee saint and beg forgiveness.
paul
i hope none of this sevco crisis loan is money
filtered down from profits made at mcgills buses
as i am quite sure a fair amount comes from,we
the taxpayer thro the governments senior citizens
card, which i might add i would be lost without.
i believe they have also increased thier fares
a few times lately
so if any of this handout comes from the bus
company it would mean sevco is being funded
allegedly by the scottish government and mainly
inverclyde residents whether they like it or not
VP it was for “Hard work and dedication” do you qualify for either or both?? No prob delighted to share a drink with you. Hail Hail Hebcelt
eddieinkirkmichael
I was thinking surely I cant be the only one who sees it like this so thanks for that.
minceyheidman
13:19 on 20 February, 2014
Serious question up for debate Bhoys and Ghirls.
With the whinging that is the so called best league in the world in Engerlund after a couple of penalties go against them in their 2 CL qualifiers in the last 2 days, it is now said that on March 1st this year IFAB are going to be meeting to discuss the sending off of goalkeepers for DOGSO as they are nearly always going to be the last man.
I believe that if a goalkeeper fouls a player in the penalty area in a manner being reckless or using excessive force which therefore merits a card, then yes penalty, red card and suspension.
If however it is merely a mistimed challenge i.e. careless then a penalty will suffice.
This would impact the laws of the game but needs addressing asap I believe.
Thoughts anyone?
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I watched both games and to be absolutely honest, I thought both ordering offs diminished the games as a contest. Were the ordering offs deserved? Absolutely!
De Michaelis was clearly last man and denied Barca a scoring opportunity – cynical foul. The Referee was totally correct.
The Arsenal goalie brought Robben down and the action replay showed that his boot hit Robben in the shin and could have seriously injured him. The goalie was airborne at the time and had little control over how hard the contact would be between him and Robben. Did he deserve the red card. Again, imo, the referee was absolutely correct.
I would agree, however, that goalies are almost always the last man and should not automatically receive a red card. If their challenge is dangerous and could result in injury to the opponent then it should be a red card every time. The only danger, however, would be that it would then be open to interpretation and honest mistakes by the MIB up here. I could see Sevco goalies benefitting from that sort of circumstance for years to come.
Not sure I get the Peter Smith aged 12 and a half reference.
Is this mocking his colleagues or am I missing something?
Minceyheidman,
Agree. e.g. Imagine a hypothetical situation: Scott Brown chasing Neymar to the 18 yard line in the 10th minute. He challenges from the back but hardly touches Neymar, Neymar goes down as if he’s been shot.
Result : Red card, penalty scored and down to 10 men for > 80 minutes.
Alternatively : Let the player go on untouched to score. Play the >80 minutes with 11 men.
Food for thought indeed.
PS : With the use of acronym ‘s have you or did you work for Shell by any chance.? Excuse my ignorance or stupidity if you like but what does IFOB and DOGSO stand for ?
I assume the latter is not associated with a well known talk-sport pundit????
HH.
From “tin foil heid :)))
Chris Graham@ChrisGraham76·42 mins
Outstanding work from the club to set up a survey that anyone can fill in. All over Timmy’s forums already. Expect accurate results….
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traditionalist88
12:38 on 20 February, 2014
Who’s all completed the Sevco ‘Ready to listen’ survey then…
HH
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I will as soon as I find it :)))))
Just had a peek at the ET and its telling us Sevco are going to engage with 1.2 million supporters , what about the other 3.8 million Challs told us about , who writes this gash !
…….so, what has Auldheid ever done for us? :>)
Anyway, that’s my flights, accommodation and tickets booked for the St.Mirren game in March.
Big occasion for me.
Big brother coming up from London. We started to go to games with our father in 1950.
Daughters coming through from Edinburgh to restrain wife in Glasgow’s shops..and, most special of all, I will be taking my grandson to his first ever Celtic match.
This will ensure an unbroken succession from the founding of the club, via my own grandfather to the present day.
All this occurring withing the Octave of my allotted three score and ten.0
All I need now is recommendations of a good Indian restaurant in an around the city centre, perhaps Merchant City.
Very quick lunchtime post –
If I were to convince my bank manager to loan me £1M would I then be entitled to claim “I’m a millionnaire”?
Would obtaining a £1M loan mean that I suddenly become better off?
Back to workin’ and lurkin’….
eddieinkirkmichael
Well you can definitely add October 1974 to that list, and I would argue that you could also add 1950 as well when Atlee’s majority of six, could be explained by Labour’s net majority in Scotland, (Lab 37 Con 31).
Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar
12:55 on 20 February, 2014
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away ye go ya big daftie :))))))))
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Monaghan1900
“Time to bring a gun to a knife fight.”
They just cant help but cheat it’s just the way they are :))
The Battered Bunnet
From earlier. Are you claiming that the new club pays £1.5 million PAYE every month, £18 million per annum? That cannot be right surely. On a rough calculation, based on 45% over £150,000, that would mean they pay over £40 million in wages and salaries. Or have I got that wrong?
Greenpinata
IFAB = international football association board.
DOGSO = denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
Sorry about that.
ohits make that 498.8 million other supporters- remember it was 500 million worldwide. thomthetin try Cafe India or Koolba in Merchant City,I,m sure you will plenty of suggestions. Well done on that great record. Hail Hail Hebcelt
Quick post.
I see a couple of posters stating a concern that Tony Donnelly is being bullied on here.
Firstly, I’d like to point out that the reson that I first noticed him on here was because of him posting the personal financial details of a woman who doesn’t post on CQN so would be in no position to defend herself.
His comments about her were insulting and completely uncalled for. He attacked her profesionally all because he was unhappy with things that she had said about Celtic. If Tony had had a go at what she had said about Celtic and not highlighted aspects of her personal life then I would have been prepared to let it go. He didn’t and so I wouldn’t.
He then made a cheap and snidey remark that she’d ‘never make it on to page 3’. The fact that a respected poster on here felt the need not only to repost it but to say that it made him laugh genuinely turned my stomach.
I implored him to desist as ‘one Celtic supporter to another’ but this was thrown back in my face.
Tony habitually plays the martyr, victim, woe is me card on CQN and subsequently this has now led to some posters feeling the need to call this out.
Fair enough. However, never have I been a bully and never will I be one.
I retorted in a poor manner both last night and earlier today because he once again got personal but this time it was directed at me. I should have ignored this as worthless and avoidance; I will do in future.
Because, you see, I only posted in reply to what I perceived to be his bullying in the first place.
Tony D
I apologise. I really don’t like you and I know that you feel the same but I seriously think that for the benefit of CQN we now completely ignore one another.
Hail Hail
Afternoon Folks
A Quick CQ10 update.
We still have some seats available for the main event on the Friday night so if anyone is interested get in touch with Paul, Winning Captains or Myself through the usual addresses.
Equally, for those who will not be in the East end of Glasgow on Friday 14th March, we are selling a limited number of virtual tickets for £50 which will entitle the ticket holder to the following:
Souvenir match style ticket
Souvenir CQ10 T shirt
Souvenir CQN Badge
Signed copy of Seville — The Celtic Movement which will be launched at the dinner
Miniature bottle of Whisky
Anything else we can think of to post out.
Anyone interested in the full or virtual package give me a shout at editor@cqnmagazine.com
And I will try to reply in less than 2,000 words or so!
BRTH
will plenty=will get plenty
thomthethim for Oscar OK
13:44 on 20 February, 2014
Sometime a wee post just cheers me up ,enjoy the occasion with your family and thank you for posting.