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JPH
Are you referring to the incident on 20mins when Morelos charged into a Hibernian defender’s back, after tthe ball had been cleared upfield, with what looked like a raised knee? Or was there another one?
I watched some of their game and later on there was a challenge by Barisic, which looked like a leading elbow into the Hibernian player’s face. It followed a typical; Rangers MO in that he went to ground holding his own face (like say McCulloch of old or Aribo yesterday). I only had the benefit of one replay on a mobile device but looked suspiciously foul play.
Both were on the same side as the Porteous red card incident – same linesman.
In just two games
Studs to Kyogo’s heel : NO BOOKING
Out of control, high speed, studs leading tackle – contact made and McCarthy injured : NO RED
Deliberate high studs drive into Abada’s hip : NO FOUL
With respect, looking at standalone incidents in relation to the laws of the game isn’t the point.
Quite often you are likely to reach a conclusion beginning “I can see why the ref did ….”
The debate should be shaped around “I can’t see why the ref didn’t ….”
Far too often this is dismissed as
“he didn’t have a good view” or the old favourite “it was an honest mistake”.
Got to agree that the red card for Porteous was merited, however the point being is you can just see Gollum or Madhun or insert ref name playing on with their arms in the air, declaring the ball changed direction so by default he won the ball, if that was against us.
Sadly refereeing in Scotland is diabolical, with more than a hint of favoritism towards the govan garbage.
Every time we get a corner and the ref has a word before the kick is taken we are penalised and the free kick given against us before the ball even gets into the box. This might be my ‘paranoia’ but Im sure this happens to us often.
The sending off in the sevco game followed a familiar refereeing pattern. The red card is out and the decision is made before the ref stops sprinting. This was a sending off which has divided opinion since but Walsh was so so sure of himself he made the decision in that split second. All the major decisions involving us and them seem to be made in such a fashion. Why? In my opinion its make the decision and thats the end of it. They make the decision and ride out the storm.
The Sevco goal looked offside but suddenly we dont seem to have any camera angles that show any contentious decisions.
Finally, Nir Bitton is a lazy player. Hed rather give cheap fouls in dangerous areas than track a runner. We had numerous throw ins and threw it up the line like amateurs. I expect Bitton in that position should always be an option. Didnt really see it. Not my type of player at all. Loved result away to pittodrie and hope that we can survive these crappy internationals without injury.
‘T
Etims are suggesting that Roger Mitchell has got the CEO gig. Shirley not?
If it was that Porteous tackle on one of our players I would have been looking for a straight red. I put the boy in the same category as Alan Power and Mark Connolly. The sleekit Morelos left a bit on the Hibs defender a few minutes earlier but as Pep might have said, this is Ibrox.
The Liverpool Man City match was an absolute classic, second half especially. We can only dream of putting a team on the park with the talent that Klopp and Guardiola have at their disposal.
Looks like Brendan is in for that difficult third season. He probably fancies a move abroad.
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bloody international breaks, 2 weeks now of worry about our bhoys jetting the globe.
I say that without even knowing who is called up and who is playing who.
I suppose gives us some more time to let injuries heal
THEBHOYWITHMCGRAININHISSIDE on 4TH OCTOBER 2021 10:31 AM
Etims are suggesting that Roger Mitchell has got the CEO gig. Shirley not?
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Where do you read that? At leas I think he’s a genuine Celtic fan, who I’ve heard been critical of the board. I’d be surprised if he was brought it.
It’s now looking like we’re a bit short in midfield. Maybe should have kept Scott Robertson. Getting very good reviews on loan.
Rumoured New CEO,
can you whistle Danny Bhoy, start next monday
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NpgP6d1NrtQ/hqdefault.jpg
I would be shocked if Roger Mitchell got the CEO job.
Just yesterday he was posting on twitter re: dossiers of clubs that Celtic should follow, Brugge & Brentford.
ZIGGYDOC1 & BHOY FROM THE BOYNE
In the last 2 minutes of their latest podcast Monty Burns said he got an email telling him who got the gig. A few cryptic clues and a couple of expletives later it becomes obvious that Roger is the guy they are talking about. Crazy if true.
The bold Roger loves himself, believes his opinion is more valid that anyone elses.
Was a dedicated “old firmist”, he might be outspoken, but he would do what he is told by the PLC.
Reading him in this interview, he might even post on here already.
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Interview: Roger Mitchell on why Celtic will be champions and Hearts will get relegated, and why clubs like Dundee United and Morton might not survive
Former SPL chief exec backs Neil Doncaster in coronavirus crisis
By Aidan Smith
Monday, 23rd March 2020, 6:00 am
Former SPL chief executive Roger Mitchell is now a sports advisor and investor based in Lake Como, Italy. Picture: SNS
Former SPL chief executive Roger Mitchell is now a sports advisor and investor based in Lake Como, Italy. Picture: SNS
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When Roger Mitchell ventures out his front door his movements are strictly monitored, just like those of a maximum-security convict permitted a brief stint in the prison’s exercise yard. “You’re not allowed to leave the house at all unless it’s to the supermarket or the pharmacy and you need an official document for that,” says the man who was once a big noise in Scottish football. “If I don’t have the necessary paperwork, or if I’d tried to go someplace else, then the jail is where I could end up.”
This is the coronavirus as it affects Mitchell and his family on the shores of Italy’s Lake Como and, he says, total lockdown is coming to Scotland.
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“Our city is deserted, it looks like the final scene from a disaster movie,” adds the top flight’s first-ever chief executive. “But we’re doing okay and the supermarket shelves are full. It’s incredibly controlled there. You file inside in a single line and gloves must be worn. Our television news shows what’s been happening in Britain: panic-buying and crazy fighting in the aisles. There’s none of that in Italy. If you get too close to other shoppers – four metres is the distance you must keep – then there are police officers who will forcibly remove you from the store.”
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But, restrict Mitchell all you like – keep him in solitary with only the splendid views of the lake from his balcony for comfort – the truth is you cannot shut him up about our game. He was an ambitious, radical, controversial figure on the scene around the turn of the century and continues to speak his mind in podcasts and on Twitter. Only the other day, when an old combatant from the football press pack bemoaned the prospect of his children being unable to play sport because of the coronavirus, Mitchell messaged: “You don’t get what you want, mate. Unless ALL contact is minimal you’ll have millions dead.”
He has plenty to say when The Scotsman call him up in Lombardy in northern Italy, not least:
l Celtic will be declared champions and Hearts will be relegated.
l Scottish football should not have survived Rangers’ implosion and plummet to the bottom tier in 2012.
l Some Scottish clubs will not survive the virus fallout. “I’m not talking about the wee ones,” he says, “who are well run almost as community recreation centres, the kind I used to be criticised for likening to bowling clubs and for saying they shouldn’t have equal voting rights alongside the big boys. I mean the teams in the middle such as the Dundee Uniteds and the Mortons who are striving to be something – those are the ones to be worried about.”
l He was right about Hampden. “I said it shouldn’t be redeveloped, that the money should be spent elsewhere, otherwise it would be an albatross round the neck.”
Scottish football had never had a CEO before Mitchell (1998-2002) so we didn’t really know what one looked like. The bouffant hairstyle and Buggles specs betrayed his pop music background – a world away from the Ernie Walkers and Jim Farrys who seemed to come from the front pews of the kirk, with some of their pronouncements of the game possibly originating there, too.
Mitchell, who these days describes himself as a sports investor/advisor, was purely concerned with the top flight, the Scottish Premier League as was. To get the job, he seduced with the prospect of commercial bonanzas similar to those won for the Spice Girls and the Backstreet Boys. These bands were big draws, but as he was to discover, the Old Firm were bigger.
Mitchell’s links to Italy are on his mother’s side, both her parents being emigres from Barga who settled in Paisley. He worked there before football and after it returned for what he thought would be a one-off project only to end up staying. His wife Raffaella is Italian and they have two children, their daughter currently schooling remotely at home as the lockdown continues.
Italy agrees with him and he has been impressed by the country’s reaction to the crisis. “Italians are a funny breed: incredibly individualistic but also with this unbreakable link to family. It’s like the mother’s womb and during moments of difficulty like now they find their way back there. Home – much more so than in Anglo-Saxon countries – is comfortable, a place to eat and laugh, and when they’re there Italians can get innovative. You’ve seen that with all the spontaneous music that’s been played from balconies while everyone’s been stuck in their apartments. I don’t want this to sound too cliched but that kind of creativity is a bit like the Renaissance coming after the Black Plague.”
Nevertheless Mitchell admits Italy began by being complacent about the coronavirus. “At first there were jokes. Then came the first case and suddenly everyone got incredibly scared. I reckon from people saying it was like the flu to saying it only affected old folk to saying ‘It’s all going to be fine, let’s go for an aperitif’… from there to lockdown was only 48 hours. The UK have clearly underestimated the virus, both at macro and micro levels. You can’t just say ‘Boris [Johnson] gave us the wrong steer’ because there were football games being cancelled all over Europe and yet Liverpool still invited 4,000 [Atletico] Madrid fans to their stadium. In Italy right now we’ve got army trucks taking corpses to Bergamo and yet there are folk in Britain moaning about the pubs being closed. Everyone has got to take a bit of the blame.”
That game at Anfield was the Champions League, in which some round-of-16 ties have yet to be completed. More and more as the crisis deepens we have to say: it’s only football. But for those of us who seek solace in the game – that’s just about everyone, right? – there are nagging, unresolved issues and silver pots on a trestle table awaiting conferment. Who wins what we now call the Scottish Premiership? Who gets relegated?
“That’s a very big question and just about every day you asked it I would have a different answer,” says Mitchell. “So here’s where I think we are today: Uefa want the domestic leagues restarted by the end of April but I know a lot of football people around Europe and that’s total fantasy. The thing is, the leagues know this, so we are in this phase where everyone is pretending there will be a finish.
“What my friends are saying to me is that at some point Uefa or the national governments will instruct the football bodies to call an end to 2019-20. This will be done. The season will not be null and void. Promotion and relegation will be decided. There’s a formula for ascertaining likely points totals but I don’t think in Scotland this will change anything: Celtic will be champions and Hearts will be down.”
Earlier – perhaps about two days ago in this fast-moving drama – Mitchell wondered if the season could resume sometime in the summer and be played right through to September, which is a proposal some still support and a few cling on to. Games behind closed doors? “Italy’s biggest, Juve vs Inter, was played with no fans and for two days before it there was this huge debate about unfairness with hot air upon hot air from journalists about the fact the reverse fixture had been in front of a crowd. Twelve hours later, though, the whole of Serie A was cancelled.” Football, Mitchell says, has so many “masters” including the hard commercial concerns of rights-holders, sponsors and broadcasters that brokering agreement on a play-on solution would be just about impossible.
So if his Scottish scenario comes to pass then surely Rangers will go crazy and Hearts will sue? “I don’t think Hearts will. I think Hearts have accepted the situation, which is why they’re making these cutbacks. And I think Rangers have accepted it too, although they won’t actually say this. My understanding is that Scottish football has pulled together and realised this is a black swan moment, a total crisis, and that it’s time decisions were made with clear heads and not passionate hearts.”
No longer at the sharp end for such critical choices, Mitchell has reverted back to being a supporter. He doesn’t follow an Italian club so his loyalties have remained with Celtic. How were these affiliations received when the centre of his universe was the demented, divided football hotbed of Glasgow? “Everybody knew but I was professional. Funnily enough, Celtic went to my chairman and said ‘Roger is trying too hard to show he’s not one of us and we’re being penalised’.”
So as a fan can he empathise with supporters of those clubs who will lose out in the event of such a juddering conclusion to 2019-20? “Of course. We should all have sympathy there. But I think I’ve got slightly more sympathy for the guy down the road from here whose mother has just died. This isn’t a question of right or wrong but of the least terrible.”
He reflects on his time in charge of Scotland, although as he says, he didn’t really hold the power: “I couldn’t do anything unless I got 11 out of the 12 clubs in the SPL to agree. Celtic and Rangers were given a veto if they acted together. The cornerstone of everything in Scottish football at that time was the Old Firm’s ability to say no. I knew that but I underestimated it.”
He thinks he was “well-liked” beyond the Old Firm with whom he spent much time “begging, teasing and horse-trading”. The future seemed to be dotcom with sports rights “going through the roof” and the league were all set to benefit, but after 9/11 everything went the other way – “through the floor”. Crucially, a £45 million Sky deal was rejected. Mitchell had a dream for our game’s own showcase: SPL TV. “For six months the Old Firm were right behind the idea and then at the 11th hour they stepped away. At that moment they believed they could break into English football.” Soon after, Mitchell resigned.
Viewing Scotland from the other side of the lake and the seas in between he thinks Neil Doncaster is doing a more than decent job in his old role. “The virus isn’t the first black swan to come his way. There was the collapse of Setanta and then there was the collapse of Rangers. Scottish football should not have survived them going into liquidation but it did. Neil’s still there. He still seems to have the faith of the clubs.”
Mitchell returns to more urgent matters. “It’s a probability game with this virus – it’s everywhere. Nothing will be the same after it’s gone and that includes football.” So presumably he is glad not to be involved in football with all those head-exploding decisions confronting those who run it? “In a way, yes, but I have to admit I love crisis management. I enjoy those moments when you can say to someone: ‘You know, you’re talking absolute rubbish. This is the way we’re going to do it… ’ ”
JIMDOM @ 10:37 AM
If it was that Porteous tackle on one of our players I would have been looking for a straight red
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Cheers Jimdom.
And let me be clear. So would I
But the key here is … we wouldn’t get what we were looking for.
ZIGGYDOC1
We’ve been short in midfield, since transfer window closed, when we lost 3 and brought in 1.
I would have thought that’s why.
Still can’t get over how brazen both refs were in favouring the huns yesterday. Shameless. Shameful.
I watched the game live and also the highlights on Sportscene (mainly to see the Hibs game)
My observations from the live game were:
1st half , decent shape and chances made but Bitton and McGregor not offering much going forward, Turnbull still lethargic but great cross for the goal
2nd half, disrupted by the increased physicality of Aberdeen plus their diving. Lost heart a bit after the goal but having penetration from Rogic and forward drive from Monty got us though (Monty not great defending)
Watching Sportscene was great as I thought Foster gave much better insights than Walker did live(no surprise):
He highlighted occasions where we had the opportunity to double up/overlap their fullback but went back inside. Was saying that out second goal was on several times
Pointed out that Monty jumped forwards on the line which is the only thing he got wrong
Overall he thought we deserved it. Good pundit
On the Hibs game, I am in the camp of Porteous being in the wrong. I probably would have booked but can see why it was a red. Remember the Cosgrove one on Ajer when he hit the ball full square with no studs? Straight red. Fighting the wrong battle here lads. I’ve been hit by tackles like that with my foot planted in a block tackle. The sensation and pain is scary. Luckily for me it went away but initially I thought may shin bone had split. Can’t stand players who tackle like that
Moving the post count on from 666
BHOY FROM THE BOYNE on 4TH OCTOBER 2021 11:14 AM
I would be shocked if Roger Mitchell got the CEO job.
Just yesterday he was posting on twitter re: dossiers of clubs that Celtic should follow, Brugge & Brentford.
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In terms of punching above their weight, would the current success of these clubs not suggest that they’re doing something right ?
You don’t think we could learn from them?
You think the current custodians are doing a good job growing the club and fulfilling its potential?
On to 668, the Neighbour of the beast
Bobmortimercsc
Being an oldie, I have not a clue who Roger Mitchell is. A bit anxious if all the negative reports on here are true. Is it another DD decision?
On another point, many have made comments about Madman and Clancy recently. oh and Walsh also. Will refrain from saying what I think of them to ask a question. Does anyone really know what is a foul anymore. I have watched, English, French and Italian football recently and it is difficult to know what is and is not an offence any more. Appears that refs just make up their minds as they go along. One minute an action is a foul and the next minute it is not. FIFA have a lot to answer for by changing the rule on this. What do others think? Oh, and still think Madman, Clancy (the St Als boy) and others referee our games differently.
Young Mr Walsh was very quick into his pocket for the red, Beaton-quick you could say.
It was a no-contact – albeit lusty – yellow. But with Aribo sending in his Oscar nomination little Nick curried no consultation with his linesman favour to keep his officiating seniority tracking on the right trajectory.
A reminder that the game is rigged, with many parties – many close to home – helping the Hun reHab.
BANANAREPUBLICANSCSC
unique angle goals
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444970642491772932
not a reckless off the ground dangerous lunging tackle whatsoever, no siree.
would not have affected the result anyways.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444703274582650883
SAINT – Andy ‘Summer’ Halliday’s attempted ankle-cracker was way more of a red than Porteous’ reckless fresh-air effort to dis-possess Aribo. Young Joseph was at the pain-feign. God, I hate that mongrel mob.
RT @Tomtheleedstim Ran2ers last red card in the league was on 29 Dec 2019 – almost two years ago. Since then they have had 4 players dismissed in the Europa League. They are being refereed *differently* in Scotland.
SAINT STIVS on 4TH OCTOBER 2021 11:49 AM
unique angle goals
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444970642491772932
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interesting angle on our celebrations and the bottle thrown. We were in front of their fans , not ours initially and Ralston seems to do a GIRUY; quickly followed by the bottle plus a plea for calm from Kyogo
C12,
I think a foul is any offense in which a rangers player might be challenged for the ball, or indeed if an opposition player thinks of challenging for the ball.
Just thinking it, intending to do it, or to shadow box in the tunnel in proximity to a rangers player shall indeed result in a red card.
Squire Danaher @ 11:40
I don’t disagree with any of the questions you asked.
I just can’t see how Roger Mitchell is our CEO in waiting when he publicly analysing our club on twitter, as recently as yesterday.
CONEYBHOY on 4TH OCTOBER 2021 11:56 AM
SAINT STIVS on 4TH OCTOBER 2021 11:49 AM
unique angle goals
https://twitter.com/i/status/1444970642491772932
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interesting angle on our celebrations and the bottle thrown. We were in front of their fans , not ours initially and Ralston seems to do a GIRUY; quickly followed by the bottle plus a plea for calm from Kyogo
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I thought it a wee bit stupid of our players to run into the aberdeen corner, some of it might have been over exhubabrance because of the treatment being given to kyogo, however I did think go celebrate in front of our supporters.
wee kyoto, picking up the bottle, and giving the calm down hand gesture was a cultural difference for sure.
BHOY FROM THE BOYNE
Etims claim he’ll be appointed in the next 4-6 weeks. It’s their claim. I have no idea who Monty’s sources are nor indeed their reliability.
Cheating of the highest order from Stevie Goebbels and herr hun yesterday. In tandem, the toadying match officials rubberstamp the theatrics. Hibs are the most aggrieved and they along with four other clubs in Scotland are already talking about shaking things up in Scottish football and Celtic needs to be at the table.
SAINT STIVS on 4TH OCTOBER 2021 11:52 AM
Two comments down on that link, “the last time they needed money” video…this is where this is going. Any chance of them slipping up, help is given. Any chance we get of momentum, barrier is created.
Like a reflection of years of discrimation taking place in society.
BHOY FROM THE BOYNE on 4TH OCTOBER 2021 12:02 PM
If it’s a public pitch by him for the job, I don’t think he understand our current custodians.
I haven’t seen his reported comments but wouldn’t think they would be open to such public courting.
that Roger Mitchell tweet,
RP Mitchell
@RPMComo
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18h
There should be 2 dossiers before the Board at Celtic plc.
“What they do and we don’t” is the heading of both reports.
First one Brugge
Second Brentford.
Both clubs would be considered by most Celtic fans as “not as big as us”.
How quaint.