Dundee are nine points adrift at the bottom of the SPL but made a good fist of it against Celtic last night, after a rocky start. They held their own for a good 30 minutes either side of the interval. They are clearly the worst team in the league but they are a pretty decent worst team. Armageddon-SPL is strong at the bottom end.
You and I know the Celtic support, as a group and to any statistically significant level, are vastly better behaved than any supporters of any other large football club. This is a source of enormous pride but comes at a cost. Over 20 years later you will still hear about fruit thrown by one idiot, I do. This is a good thing. It means that there has been little to talk about these past 20 years.
When you benefit from the greatest reputation in football you are held to the highest standards. No one will blame Chelsea fans when we drop the ball. I’ve heard no reports of damage or injury at Dens last night, but 20 years from now someone will tell you what was said by a representative of Dundee today. This will be a good thing.
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Fess19,
I am no fan of Thatcher, but to call her a dictator is simply wrong. She was democratically elected three times (twice with three-figure majorities) – whether we like it or not she was popular with large sections of the British public.
On the Falklands, it’s true Britain missed clear signals that Argentina was going to pull a stunt of some sort, but I suspect this is more cock-up than conspiracy. Regaining the islands after they were invaded was a high-risk military manoevre, with the real possibility of failure and national humiliation. No way IMHO that Thatcher would have knowingly gambled in this way.
On this morning’s news… one wonders, however, why her correspondence with Jimmy Saville has been censored…
So Maggie gave Sir Jimmy Savile half a million to continue abusing young lassies from Stoke Mandeville. Not making light of it but from the correspondence between the two, she was more of a pimp than a madam. From the correspondence the question arises did Sir Jimmy make a pass at her and from the subsequent reward ..did she like it ?
HH
Whither the cash strapped scrofulous hillbillies the day?
Italiabhoy
Hitler, Stalin, Mussilini …
All democratically elected
http://conservapedia.com/List_of_dictators
Loads more
HH
Chairbhoy,
Militarily, the Falklands campaign was an impressive success. British forces were operating thousands of miles from home, supply lines were stretched, and the Argentinians were dug in. To retake a scattered archipelago with so few casualties was a considerable military achievement.
Poltically, it was a mess. Carrington resigned because the FCO missed the signals that an invasion was imminent. Nott resigned because he was not temperamentally cut out for the job of defence secretary in the cold war (see his infamous TV interview with Robin Day).
As for international support, Britain had plenty. But I would never use the UN as a barometer of morality in international affairs… (this is the organisation that had, until recently, Syria sitting on its Human Rights Council).
Britain’s post-war decline can be attributed to many things, but the Falklands is not one of them. Indeed, the country is a significantly wealthier and healthier place than it was in 1982, so the “decline” narrative needs to be placed in context.
jake the snake @celticservant
Dundee security adviser Jim Thompson knowingly put peoples lives at risk by breaking his own stadium rules. SPL charge?
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Awe Naw..
Stalin????? Democratically elected? By whom?
Sorry, specious comparison. Thatcher may have been many things, but a genocidal, anti-semitic, dictator she was not.
Maybe they are the same club after all…
FRAN SANDOZA last night revealed how he was advised on day one at Rangers not to cross himself before matches.
The Ibrox striker told a Spanish newspaper: “Am I a Catholic? I’m not talking about that. But is it strange to play for a Protestant club? That is not something football is concerned about.
“But on my first day the people at the club advised me not to cross myself before the start of matches. That helps to avoid misunderstandings but it is not a topic that bothers me much.”
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But on my first day the people at the club advised me not to cross myself before the start of matches
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Fran Sandoza
Sandaza also reveals in the interview that he considered returning to Spain during the summer, but clubs couldn’t match what Rangers were offering.
He said: “I wanted to see whether the door was open for me to make a return to Spain, and I got some offers from clubs. But once I saw what Rangers were offering me I stepped back from those clubs.”
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
08:01 on
I’d wholeheartedly agree with you on the need for facts as a foundation on which to build an understanding of any given incident.
Interestingly Thatcher paid tribute to Pinochet for his help in securing the war with Argentine. Pinochet as everyone will recollect was, like Thatcher, a less than benign leader of his people who used murder, torture and interment to uphold his authority.
Sometimes politicians find it expedient not to let facts get in the way.
Indeed, this morning I’m intrigued by what was redacted in the exchanges between Thatcher and Jimmy Saville – I hope I’m around in 10 years when they’re revealed.
ItaliaBhoy@08:57
That should be headlines on every newspapers front page in the country
Ah now we are getting to specifics. I feel if I was to continue this debate with you. You would become more and more specific rather than the easily issued unanalysed soundbites. I wilk leave you to your very unspecific tub thumping and yes Technically Josef Stalin was democratically elected just like George Bush. For the record I was not impressed by the Falklands military operation and quite a few other aspects of your lazy analysis. I fear a series of repetive posts
Hail Hail
Sandaza in it only for the money shockerooni.
Thatcher a whoring pimp.
Todays headlines …are we shocked ?
HH
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol%C3%A1s_Castillo
I know its only wiki but where has this come from?
Murdochbhoy, yermanfromMK
09:01 on 28 December, 2012
Thatcher accepted the help of Pinochet and subsequently offered personal assistance to him.
We both know Pinochet was another fascist dictator whose military performed hideous acts against anyone who deviated from the anti socialist path.
As Churchill said: If the devil came out against Hitler,I would at least give him an honourable mention in the House of Commons.
Any port in a storm.
Re.Savile.
Who knew he was other than a wacky harmless D.J.,apart from his victims?
Thatcher?
I’m sitting in Sydney watching the Melbourne Victory Newcastle Knights game on tv. A 21 year old Kiwi (attacking midfielder) called Marco Rojas has just scored a cracker and set up a second. Apparently he’s scored 8 and had 5 assists in the first 12 games and he’s out of contract at the end of the season. Someone should take a look at him
The BBC
The Police
Fleet Street
It will all come out in the was.
The Queen was always suspicious of Thatcher. She had more access to the pertinent information than we did but she could not speak out. She was more of a tim than some on here. LOL
HH
Italiabhoy @ 08:52,
Your observations on the Military campaign are spot on – IMO.
It is stated today something we all knew, Mrs Thatcher did not know if this Campign could be successful.
She was perfectly prepared to take the huge risk that no Military tactician (all of whom would have known what was written in ‘The Art of War 3,500 years earlier) would undertake – such a leap in the dark, making it up as they went along unless it was a do or die mission.
It was a failure of intelligence, a failure of diplomacy, in all a failure of Government, it was for them and them alone a do or die mission. Briish Forces, Islanders and Argentiians life’s were risked to save the Conserative Government and Mrs Thatcher’s political life (btw they were deeply unpopular at the time.)
The exceptional bravery of exceptional men brilliantly trained saved the day and after that for a decade Mrs Thatcher could do know wrong, she circumvented her Cabinet including her talented Chancellor to ensure her extreme and wrong minded views and policies were implemented.
I was their, I watched the news and read numerous reports and opinions – I was not convinced by the spin at the time nor will I be now with revisionist commentary.
Things were far from perfect in the early eighties but we were a world power with signifiacant resources and huge potential, we are now a second division state struggling to keep our place.
When we are at the 50th anniversary we will be a third division country struggling to keep our place.
That my friend in Celtic is decline.
HH
Up & in to work as half the world (Glasgow anyway) sleeps..
Quick look at papers and radio on…
As discussed yday MSM in full undermine mode..
Shortie leads( I don’t even bother with Snyde) with Mc Leish love fest! Unreal.. A former manager and they still talk bout him
Next up – (Glasgow ) Herald.. FRONT page Top. Celtic fans shamed.boxing day disgrace…They rip in to us.. Yet on closer reading the actual story is 4 drunken fans and some fireworks..
I take great heart now because I can see emerging in this continual establishment bitterness their level of hurt..
The Hibs game on BBC alba I hear?
HH
niallo83
09:24 on 28 December, 2012
Interestingly enough,I`ve been hearing about him too.
Certainly worth a look.
Macjay1,
To be honest I haven’t seen a lot of him but someone of that age, with those stats and almost out of contract might be worth a punt. Particularly if Paddy is leaving!!
From the FIFA website
Rangers go under
14 June
Rangers’ perilous financial position had been an open secret but there was still shock when, after 140 years of history and a world record 54 league titles, the club was consigned to liquidation in mid-June. The Glasgow giants were subsequently reformed as a new company and granted entry to the Third Division, Scotland’s fourth tier, which they currently lead by nine points with a game in hand.
Good morning friends from a very wet and wild East Kilbride. Off to Mrs Baldie’s cousin’s wedding today (bet she’s delighted with the weather) but my turn for driving duties.
Hope Santa was good to everyone.
ArranmoreBhoyLXV11 – full rerun of tomorrow’s game on Alba at 6.00 I believe.
Chairbhoy,
We are wealthier and healthier now than we were 30 years ago. That IMHO is more important than having 10 aircraft carriers and a standing army that could invade East Germany at three hours notice.
In the future, countries will be judged on how many opportunities they offer their citizens, how they support those who succeed, and protect those who fail.
In military terms countries like Britain, France, Germany, Australia, Japan etc will be insignificant. Each will be under a friendly military umbrella (in our case, the USA’s, or possibly the EU’s if it ever gets its act together).
The era of Britain being the predominant military power in the world ended sometime before 1914.
All these Thatcher posts. I thought she was dead. Oh well.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
09:21 on
You’ll have to forgive me if I suggest your stance on this has become a little contorted…., in your original post you spoke of principalled stances taken and now you talk of ‘any port in a storm’.
Jimmy Saville’s ‘preculiarities’ were well known and whispered about for many years – I’d be very surprised if Thatcher hadn’t been well briefed,
I have to take my leave just now but perhaps we can pursue this on another day.
Chairbhoy
09:26 on 28 December, 2012
Italiabhoy @ 08:52,
Your observations on the Military campaign are spot on – IMO.
It was a failure of intelligence, a failure of diplomacy, in all a failure of Government, it was for them and them alone a do or die mission. Briish Forces, Islanders and Argentiians life’s were risked to save the Conserative Government and Mrs Thatcher’s political life (btw they were deeply unpopular at the time.)
Why did Michael Foot and the overwhelming majority of Labour M.P.s vote with Thatcher to send the task force?
They also wanted to save the Conservative govt.??
Having been victorious,why did Thatcher wait for one year before calling an election?
Thatcher risked Argentinian lives?
Now that beggars belief.
Jobo Baldie 0936
Thanks for that.. And the weather report.. I m slightly downhill of you and it’s wicked here.. Beats the snow though..
And the wedding.. Enjoy..
Watch there s no fireworks or the papers will report it…
Re the game on alba. I m reminded of the Likely Lads( one from the past)wanting to watch match and avoiding score ALL day only to be told as they sat down to watch the highlights… ” don’t worry, there were no goals!”
I ll warn all the AB clan tomorrow – no score updates-and think ill go for the ” live” event.
HH and thanks..and let me know if EK floods cos I’m DOWN the hill and will need to get the ark ready!!
HH
Murdochbhoy, yermanfromMK
09:43 on 28 December, 2012
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
09:21 on
You’ll have to forgive me if I suggest your stance on this has become a little contorted…., in your original post you spoke of principalled stances taken and now you talk of ‘any port in a storm’.
You`re right.
Can`t argue with that point.
Normanstreet – from last night – didn’t see your reply – went to bed – limiting my posting and reading time these days – your Dad was obviously a discerning man! YOu won’t regret reading it. In fact I have spent a good part of the holiidays reading it again for the umpteenth time. It is depressingly relevant almost 100 years on – you’ll know what I mean when you get to certain chapters.
As I say it’s free on Kindle if you are in to such things – I found out because my daughter got one for Christmas and I was messing around on it (being a luddite myself I never wanted her to get one but I have to say it is an amazing bit of kit – even if it is produced by tax dodgers!)
Off to see what else I can get for nowt on amazon…. that way when they don’t pay their tax it doesn’t matter to me………
Not the ol’ Falklands debate …
So has the media sold off our entire first team yet? And how many SPL “stars” are set to sign for a new fourth tier club that is under a transfer embargo?
It’s hard to tell which club sits first in the top division and is in the last 16 of the Champions League.
Thatcher popping her clogs before 31st december would round of a memorable year
niallo83
09:34 on 28 December, 2012
We`ll keep an eye on him.
Cheers,pal.
Gordon j. The herald is urging hooper to leave this morning. Several outlets allowing Sevco players to tap up former colleagues in the spl. Sigh….
ArranmoreBhoyLXV11 –
Can’t see me avoiding the score but will still watch the rerun at 6.00 regardless.
gordon_j 0948
With you on that.. As I said slightly earlier, my early morning perusal and listen tells me I live in Sevco town. Unreal ..
Would be funny to win the champions league if only to watch the MSM report it..
As I said yday, Snyde opened SSB with SEVCO top SFL 3..
Incredible. This time last yr NO member of the MSM could ve named the SFL 3 Teams..
We just have to keep highlighting it, if only for our sanity..
……SSB…
Open with.. Sevco hope to sign teenage wonder from accrington stanley, on 7 day trial…
AND we look back on last nights match when Celtic beat Real Madrid,in a backs to the wall final, on penalties after extra time, to lift the champions league trophy ..
We reflect on their narrow victory..
Honestly WE can write the scripts..
HH
ItaliaBhoy,
Indeed – the usual even handed reporting.
And I see The Rangers have called Sandaza a liar over the reports that he was told not to cross himself. No story there then …
Something more light hearted for those who are on a Christmas Ceasefire where Politics is concerned (oh yes, even Roberttressell takes a break now and then – so if you are about Philvis or the singing detective we could have a virtual kick about in virtual no mans land…)
Books that have changed you, influenced you, made you do something, go somewhere, inspired you, woke you up or just a book that you loved so much for it’s literary beauty?
Me? Well, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists is too obvious (although it did), Grapes of Wrath, it’s American Cousin blew me away, and a little book called “Introducing Liberation Theology” by Leonardo Boff probably most of all. All read in my early twenties and all still informing me in some way or another.
(Jeezo, even when I am not being political I get political……)
I’d love to know – I want to read more this coming year……
Right, house to straighten out before I return to see if anyone has responded……..
Does the CQN book club still exist?
Good morning CQN.
celtic mac
02:17 on
28 December, 2012
moonbeans
I will never, on here, repeat any kind of sectarian references made by some of the Celtic support. Not ever! Feel free to live a life of denial, that is your choice. I said it was alcohol fuelled, Celtic FC have apologised, nobody asking you to.
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Celtic FC have not apologised for any sectarian references or songs being sung. Now you are just making things up. Otherwise known as lying.
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Now stop being a sanctamonious git and back up your allegations of sectarian references you so heard on live TV.
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Also. Why do you feel the need to give yourself credibility by announcing that you used to as a kid stand outside the pub oldtim67 drank in with your juice and crisps? Who cares.
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Also. Most supporters I know watched the Rennes game. You appear to go out your way to listen to telivised Celtic games.
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So lets hear it.
Give mea time and I will listen back to the game blind folded so I am not distracted by the Hoops and I will go out of my way putting everything I have into hearing any sectarian singing/references.
I’m not asking you to openly state what they are. Just to guide my attuned ear to the relevant moments.
Unless of course you are…
Well lets see (or should I say hear)
MWD