With 26 career goals, 25 of which came in a Dundee United shirt, £1.5m sounds a tad generous for Nadir Ciftci. Celtic’s earlier offer of £900k sounds more like the mark but Wigan have validated United’s target price with a deal with meets their requirements, if not that of the player’s.
Is he a player to improve Celtic? Quite possibly, he’ll bring something we don’t have at the moment – a sticky out ball – but it’s a big ask to expect him to step up to Champions League levels. Signing that level of player might take Champions League money, but we’ll need to get there first, which is why we need to bolster the attack quickish.
Two years ago we talked about the number of senior games a good player is able to make before he’s noticed by those to rich and lazy to do as much low-level research Celtic must do to unearth a gem.
Victor Wanyama made 51 appearances before becoming a Celtic player, Virgil van Dijk made 62. It’s likely both spent the bulk of those games without anyone paying much attention to them, Celtic’s scouts are likely to have been alerted when they have little more than a dozen or so games left at their previous clubs.
Ciftci’s made 67 senior appearances. If he has what it takes, the world will know about it sooner rather than later.
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Mike …in…Toronto. f.a.b.vigil
I think it will be the same as last year , needing to score at least two in a game
Probably three to feel sure ,hope I’m wrong .
I still don’t like the expansive set up , maybe another season will convince me :))
Sipsini
We’re all getting there , slow but sure
5 season tickets not renewed , for one reason or another:((
The shadow is doing well ( as per )…
Your boy is gonnae break a few hearts pal , I’m sure your daughter will be fine , but is doesn’t get any easier , until their back in their own bed / house you never settle , hope you feel better soon.
Take care bud :))
Uncle Shugg said there is no chance that Celtic will be beat by this Iceland team!! Oh dear!!!
AWE NAW
I could do wi a dressing down. Cot time,so it will save me doing it. Does it involve removal of jeans with teeth?
Uncle Shugg said on Clyde there is no chance that Celtic will be beat by this Iceland team!! Oh dear!!!
Raily Decord – Lewis Macleod: End My Brentford Hell
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We have an Echochocho
Jude Jude
I hear an echo…echo :-)
HH
Jude..,
Thanks for that, money going on greater than 3
Leave Ciftci until the jan window, you will get him for half the asking price.
As far as the back 4 goes , CM should be nowhere near the starting 11
f.a.b. virgil (watrc)
I also saw enough to make me think there’s a player there. Regardless I know we both hope he’s a success.
Bobby murdoch
I disagree,understanding why something happens and condoning it are 2 separate things
I understand why people go hungry
I don’t condone it
If Ronny wants him now then he needs to be in the team
I must admit I’m a bit disappointed at the panic being displayed I have faith Ronny will his team through the qualifiers.
Hamiltontim
Got the impression he’d like to ease himself in. Instead he gets baptism of fire. I hope he’s twice the player Virgil is…
HH
Lennybhoy
Leftcliktic
Hope all is well , oh and a big shout out for
Thebarcamole :))
Goodnight all take care
Shakira ….has summoned me once again :))
marspapa
Increasingly, I share your trepidation about the set up … particularly in Europe, it leaves us exposed at the back, and means we need to score a fair few goals.
I must say I was rather excited by RD when he signed, and the promise of fast, attacking football.
And I will admit that I was quite critical of both NFL and GS for the side to side football their teams played.
But, except for a few weeks after we signed SA and GMS (when I thought the football was noticably quicker and more entertaining), we still seem to be having trouble in the final third.
Under RD, I think we have improved noticably at bringiing the ball out of our half more qui9ckly, but we still seem to stall/slow down too much once we cross the half way line. When the pace of the game increases, too many of our players are still struggling to see and make the key defence splitting passes quickly enough.
I know RD wants a basic core of young scottish players, but I am starting to question whether his style of game is possible in Scotland, where, frankly, the players are far behind most of their european counterparts in ball skills. If he had a group of young catalan players, he might have more success with a faster paced passing game.
I know it is early in RD’s second preseason, so last season was probably a bit too soon to see a real turn around in our style realistically. And we are only early in the preseason, so I am hoping that during this season, we will really see the tempo of our game pick up as players get into the season.
I am increasingly unsure that our players are suited for the 4-2-3-1 style that RD plays …. it puts a lot of pressure on the 2 (SB and NB), and too often we have gotten overrun in the middle when playing in Europe (even with 3 in the middle), and we are going to need more production from the 3 if this is to work ….. SJ seems very good at getting into good goal scoring positions, but his finishing has been very poor ….
up front, LG isn’t a target man style player that the 3 can run off of … Ciftci seems like he could do that job, but RD doesn’t seem to like having 2 men up front, and LG has been our only consistent goal scorer, so we cant afford to lose him….
Do we need to go back to a 4-4-2 with LG and Ciftci up front – at least for a while?
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mike in Toronto. Ronny has his system of play and I would think he will stand or fall by it. I said earlier I think this is a big season for Celtic and Ronny the CL will show if we have improved or not.We should win the SPL comfortably so that is not the measure we will be judged on progress in Europe is a must.Ronny in my opinion will be well aware of this and the next few weeks will tell us much. H.H.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
20:20 on
6 July, 2015
AULDHEID 2003
That really is a shocking thing to say. That you can understand how wrong became right and to hell wi those who have done no wrong. Because it’s for their own good.
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Since I never said any of that I have no need to defend what you think I meant in what I said.
It was pretty clear. I can understand how the 5 way agreement came about. It does not mean I approve, endorse, support or think it was right.
With regard to the need for honesty and integrity in our game to combat wrong my views have not changed since this
http://celticunderground.net/in-whom-do-we-trust/
or this
http://celticunderground.net/a-trust-that-would-benefit-scottish-football/
And a more recent one on TSFM with title “An Honesty Game Convince Us.
http://www.sfm.scot/how-not-to-govern-scottish-football/comment-page-11/
with I note references to three previous articles on the subject of honest governance.
But as you probably have not read them I can understand you getting my meaning wrong.
Mike
I have concerns re RD….he seems a stickler for a system even when the players don’t seem to fit it ..or it just isn’t working
We seem too open against decent teams …but will thump poor teams readily …with better suited , better quality players we may thump good teams just as readily ….for the moment , with the current squad I have my reservations re CL qualification
Mike…,
Are you saying Scottish players are too stoopid to play Ronny’s style of football :)
Mike..in..Toronto
Wouldn’t disagree with any of that … But
I prefer a 3.5.2 myself , oh and I think Saidy can be the new Agathe !!
Defo nite nite :))
PFayr. For me our qualification for the CL will be down to the luck of the draw if we get weaker sides we might just make it but if we draw a decent team well it is anyones guess.I am not convinced that we have improved all that much from this time last season. H.H.
Aw Naw
I had a look at the 5 Way Agreement copy I have and it looks like it made Sevco responsible for some of the skulduggery of RFC under Crag Whyte but its a bit of a brain nipper the ways it is articulated.
There is no mention of titles being kept or stripped.
If you get in touch via Paul I’ll send you what I have.
Mmmmm
So based on 2 pre season friendlies:
Some of the new guys and last season’s cohort have a question mark.
Seriously, catch a grip. We don’t need zombies on here to start the panic ffs.
Think about that wee happy place you were in talking up RD and the treble.
AULDHEID
That sentence you quoted was a synopsis. By definition,brief.
You can reference as many articles as you like and not get nearer the truth than that.
Auldheid,
Got to say, what you have said tonight has surprised me too, hence my focus on the quotes I provided, BMCUW is not the only one who has had cause to be shocked by some of the things you’ve said.
I did also identify that you may have been misinterpreted or clumsy in your terminology but you are/were being a bit too pragmatic in making excuses for why the board found it reasonable to accept the 5way agreement and you did IMO excuse why they accepted the 5 way agreement, which was a corrupt agreement that destroyed the integrity of the game in Scotland.
Sorry pal but that how I read it.
Burn the witch :oD)))
MiT/JFH/pfayr
I don’t think Ronny cares whether the players are Scottish, Norwegian, Peruvian or Sevconian, what matters is their fitness, willingness to follow his strategy and of course their ability.
He signed GMS and Armstrong both of whom were well known for their energy in a decent Utd side. Denayer had bags of energy and Boyata looks to be in the same mould.
I like the theory but Ronny also needs to be realistic. We won’t be spending fortunes so he has to gauge whether he has or can purchase the players who’ll fit his strategy. If not he has two choices; walk away or adapt the system.
I hope that with a combination he’ll be a huge success given time.
I can’t envisage the Five Way Agreement being considered in any other footballing jurisdiction save for the one administered by the SFA
Outrageous …simply incapable of bring justified
HT
The guy has improved us in one key aspect in our signings so far, ie they are here before a (serious) ball is kicked.
Being …..
Also our custodians want Sevco in the SPL …anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves
Personally I am delighted Saturday’s defeat came when it did.
Great time to shake the players out of wherever they were mentally and you bet your arse the players are giving a minimum 10% extra in training this week.
The alternative was the players played against poor opposition and carried the false sense of impression of where they were at – until it came the crunch time.
The exact same as what happened after we went a goal up in Prague this time last year.
Panic??
Are you kidding me!?
Karma did us a favour.
Bring Real Sociedad on!
I have said it before and will say it again, I don’t think half our team are good enough to play Ronny’s system, but when he gets the players in that can, watch us go.
Thy where I have not a scooby, but we will go :-)
HH
Gents … not saying anyone is too stoopid! :)
just that the game has passed britain by, in terms of basic skills and results …. the english teams still do OK (not great ) in Europe by spending a fortune on foreign players and coaches ….
marspapa …. I liked the 3-5-2 as well … but we did get found out a few times when using it …. so we have to be able to adjust as necessary (from game to game, or even within a game)… and as PF says, RD seems very reluctant to deviate from his favoured system.
bcw …. not panicking for the last 30 years has gotten british football into the state it is (where, for example, Ireland is now, I believe, behind Gabon and Burkina Faso in the rankings…. and I know Ireland is not part of Britain, but you get my point) …. those running our game have (goat) fiddled while Hampden burned ….
I agree that the time to panic is not now …. it was 20 years ago….
BCW
We need a striker mate, desperately, and I’d hoped that we’d have been looking at better than Cifci. Yep despite that we’ve done well with our work so far.
TET
How much will his team cost though? Is he able to change or adapt if the players aren’t there?
Catching up
Kitalba
Canamalar
Auldheid
Thank you for being you
Keep it lit
HT
Trust you to ask the $64 k question :-)
I said earlier that I think he will have a budget, say 1.5 m for a striker, and IHO, Cifcti is the best he can get for the money.
I have no idea how much Pedro will sanction, very little I would think, so he will have to punt few, and bring in what he thinks will make up the jigsaw.
I think he is on a hiding to nothing, but I trust him to do the best he can for us, with the limited resources he will be given.
HH
A good match.
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