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Bury, Bolton, the remarkably durable English game

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I have heard a lot of nonsense as to why Bury are this morning expelled from the Football League and Bolton Wanderers are two weeks away from a similar fate.  There are not ‘too many teams’, in fact, attendances across all levels of the game in England are at historical highs and compare favourably to those in mainland Europe.  More choice has led to more attendees.

Inadequate ‘fit and proper tests’ are not to blame either.  None of those responsible for the plight of these two clubs had red flags in their backgrounds.  The suggestion that supporter representation on the board would have inhibited clubs spending their way into trouble is perhaps the most laughable suggestion.  Can you imagine a fans’ rep. at a board meeting saying, “Hang on, we can’t sign him, that’s going to push our wage levels to unsustainable levels”?

Football clubs are remarkably durable.  Most of the senior club formed in the 19th century are still in business.  The failure rate is incredibly low comparable to any industry.

The grass roots game, which Bury is a part of, is healthier in England than in anywhere in the world.  Bury over-spent, securitised their stadium and had multi-year commitments they could no longer service.  They failed because they are the worst crop in the field.

Bolton were a fixture in the Premier League when the late Phil Gartside was in charge, but the loss of revenue from that source following relegation is like nothing else in world sport.  I’m amazed we see so few failures of this nature, but by any reasonable expectation, failures like Bury and Bolton should be more common than they are.

There are those in the game who think ‘the model’ of English football is broken.  I have been reading the tea leaves of English football finances for decades.  The model looked broken before Financial Fair Play brought a correction to the market, but we will need to see a lot more Bolton and Burys fall down before that theory stands up.

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  1. mullet and co 2 on

    Not even Jack Bauer can satisfy us now.

     

     

    In all seriousness, right back wasn’t as big a worry as some other positions. El Hamed looks first choice. If the boy is better than him and we have an option to buy then it’s a win win.

     

     

    However. Is there anyone willing to confirm or deny my postulation that we will have at least £40m in the bank come the end of this season depending on the outcome of tomorrow nights game?

     

     

    Lose and it’s £30m.

     

     

    So, unless we spend we still have all of this cash for some reason. Cash that could buy better players. What happened to reinvesting what we earned?

     

     

    As I have said before, a hotel nets £2.5m Turnover at 100 rooms. Cost to build might be £25m. If we are keeping the cash to build without a loan we are only increasing the turnover by around 2 or 3% which means the wage bill can be increased by 1.5m. If there is a wage cap of £25k per week we could only increase by about a maximum of£1k per week. It’s hardly a return on the same level as buying 3 good footballers at £7m or £8m and knowing that they would turn out at £20m each in sales over 3 seasons.

     

     

    It is a risk but the chances of a high return on well scouted low quantity high quality versus high quantity unknown quality players are documented in Edouard

     

    and hopefully Ntcham. As yet Jullien is unknown.

     

    There are plenty examples of low value unknowns being a waste of salary. I would hazard that we carry 15 squad places per annum and £10m in wages with dross year in year out.

     

    I suspect a new left back will be a short term compensatory player to cope with the surprising form of Boli.

     

    Is anyone confident we will blow Rangers out of the water? I’m not.

  2. traditionalist88 on

    There are mitigating circumstances which hint that the player is a lot better than the ‘Stoke reserve’ tag, but there are far fewer mitigating circumstances for waiting until the day before your season defining Euro qualifier, and 4 days before your toughest away league game, to sign a recognised RB.

     

     

    HH

  3. Breeny

     

     

    Foxed this for you.

     

     

    For 2 years some supporters have felt that Lustig was past his sell- by date. He left after being part of an 8 championships in a row team, and as one of the most decorated Celtic players of this century. As a parting gift he headed a beautiful pass into the path of Odsonne Eduard to set up the treble treble winning goal in the 2019 cup final. Celtic have now signed their second right back replacement for Lustig in this transfer window, with Austrian international and Rubin Kazan 2017 player of the year, Moritz Bauer looking like providing cover for the already impressive Hatem Abd Elhamed. Pretty good going on the RB position Celtic. Thanks

  4. mullet and co 2 on

    Bauer was a target a year ago.

     

     

    All this slagging of Rodgers and we are signing players his guy recommended?

  5. BREENY on 28TH AUGUST 2019 3:28 PM

     

     

    So how did the Cluj game go ? He has played less than 10 games for Stoke first team in a year, is that what you want ?

     

     

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    Poorly. But not because a lack of signings. We had the squad to win that tie comfortably.

     

     

    If we were playing Ralston as RB I’d have sympathy with your point. Bauer has had a blip in his career because he fell out with his manager last season.

     

     

    Only halfwits write off a player they know nothing about.

  6. See this tactic that many on here eschew,that we deliberately dont sign anyone,so we can get knocked out of the CL,losing £40 million because it suits PLs penny pinching habits.It is fekin ridiculous.Really,some ought to read back on their rubbish before printing.Absolute madness.

     

    To the supposed Celtic fans who posted such gems,as,”PL is a Cancer”and “Lenny is a Puppet”on here today,just fek right off.This is supposed to be a Celtic Blog.That is Hun Media content.Whats next,Lenny is nothing but a Fenian Bassa.Would not surprise me.

     

    Now we have,2 RBs ,including Biton,4 CHs,when we sign,which we will,Taylor,or the Rosenborg boy,we will have 2 LBs,but we are somehow weaker than last season,when we had an unfit LB,and an ageing Mikel.

     

    Anyone saying we ARE weaker,because we never signed the quality of KT,go get your head examined.

  7. Some will say we must give the guy a chance and many are just happy to get any right back in there, but without having seen him play, this does not appear to be the standard we require to improve the team. Anybody who goes along with this standard is just playing into Lawwell’s hands, little money exchanged and pray to God he works out ok. We require quality and proven players to improve this team otherwise 10 in a row is no guarantee at all. Spend the money Lawwell.

  8. £48 million in the bank,lets get a player in on loan get him fit,so his club can sell him next summer ,brilliant Baldrick….a £5m EPL signing will be on 30k a week minimum, hands up who think we will sign him ?

  9. Yesterday we were ‘weak at Right Back’

     

     

    With El Hamed, Bauer, and Ralston along with Ajer’s flexibility we move to ‘stronger’ than we were at right back.

     

     

    Now fill in the other blanks Celtic and when you’ve did that, tell the support what you’ve done fix the broken scouting and signing process.

     

     

    IMO csc

  10. By the way…In Kristoffer Ajer IMO we have the best right back (although not his normal position) in the country.

  11. Moritz Bauer,we dont need no steenking Austrian Internationals here.

     

    With the brain cells on display here,they would not recognize a “Grizzly Bauer”if it chased them up a tree.

  12. Delaneys Dunky on

    Get Meling in the door, along with Wanyama, or some defensive midfielder like him, and we will be good to go for the season. Need to get behind the team these next two matches and beyond.

  13. traditionalist88 on

    but without having seen him play, this does not appear to be the standard we require to improve the team

     

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    They’re all out today

     

     

    HH

  14. AuroraBorealis79 on

    UK Parliament suspended. At such a crucial time too!

     

     

    I didnt know the Queen played poker.

  15. TRADIONALIST,

     

    They are indeed.Some even brought their mad relatives.Imagine having to listen to them in a pub,or worse,sitting beside you at a game.Not an ounce of joy in supporting Celtic.Wait till we gub this mob on Sunday though.

  16. traditionalist88 on

    TURKEYBHOY on 28TH AUGUST 2019 4:08 PM

     

     

    Lets hope so, will really get us motoring for the season if we can qualify tomorrow night and win on Sunday,

     

     

    HH

  17. !!BADA BING!! on 28TH AUGUST 2019 3:50 PM

     

    £48 million in the bank,lets get a player in on loan get him fit,so his club can sell him next summer ,brilliant Baldrick….a £5m EPL signing will be on 30k a week minimum, hands up who think we will sign him ?

     

     

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    If he plays well I do think we will sign him. He wouldn’t have agreed to the option to buy otherwise.

  18. TRADITIONALIST88

     

     

    People like you keep Lawwell in a job, Stoke reserve for more than a year, is that what you want?

  19. NL. ” I don’t want any loan signings”, so we sign 2.FF, 3rd choice at Southampton and a RB who can’t game for Stoke.

     

    A joke

     

    Don’t be surprised if someone is sold before Monday as well

  20. Stoke City are currently bottom of the English Championship.

     

    A years loan with option to buy may not be a bad deal. If he succeeds it shouldn’t be a few that is out our range, If he flops we hand him back.

     

    Ok he had an indifferent time at Stoke according to reports but he won player of the year with his previous club’s supporters Rubin Kazin.

     

     

    Time will tell.

     

    HH and Welcome to Celtic Moritz.

  21. TRADITIONALIST88 on 28TH AUGUST 2019 12:18 PM

     

    THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY on 28TH AUGUST 2019 12:09 PM

     

     

     

    MM is ooa and IIRC hopes to return ASAP to deliver his verdict on PL, the TW and AOB and any mitigating circumstances will be rendered N/A in his FV,

     

     

     

    HH

     

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    😂 Excellent. I’m still trying to work out your abbreviations. Seriously, though, I’d like to see what a MadMitch has to say about developments.

  22. LUXCELT @ 2:25 PM,

     

     

    “A loan? From an English Championship Team???

     

     

    Fantastic!!”

     

     

    Quite…

     

     

    Some demanding an apology from those who had the audacity to criticize the window.

     

     

    Expectation management.

     

     

    Where’s all the…

     

     

    …mind the gap – hoo, hoo, hoo

     

     

    Ghuys gone?

     

     

    Where’s all the…

     

     

    …still can’t see them coming – chortle, chortle, chortle

     

     

    Guys gone?

     

     

    AURORABOREALIS79 @ 4:01 PM,

     

     

    “UK Parliament suspended. At such a crucial time too!

     

     

    I didnt know the Queen played poker.

     

     

    Maybe she doesn’t, maybe they’ve just got to remind us from time to time, who this country belongs to and who actually runs it.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  23. ST TAMS on 28TH AUGUST 2019 4:15 PM

     

    NL. ” I don’t want any loan signings”, so we sign 2.FF, 3rd choice at Southampton and a RB who can’t game for Stoke.

     

     

    A joke

     

     

    Don’t be surprised if someone is sold before Monday as well

     

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    The difference is if these two play well they will end up here permanently. This isn’t a Denayer/Benkovic type deal when its one and done.

  24. traditionalist88 on

    BREENY on 28TH AUGUST 2019 4:12 PM

     

     

    Actually, a few mins ago I stated that there are mitigating circumstances that suggest the player is better than his status as a ‘Stoke reserve’, but there are far fewer mitigating circumstances for the length of time it took to get him in.

     

     

    But I guess you missed that.

  25. can qualify tomorrow night and win on Sunday,

     

     

     

     

     

     

    HH

     

     

    TIMALOY29 on 28TH AUGUST 2019 4:11 PM

     

    !!BADA BING!! on 28TH AUGUST 2019 3:50 PM

     

     

     

     

    £48 million in the bank,lets get a player in on loan get him fit,so his club can sell him next summer ,brilliant Baldrick….a £5m EPL signing will be on 30k a week minimum, hands up who think we will sign him ?

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    If he plays well I do think we will sign him. He wouldn’t have agreed to the option to buy otherwise.

     

     

    Think about it, he plays games, gets fit,does well, he will be off to Newcastle/West Brom or similar for 40k plus a week

  26. Timaloy- Forster has 3 years left on a contract worth 70k a week,Lawwell loves fans like you

  27. glendalystonsils on

    I hope Herr Bauer is a good signing , not that I know much about him . I can’t escape this nagging feeling though , that the longer it takes for us to get a position filled , the further down our ‘shopping list’ that player is.

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