While Ronny Deila rested 10 players ahead of Tuesday’s Champions League play-off decider, Maribor changed only four players for their 3-0 win over Zavrc, who were three points ahead of them on the Slovenian league. Wednesday’s goalscorer, Bohar, was replaced midway through the second half, while Tavares came on for the last 10 minutes.
Whatever regrets Ronny has over yesterday’s defeat he’ll get over it when he sees a dressing-room full of players who have rested and trained appropriately all week.
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Mighty Tim & Paolo
She is 8 and been to a few low key games. Canny wait to see what she makes of it on Tuesday.
Bundoran Bhoy – TEAM OSCAR FOREVER
Cheers for info, Whelans it is.
DJBEE
No probs hopefully helps u out ;-)
HH
Lord Attenborough passed away
Thunder Road
You weren’t wrong. Superb final episode befitting a marvellous 6 seasons. I won’t say any more, as there may be some people who haven’t watched ‘Breaking Bad’ yet.
It’s right up there with ‘the Sopranos’.
No higher praise.
Marspapa,
That is very kind of you but I will need to get replacements if the dreaded things don’t turn up in the morning.
Natknow — No I can read close up but looking at or for anything at a distance is a waste of time and walking about with prescription sun glasses at this time is just ridiculous.
PF Ayr
Carer? What bloody carer?
TBJ
just saw it on the news.
I didn’t nominate you as you are no on fb at the moment..
Marrakesh
I hear he’s changed his mantra from ” we don’t do walking away ” to ” do your talking while your walking “
BT
I saw your AM getting it … So funny
I did get nominated last weekend but as I ain’t got anyone to pour the film it or pour the water on me I’m leAving it until I’m on the beach in goa and will get a big massive bin of cold water over me then
BT
I’M NOT ON FACEBOOK, THAT NEVER STOPPED YOU NOMINATING ME!!!! :-)
beatbhoy
Breaking Bad is just brilliant. Spent the last year or so persuading people to watch it. Some have, some have not. As you say “up there with the Sopranos” it is that good.
Quiet on here, so I looked on Hunmedia, the halfwit known as d’artagnan scripted this…..
Born Under a Union Flag: Rangers, Britain and Scottish Independence (Luath Press) will be an interesting read for those yet to open its cover, and I would strongly suggest you do. It allows the reader access at times, to the mindset of the authors of the various chapters, some of which will challenge you, some may even alarm you, but having drawn me in, it was one of those books I had to read from start to finish without interruption.
It may seem strange for an avid Unionist to highlight a chapter written by a pro-independence author, Gail Richardson, but I do so for 2 reasons :
(1) Gail asks questions relating to the motto of a group of which I am a member – Vanguard Bears
(2) Of all the pro-independence chapters within the book, Gail’s was unique in that it offered a cohesive, rational and positive argument for independence which was free from negative subjective experience often cited by her peers, nor did it seek to demonise Britain as a justification for exercising a yes vote, in short it offered vision rather than vilification.
I use the word “demonise” deliberately. When Alan Bissett argues that Britain is responsible for, amongst other things, “the mass slaughter of World War 1” you can perhaps begin to understand why I suggested in the opening paragraph that you may be challenged, even alarmed by its contents.
Gail opens her chapter with a question :
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“THERE IS A small group of Rangers fans whose motto is ‘Defending Our Traditions’ – a motto that manages to be both clearly defined and utterly bewildering at the same time. What are the traditions of Rangers? Beyond playing at Ibrox, wearing royal blue and winning a lot of trophies, I would struggle to come up with any.”
Do the Loving Cup ceremony or the portraits of Her Majesty the Queen hanging in the home dressing room at Ibrox not qualify as traditions ? Both are long standing practices at our club, with club historian David Mason, opening this year’s Loving Cup toast describing it as “A very important tradition in the history of Rangers Football Club since 1937”. Furthermore are they merely traditions or, additionally, a powerful statement of identity i.e. this is a club which values the traditions of monarchy ?
The foregoing example serves as welcome introduction for another area of such debate which is often overlooked by many. Gail asserts :
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“I would argue that many people simply project their own beliefs and values onto the club and expect it to uphold them. I would also argue that this is a form of madness.”
It is madness. But what about the flip side of that coin ? What about the instances where the beliefs and values come from within the club itself ? Are they in themselves not statements of identity ? If the historical commentators such as Graham Walker and Bill Murray are to be believed, and there is no good reason not to, then Protestant identity evolved due to a number of factors, primarily though that the Protestant indigenous Scot sought a football club which reflected their faith and culture in the same way that the newly formed club, Celtic, reflected the faith and culture of the Irish immigrant population.
If Gail is guilty of overlooking symbolism and traditions which emanate from within the club, perhaps because they don’t quite fit with her assertions and beliefs, I confess, I could be equally as guilty of reading something into symbolism from within the club because they do happen to fit with my particular assertions and beliefs. I have difficulty accepting however that Church and Boys Brigade Parades, the holding of the Orange Order Annual Divine Service at Ibrox, our refusal to play football on the Sabbath, the welcoming of Kings at Ibrox, Armed Forces Days, amongst other things, are not statements of identity. Furthermore these take no account of the erroneous, which again have their formation from within the club itself.
Gail makes reference to Rangers signing policy, I would add to that the comments of Rangers vice chairman Matt Taylor in 1967 when he stated in interview relating to it, “part of our tradition….we were formed in 1873 as a Protestant boys club. To change now would lose us considerable support.”
However mis-guided, however ham-fisted, however opposed to true Protestant ideals and values the foregoing examples are, I would suggest they are a clear attempt to attach a Protestant identity to our club from within the club itself.
I cite these examples not to usurp Gail’s questioning of their relevance today in an increasingly secular Scotland, but to demonstrate that the club itself over the years has actively encouraged an identity with which it is often associated, therefore to suggest that it’s our supporters who have projected their beliefs onto the club and asked them to uphold them is incorrect.
When Gail states : “I’ve said that I don’t believe Rangers Football Club is a Protestant club or a Unionist club.” how does such a statement equate to a football club who have just released their 3rd strip which has as its centrepiece, the flag of the Union itself ? Particularly in view of the current political climate in Scotland.
Strangely, the answer to Gail’s original question comes from an unlikely source, in chapter 3 of the book. Harry Reid, an Aberdeen supporter speaking of the demise of Rangers identity under Sir David Murray:
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“They most certainly lost touch with the club’s core traditions and, to employ an overused but very important word, their identity.”
And later in the chapter :
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“A club’s identity, or, to be more highfalutin, its soul, is a particularly precious thing. Forfeit it and you lose everything. If a club becomes the plaything of over-ambitious folk who have no understanding of it, there is serious trouble ahead. If it becomes the plaything of people who have no knowledge of its traditions and its values, then the trouble can be noxious.”
Harry continues:
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“And the worst aspect – indeed, the really serious downside of this – was that the core values of Rangers, including a strong mix of Scottish pride, dignity, probity, and an historically honourable commitment to the best in Scottish Protestantism, suddenly became, if not irrelevant, then certainly something of an encumbrance.”
Later in the chapter Harry emphasises the importance of any football club seeking to expand its aspirations, remaining true to its core fan base.
There is really not a lot I can add to Harry’s quotes. The values, traditions and people Harry alludes to are very much at the core of what we at Vanguard Bears, seek to defend.
I hope this article not only answers Gail’s questions, but also challenges her to examine her own vision of our club, as much as her chapter from the book caused me to examine my own
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Nutter and nutters hold that clown in esteem…..;)
Steinreignedsupreme,17:19
Reading back.
Supreme irreverence on Jesusontwittorr; good job its not the Sabbath or there would be Hell to pay;)))
But seriously,whatever happened to the Gold,Frankinsence,and Mhyrr??
Bt am no oan FB but my daughter just informed me my niece nominated me , she off the christmas card list
BRTH
No problem hopefully you get sorted , auld age eh !!!
Beatbhoy
How they wrapped it all up wAs pretty impressive too
Making a spin off called .. Better call Saul
If you ain’t watched sons of anarchy I would recommend that too
HT
I had to wait until I was in possession of the sb before I nominated you…8)
Marspapa
make sure you use water and not gloss….
Good to see the soap dodgers going for a wash
Night all
Getting older
But you’ll wake up soon
And fight
In the morning
Things you worried about
Last night
Will seem lighter
I hope things
Will turn out right
Old man
Through every step a change
You watch me walk away
Tara tara…
BT
So devious I’m surprised you’re not a wumman :-)
SOAL
Is it true that the ice bucket challenge started in Wishy after a tourist spotted the normal daily washing routine of some locals in a field?
Sipsini
Dartagnon is to RM as joko is to CQN
doc
21:55 on 24 August, 2014
Are Ant & Dec new posters?
Anthony Stokes & Declan Sanchez our new strike force maybe?
Bt
Haha
Hey that takese back to my apprentice days , i got initiated with bottle green gloss in the nether regions , turps and brillo pads cleaning for a week unbelievable pain
RWE
15:56 on
24 August, 2014
Bada Bing
Our special correspondent at Parklea…
Is it Reggie or Ronnie?
Probably best not to ask though…
HH
Bada Bing
Could not tell you which one it was, they both look the same to me, His son Plays for Morton’s under fifteens
EDB
See you Tuesday
HT
Aye 200 years ago
Neil on motd 2
Tbj,
Not really, I’ve heard a few huns quote his pash in low voices in the toilets…where it belongs.
Update you tomorrow on the mini hun liar…as said before, he will get off with it.
What game do you think is on sportsscene first tonight. …
No prizes
HT
Aah, so that’s where the phrase wishy washy derived? :)
The Spirit of Arthur Lee.
I see you have been nominated to do the bucket challenge.
Why do aw the women doin the ice bucket challenge ! randomly start runnin on the spot efter it ? !!!!
All agreed on sportscene that the slightest touch in the box is a pen
Pity they didn’t have another look at the tackle of Calum but sure they will keep that opinion for next time a Celt goes down in the box
Sips
Had a few beers with big PM last night … He reckons he will get away with it .
Was telling me you have a frenchie hr manager now
DD,
Nice to see you’re passing the Celtic tradition on…my kids went to all the home games at that age, as babysitters blanked me…they know more tunes than me and acgr will verify it…:))
Oldtim 67
Done it topless not like the other gay bhoys
LOVE
hope you are keeping well
Why was that Rangers crap posted here? Who cares?
Not being confrontational, I just don’t get it.
Tbj,
She’s a bitch, her only input is getting bodies out the door…eight accountants in a workforce of two hundred speaks volumes.
As the song goes…. The writing is on the wall!
DBJ/TBJ
It was on here that I first heard about BB, so thanks to whomever recommended it first.
I caught SoA on some cable channel, but it was series 3. I then saw some of series 4, before it stopped abruptly.
I’ve since gone back to see series 1and 2 on what was Lovefilm.
It’s enjoyable, but not as well written or as subtly plotted as BB, in my opinion, which has some ingenious plot twists.
I’d probably be better able to judge ‘Sons’ if I hadn’t watched it so haphazardly, right enough!