Celtic should accept the offer of a two match ban for Kelvin Wilson following an incident at Dens Park on Boxing Day. He has never been an aggressive player, so there is no need to assume intent, but an elbow to the face is a painful experience and potentially dangerous. These are the rules and they are there for good reason.
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Paul, I am in the disagree camp, especially if Kelvin runs into further clashes which is bound to happen, given where he plays and for whom he plays.
If the player on the receiving end said it was unintentional then that should be it. We all talk about fighting the right battles and this should be one of them
gsu
The Signing Detective/Kojo – Christmas Cracker 2012
THE EXILED TIM,
for example this farce over old rangers and then sevco being
wrongly if not illegaly being allowed in to division three with
no accounts being a prime example of accepting breach of rules and not a word, mmmmmmm
I have a recipe for mulled mullet.
danso_1888
We get posters coming on here and other sites time and time again asking for the suits to do or say something……..we are still waiting……….
Take the new anti-Celtic/Irish/Catholic bill for example……was our in house lawyer at the time, a certain Paul McBride not in favour of it !!!!
We will wait long enough for them to stand up for us.
Kitalba
My youngest is en route to Sydney for the bells, where do the Sydney tims go for the bells?
Ps the above post so for Sydney Tim.
Police cameras capture – collection of Celtic Mug Shots
Sadly I don’t have a recipe for mulled mulligitawny.
Obviously the SFA must feel it comes into the category of excessive force not careless or reckless.
From the laws of the game: “using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.
A player who uses excessive force must be sent off.
Also
I remember playing 5s a long time back and a guy I was running alongside taking great exception to me ‘elbowing’ him in the face.
I did not swing an elbow, I did not try to hurt him, I was jostling for the ball as was he. He thought I had, I knew I hadn’t. However, he must have taken a whack. I reached the conclusion that as I was a good half a foot taller than him that he did get a whack in the jaw from me, albeit unintentionally – it was a similar incident to Kelvin’s the other night. I don’t think the movement of his arm was excessive or unnatural but it could be interpreted as dangerous play, intentional or not. I agree with Paul67, like the Dundee player we’ll have to take this on the chin. It’ll be forgotten about in jig time.
Police cameras capture – large collection of Celtic Mug Shots
ThisTime – oops CSC
not in the suits interest to comment on this farce is it? i might add that goes for suits at most of the clubs, all very well saying celtic should keep quiet on this as the mam want them to get dragged into this, so out of fear we just say nothing and accept it? some might see this as cowardly but then
some might actually be secretly want them back.
bournesouprecipe
14:47 on
28 December, 2012
I saw that, my goodness what a day :)
gsu
Ntasoola
“at the risk of being a bit technical the onus tends toward the accused to prove it was accidental.”
There is nothing technical about it. You are just wrong. The onus is on the accuser to make the charge stick by supplying evidence, unless you believe the SFA to be a kangaroo court. The accused may mount a defence but is under no obligation to do so and many a case has fallen by an inadequate prosecution faced with a silent defender. I believe the only technical phrase that applies in law is “innocent until proven guilty” not “innocent until charged”
I believe Kelvin Wilson has a good case to appeal. His initial statement said that he was attempting to shrug the Dundee player off and the Dundee player has backed this. But maybe your right. The guys hearing the case might be from Embra and not very good at believing eye witnesses above their own prejudices.
mam=msm
Adding a wee bit of cultchur to CQN, I’m at the Royal Concert Hall watching The Nutcracker with the family, great afternoon out.
Re-Wilson, I don’t think we can win this one, takethe ban and move on.
CRC if lurking, is there a quiz later?
THE EXILED TIM @14:17 “As for those hoping the club will stand up for us, hasn’t happen up till now, and it won’t happen any time soon.”
I totally agree.
CorkCelt,
Sorry to hear of the tragic loss of your friend.
Tommy YNWA
Not for him a judge or jury,not for him a trial at all,
Being Celtic, makes him guilty. So we’re guilty one and all.
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The nightmare scenario that Stewart Regan hoped he’d never face came to fruition on June 14 when despite a nod in the direction of Charles Green HMRC rejected the offer on a CVA plunging Rangers from administration into liquidation.
While Duff & Phelps quickly sold on Murray Park and Ibrox for a knockdown £5.5m to the man with big ‘ands from Yorkshire the business of liquidation began with BDO tasked with the job of unravelling the paperwork that killed off the football club from Govan.
Having buried their heads in the sand for months while licensing a club whose last audited accounts had been published in June 2010 panic set in at the SFA as they attempted everything in their power to disguise the reality in a bid to keep the sponsorship gravy train flowing.
Every year FIFA deal with the death of football clubs with Unirea Urziceni going out of business just two years after becoming Romanian champions and competing in the Champions League.
On the FIFA website today, under the title of 12 moments that shaped 2012, FIFA duly recorded the death of Rangers whilst acknowledging the success of the newco in the fourth tier of Scottish football.
Under the headline of Rangers go under Fifa state: Rangers’ perilous financial position had been an open secret but there was still shock when, after 140 years of history and a world record 54 league titles, the club was consigned to liquidation in mid-June.
“The Glasgow giants were subsequently reformed as a new company and granted entry to the Third Division, Scotland’s fourth tier, which they currently lead by nine points with a game in hand.”
The new company will only be eligible to take part in European football once they have produced three years of audited accounts.
Why would you accept a ban if both players say it is accidental….case closed.
CultsBhoy loves being 1st forever & ever
14:19 on
28 December, 2012
on principle I would defend myself if I was Wilson (Celtic).
No doubts he elbowed the player but it was in my view not intentional. The two were jostling and as you would expect with two professional players, it was hotly contested tugging and pulling contest as each tried to gain position.
If Wilson had form or had blatantly elbowed the player while standing awaiting a cross – then I would happily accept 2 match ban but when two players are running at full pelt jostling for position and an elbowing happens – NO WAY.
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If Kelvin accepts the charge or is found guilty,he WILL have form.
Any repeats will see a ramping-up of punishment.
Fight this all the way.
Because the huns aren’t there to kick us for 90 minutes at a time,their cheerleaders and apologists are doing it for them.
Take them on,and take them out.
Sftb
Sorry I was helping assemble Barbie’s cruiseship!!!
There have been occasions when I’ve been critical of the actions of some Celtic supporters.
I am not blinkered and acknowledge that we’re not saints.
Of the 4 Tims arrested, one was for singing Roll of Honour and one for jumping over the barrier after the first goal. Hardly life threatening.
From what I’ve learned the widespread fighting amongst Celtic supporters (not your words) was in fact an isolated incident. Yes around 20 people were involved and it occurred within the stadium concourse, but it was not in any way ‘widespread’.
I’d heard you went back and asked to be frisked again ;-)
Oh,hell.
My last point there was in agreement wi TSD-Well,a bit of what he said.
Maybe he’s learning a wee bitta sense!
Joe McBride
Scotland footballer; would-be member of Celtic’s Lisbon Lions squad, joint top scorer with Alex Ferguson in Scottish League, 1965-66, died 11 July, aged 74
Joe was my first hero. I idolised him as a boy. He lived on the next close to me in Govan. I remember going to watch him play for St Gerards secondary school at Ibrox in a Scottish Cup final, and he was taking a corner kick. I was at the corner flag with my mates and he was taking it with his right foot – his left foot was marginally better, and I shouted: ‘Joe!’ And he turned round and he looked at me. I said: ‘You’re using your right foot!’ I don’t know why I did it! And he looked at me as if I had horns in my head and my mates are like: ‘What the fuck are you doing?’ And he hooked the ball in.
I used to play with him as a kid in kickabouts, we loved it. He was always a goalscorer. We used to play in what was called the pen, at the local works, every Sunday. You would have to queue up for a game, it was about 20-a-side, and he was a goalscorer then too. He would score about 20 goals on a Sunday.
He was a natural goalscorer, two-footed, quick off the mark, and a really good finisher. He was the first of our group who went into professional football. He was a terrific guy.
As we grew up he went to Kilmarnock and then he was a traveller, to Wolves and Luton Town. Even then moving around was normal. In England it was full of Scottish players.
It wasn’t until Joe came back and played with Partick Thistle that the contact was there again between us because I was with St Johnstone by that time. I remember the 1965-66 season, when I was at Dunfermline and he was at Celtic [when Ferguson and McBride ended as joint-top scorers on 31 league goals]. When you’re top of the goalscoring chart you want to finish first. I actually got 45 goals that season in 51 games in total.
His great season was the next, 1966, when he scored something like 38 goals but then got his serious knee injury just before Christmas. Unfortunately he missed out on the European Cup final because of that. Celtic signed Willie Wallace as a replacement because they knew Joe would be out for a long time.
The thing I always remember was meeting him in February or March 1967, when I knew he was out injured, and I think I said to him: ‘You probably would have scored about 50 goals without the injury.’
He had an absolutely fantastic career. His scoring record is a great legacy [226 goals in 383 league games, third highest postwar], but that’s what he was: he was always a goalscorer. He was my first hero, my brother and I both idolised him.
It was a shock when he passed away. I kept in touch with young Joe [McBride’s son, also a footballer]. It was sad because he was a really genuine guy, a really nice man
Sir Alex Ferguson, Manchester United’s manager was talking exclusively to Jamie Jackson
Gypsies…? Ye Cannae Beat ‘The Gypsy Kings’….
Probably A Lot Less Gypsies Around Than The 3 Million You Suggest…..
On Account Of The Wicked Swedish Socialist Party….
Sterilising Any Gypsy Youth They Deemed To Be Guilty Of Vagrancy…..
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http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/03/euge-19m.html
http://www.errc.org/article/report-reveals-that-romani-women-were-sterilised-against-their-will-in-sweden/1521
Merry Christmas to posters and lurkers, mineshafters and moon howlers alike.
The major talking point this week must surely be…
Sienna Miller or Tippi Hedren?
DONTBRATTBAKKINANGER 1438
Excellent-suitably droll…….
Doc
I took my class to see The Nutcracker.
I fell asleep….
Paul67
Own goal there mister.
No way we accept punishment for an accident. The ” perp” has explained his actions. The “vic” agrees it was not intentional and his own fault.
The ref also didnt spot any offence.. His three assistants either.
Take this on the chin ? Why not drop your shorts too .
And… I hope the club are raising the racist chanting issue with the powers that be
HT
Yeah, it usually takes me 4 frisks to get to the interesting bit.
P.s. I don’t believe any fighting was widespread. Can you shed light on why Efe was getting more abuse from Dundee fans than other Celts were getting? That is how it sounded like on TV
Celtic – via The Commentator
BT, TET, Vmhan, leftclicktic and any other lad I missed thanks for thinking about Tommy, he would appreciate it. His entire life was defined by his Love of Celtic, he was at the extreme edge of the Support and wouldn’t have been the most Politically Correct of characters but he travelled to Glasgow when things were tough, he drove a Taxi for a living, nobody had a bad word to say about him and he certainly raised the profile of Celtic in the town of Clonmel.
Celtic have won each of their last 6 matches at Easter Road.
setting free the bears
15:14 on
28 December, 2012
HT
Yeah, it usually takes me 4 frisks to get to the interesting bit.
P.s. I don’t believe any fighting was widespread. Can you shed light on why Efe was getting more abuse from Dundee fans than other Celts were getting? That is how it sounded like on TV
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You should do what I do. Make a beeline for the best looking steward (preferably female!!)
From what I heard I would say it was because he is black.
TSD
“Probably A Lot Less Gypsies Around Than The 3 Million You Suggest….”
Surely fewer rather than less?
Does Ampleforth do refunds? I’ll take 10% for supplying them with evidence that they failed to fulfill their part of the contract.
We need not see this as a major event that requires the whole Celtic family to come out fighting. It was two footballers tussling for the ball and one of them got hurt. I’d like to think that Kelvin Wilson is smart enough to weigh up the offer and come to his own conclusion based on what he alone knows. I really don’t think he needs our help.