A comfortable win in the end masked a difficult hour for Celtic at Inverness on Saturday. It was not until Ki Sung-Yeung replaced Georgios Samaras that Celtic were able to prize open the home team. Ki has the range of passing and shot that makes him a formidable attacking threat but he has still to require the consistency of concentration that would make him a certain starter.
After Paddy McCourt appeared on 69 minutes Celtic were well on top. The Irishman brings the double gifts of time and space to the team. He has the ability to take and retain possession despite the close attention of several defenders, allowing others to take up advance positions or relieve pressure on defence.
We’ve tried more midfield formations this season that I can keep track of and despite Ki and McCourt improving Celtic considerably on Saturday I’m not going to insist either is given a starting berth. Both still have more to give, as do the rest of the midfield.
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Re – tv contract.
Could this not be the same details that has been on last 2-3 contracts?
WGS ——- 9 31 —
Milan Badelj ?
Great player —-AKA – The new Modric. { copyright the Italian fitba media ]
Italian fly a kite fitba media has him signing for half of Serie A –
Juve , Inter , Milano, Roma, Lazio , Napoli and Palermo .
The pundits have Napoli as the favorite — easily done when you have Napoli selling their 3 best players to Manchester City for 100 million Euros. . The way its going almost everybody will be playing for Manchester City
He certainly can play football..
23 degrees way down south — torrential rain full of red Saharan sand .
Horrible day , way down south.
As tempting as it is to threaten this, that and t’other about this new tv deal I think I will wait to see what the actual truth is rather than rely on the reportage so far.
Does it really mean that neither Celtic nor Rangers can finish below the split line? Ever? Or does it mean that the amount paid is reduced on such an eventuality?
If it can be reduced in such circumstances then surely it can be reduced further should one of the big two clubs go under or be relegated.
I don’t know the answer to the question so will hold my powder till the details are known.
However, I will be watching with great interest as I am sure will many others. There is a recession on alright and that goes far further than simply Scottish football clubs – it affects most of the fans as well.
Some of us could well decide that it is not worth the expenditure if there is no real integrity in the competition.
I would like to think we will hear something from Celtic on the matter this week, but who knows?
Paul67 – your thoughts please!
Where are people getting the notion that the TV deal “overrides SPL rules”?
It does no such thing.
It is subject to certain conditions which, if they are not met, the contract is declared null and void.
If that happens, it will be renegotiated. SKY/ESPN aren’t stupid. They won’t just walk away from the SPL because Rangers are not there. The money on offer will be much less.
Let’s imagine another scenario. Even without the tax case, what if Rangers were found guilty of match-fixing, or bribing referees in European games – I know, I know – and UEFA/FIFA banned them from all football for a year or two. The SKY/ESPN condition would then kick in, as it would have done if such a scenario had happened in the last few years. SKY wouldn’t be able to stop UEFA banning Rangers because of some clause in a TV contract. They’d simply tear up the existing contract and re-negotiate it for a smaller fee.
Some people are putting the cart before the horse.
I think that the board/CEO/absentee-landlord and, all the rest of the faceless wonders who constitute the hierarchy at CP have, indicated that they are, already thinking ahead given that they are investigating the introduction of, standing areas.
The hierarchy know full well that, when the genie is out of the bottle about, the hierarchie’s collusion with the huns and, the possibility of….the hierarchie’s presidance over 4 iar for the huns then the SB gimmick will bite the dust once and for all!
This would leave an embarassing amount of empty seats in the, lower level of the stadium hence the hierarchies drive for terracings at, probably £10 a skull and, a possible drive for player wage-capping to be next on the agenda ?
Hail! Hail!
Mort given this, it could be argued that previous contracts could not have foreseen an insolvency event occurring, but now??? They cannot say they were unaware of Rangers current plight.
Paul67 as shareholders are we privy to these TV contracts?
ernie lynch 22 November, 2011 at 09:17
‘The new TV deal does not “forbid” anything. All it means is under a given set of circumstances, the contract is null and void, or more likely, subject to renegotiation.’
That’s correct.
But the fact the contract has been entered into means the SPL will have discussed the issue of what happens to a newco huns, and if the SPL have discussed it then so have the Celtic board.
Discussed it and come to a decision.
I can’t see how that’s true. If has been reported is true that the same contract has been entered since the days of Setanta then I can’t see how anything new would have been discussed prior to entering this contract. I think you are giving the SPL too much credit. I think we have found that the only professional outfit in Scottish football appear to be Celtic.
As for discussing the currants’ new co, I agree that the Celtic board will have discussed this matter especially after the furore of Phil’s article. I doubt that they’ve discussed it with the SPL though.
I also doubt we’ll find out the decision that the board have reached until the event is upon us.
It was great to see hoopslegend wee John Hartson looking so well on the ole ‘Question of Sport’ last night.
The ole Movember is reaching it’s final week of raising money for men’s cancer charities.
I’d like to very much thank all the Bhoys who have donated so far and once again respectfully ask that any spare change you may have goes to a worthy home , rather than squandering it on food and heating.
…and so far unshaven has also been unbeaten for the ole Celts.
Have people not got enough gumption to listen to the likes of Mort? Let the details of the contract be scrutinised by the likes of TBB and PFayr. I would imagine our Club’s lawyer would have gone over it with a fine tooth comb to ensure that the SPL’s rules and regulations are adhered to. He knows them better than many of the Committee members, as he proved last season.
new article posted.
Jings, it’s almost as if CQN’ers are glad to have another reason to have a go at the board or each other, lighten up!
Re my earlier post about 4-0, what do you think? Will it be a tough 1 goal victory or will we do them.
V
Ernie Lynch –
What have those questions got to do with the intricacies of the TV deal and its conditions? That is all I have been talking about here.
The Honest Mistake (Sickened) says:
22 November, 2011 at 10:07
The SPL will have discussed it.
Sky will have insisted they did.
Sky will not have got involved in a contract without covering all possible optiopn.
Yes there will be a break clause if the huns are kicked out as a longstop provision but Sky will have wanted to be clear about how likely that outcome was.
We suspect the worst because we have seen the worst so many times. Experience.
Hope triumphs over experience all the time. And sometimes logic does too.
Logic, logic, logic.
So the tax cases are not quite finished and other courts cases are cropping up every week. No one can tell what the MBB is really up to. He either has to let their club suffer an insolvency event on his watch or find a way to keep paying the bills until the big tax case hits, allowing him to blame Minty. Either way, they are not finishing the season.
Post-insolvency, at the risk of repeating myself, no one can tell what the MBB is really up to. Options are pre-pack, CVA or liquidation (sans pre-pack). All offer possibilities for the MBB to make some money on the carcass of Rangers, which, logic dictates, is what attracted his eye and those of other vultures such as Ellis in the first place. This is what these guys do. This is who they are. But no one knows which way the MBB will play it. Some wise people are beginning to think even the MBB doesn’t know how he will play it.
If it’s a pre-pack and Newco FC, how quickly can it get up and running? What possible legal challenges will there be to its existence (not least from HMRC)? Will it be able to pay players more than, say, ICT? Will it be relegation fodder (especially with a big points deduction hanging over it)? Will whoever comes in to run it pass a ‘fit and proper’ test? Will Rangers fans back it because, after all, either it’s possibly going to be het for some of the bills Rangers leave behind or it’s going to have to show it’s not really Rangers, and if it succeeds in convincing the world it’s not really Rangers, what claim can it have on the hearts of Rangers supporters?
So many questions. So few answers.
And yet, we are supposed to believe that the SPL, Sky, ESPN and the other 11 SPL clubs have all seen the future (Newco FC in the SPL) and have all agreed to it.
Logic tells us that it cannot be so. The lawyers would never have allowed it because there are too many imponderables.
I think the Celtic board reckon they dont need to listen to the concerns of the fans.
Thats certainly how it looks.
No change there then eh
Sack the Board
My take on the clause to allow 4 games between Celtic and Rangers to be televised is this. If Rangers go into Liquidation they as a club and company have gone. The contract does not state anything about Rangers Newco therefore a new negotiated dael will have to be brought in. Then is the time for Celtic to flex it’s muscles.
Joe Filippis Haircut –
Fair enough, but what is hypothetical about “I am sick of the halfwits who run Celtic”?
Tom McLaughlin says:
22 November, 2011 at 10:11
It’s to do with your reaction to someone who called the Celtic board halfwits.
ernie lynch –
Thanks.
SKY ES PN Time this lot was investigated. why should i and thousands more that subscribe to sky sports ,then having to fork out more money to watch football on ESPN .To me its a con ,cheats that what they are and its time something was done about it.
The TV contract states that Sky/ESPN will pay £X to the SPL provided that there are 4 Celtic v Rangers games per season and 56 other games that they can broadcast. If Celtic or Rangers gets relegated or goes bust then Sky/ESPN can get out of the deal to renegotiate or not broadcast the SPL at all.
The “laws of the game” have not changed at all, nor have the conditions of the TV contract. (case closed)
RaRaRasputin says:
22 November, 2011 at 10:23
And the people from Sky negotiating the deal either won’t have been aware of the likelihood of the huns going bust or if they were aware won’t have been concerned.
They’ll just have relied on the clause saying there has to be a minimum number of old firm games and left it at that.
Because that’s how you negotiate a multi million pound contract.
New article Bhoys
When the chairman of an SPL club is renegotiating his club’s overdraft and tells the bank manager that everything is rosy because of the new TV deal do you think the bank manager will ask what happens to the TV money if the huns get kicked out of the SPL?
Is it likely the chairman would say ‘No idea, we haven’t discussed that’?
ernie lynch @10:03
I was referring to the previous contract not the one just announced.
Tom McLaughlin 10.15 Maybe you or I wouldnt agree with his views on the Board or there again maybe we would but surely he is entitled to his point of view.CQN would be a terribly boreing site if we all agreed on everything what makes it interesting is the debate on the different points of view.I am of the opinion that I say live and let live we are all Celtic supporters.H.H.