Who made the poppy a political symbol? For those who collected the flower from fields in France 90 years ago and many bereaved relatives at home it was a symbol of respect for loved ones lost, but it can be used politically and has been shamelessly politicised in Scotland in recent years, where the symbol of national loss has been exploited.
In itself, the poppy is not political, it occupies the same territory as the black armband, but even this worldwide symbol of respect has been exploited for political ends by footballers in the past.
I can understand why many in England are furious that Fifa consider the poppy a political symbol and have banned England for wearing it against Spain this week, but since a few live to exploit the flower for political ends, the Fifa decision is correct.
Before making the decision someone at Fifa would have undertaken cursory research into the subject. Searching Google for “poppy football” a few weeks ago would have returned this (now archived) result. I’m sure you recall; a banner at Celtic Park, which didn’t make the news on the day it was displayed, or on the next day, was badgered by someone into the news on day three. Celtic were the target of that exercise, the England team are now collateral damage.
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Jimmy
I understand that Hai Phong Cement, playing in neighbouring Vietnam, use a man on each post, then a man at each corner of the 6 yard box, and 4 players defending the four 4 sq yard zones in between. They then deploy three further players each man marking the tallest attackers in the opposition, and 2 men stationed at the edge of the box to defend the second ball, leaving 3 players further up the field as an outball.
It was working an absolute treat, with no goals conceded since the start of the season, until they ran out of cash to bribe the refs.
Still, it’s worth a shout.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:34
Aye, I used to turn like one as well.
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tomtheleedstim – it’s time to pull the plug on the perennial poppy polemic.
Na na na na na na na na na BATMAN! (thumbsup)
Palacio67 says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:22
“Strolled up outside the front door in Green/white Freeelender and coud’nt resist swapping my rigger boots for my white/green adidas trainers.”
Good work fella. That showed ’em!
Now get yourself round the other SPL grounds and treat them to the ole ‘rigger boots off/trainers on’ routine. Before we know it we’ll be SPL champions. ;-)
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:34
I can confirm Tom the leedstim is indeed a minibus
I am currently contracting in Leeds at present and tomtheleedstim has invited me for a pint this evening (a sort of CQN blind date) Is there something I should know :-)
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:31
Jimmybhoy…..,
remember you can only use 11 players :o)
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ok
– 1 GK
– 1 near post
– 3 forward players
– 4 zonal players to attack the ball
– 1 spare player to combat short corner along with near post player
= 11 players
opposition
– 1 GK
– 1 corner taker
– 4 defenders to mark my 3 forwards
– 5 players to attack the ball or 4 + 1 at edge of the box?
= 11 players
if its a numbers game i think it adds up….
jimmybhoycampbell
INcambodia
TheGreenManilishi…,
As tom himself admited his turning ability is not great, do not mistake that for changing direction, he is referring to his turn at the bar :oD
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
Thanks for that, sounds like I should visit the ole cashline first.
Blackman and Zenden
Short term deals only, one for age reasons, the other for temperament.
A reasonable punt is not an issue.
Zenden was not an underwear model masquerading as a footballer (and believe me Ljungberg was sitting around doing hee haw for Seattle before he signed). We’d have been better signing Derosario when he was on trial – that guy has real talent.
Blackman is an interesting choice. Clearly a guy who has talent but who gets in bother. Worth a punt but nothing more. 6 month deal to prove himself on and off the park. A left back? We need cover there as El Khadouri will be back in Kiev shortly and Izzy needs cover, it may take him a month or two to get back to form (this is of course unknown at this stage).
A short term deal each or nothing at all.
Good morning all,managed to get to work on time today without ole Scarllet holding me back!….
anyway.. new ibrokes should be… poundland
jimmybhoy…,
as I thought, I think you might want to revisit basic arithmeTIC :o)
Somebody chucked us a bone re Christine Grahame, she of the impeccable history, defender of the right for the self-regulation of the Scottish Legal system.
Get intae them.
Bet you Alex still pushes on with this bill though. Common sense hasn’t got in the way of it to date, so why should it now.
Anyone got an opinion on wearing poppies on football tops?
FFM<
should be a personal choice
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:50
jimmybhoy…,
as I thought, I think you might want to revisit basic arithmeTIC :o)
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ooooops… ah well even better, ive got another defender who can zonally attack the ball..
thanks :)
TPD/ canalamar
That’s right
That’s right
Make it worse.
Where there is harmony let me bring discord csc
Remember that joke about the Lottery winner buying Rangers and his wife saying: God knows what he`d have bought if he had got four numbers! ? Well, I just thought today: If he hadn`t bought the Lottery ticket, he could have bought Rangers instead.
Remember also, chaps, to mention you are a Tim before boarding a black cab. The drivers are aware that Huns don`t pay their taxis.
JJ
Coat on.
jimmybhoycampbell says:
Football is a simple game ,some guys IMO try to complicate it to try and make theirselves look smart.Man for man,encourage your GK to be vocal and make himself “known” to the opposition(a wee elbow in the lug,stand on guys toes).A man on each post and at least 1 of your forwards(the fast one!) up at the halfway line for a punted clearance.Good luck over there.HH.
simplescsc.
canamalar @ 10:53
I agree.
Timnosis.
!!Bada Bing!! says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:56
You seemto know what you’re talking about.
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:25
“So according to ole Christine,were “effing” catholics.
Surely it would be easier to just say catholic?”
Yes, but it would not be an accurate expression of how she feels.
jimmybhoycampbell at 10:25
I think what you are suggesting is the basis for zonal marking. Our problem is, the defenders just stand waiting for the ball instead of attacking it when it enters their “zone”.
Mort
I see Fabio Capello is going to miss his son’s wedding on Saturday so that he can take charge of England playing a meaningless friendly.
Surely there are some things more important than football.
Mort
Today’s food and musical theme in the Estadio household..
Just enjoying the running up of a jambalaya with Alligator steak while listening to Ray Charles.
Didn’t have any alligator so used a bit of chicken, no chorizo so used rice, egg and chillies, no prawns so in went the sardines.
No wonder I’m moving like a salsa dancer!
Give it some welly Ray…..
hail hail
Estadio
TheGreenManalishi(WithTheTwoProngedCrown) says:
10 November, 2011 at 10:42
I’ll be wearing the pink carnation!!
VP- as i said,i think football is a simple game,particularly defending cross balls has become complicated by smart ar$£$.
Mort says:
10 November, 2011 at 11:03
jimmybhoycampbell at 10:25
I think what you are suggesting is the basis for zonal marking. Our problem is, the defenders just stand waiting for the ball instead of attacking it when it enters their “zone”.
Mort
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what i am suggesting is that players start in 1 zone (if you like) and as the ball is played they move into another zone a couple of yards in front of them where the attacking players will also be running into. In this way it means they wont be ‘just standing waiting for the ball’
jimmybhoycampbell
INcambodia
Christine Grahame is a fan of zonal marking at Holyrood – especially in the political sense. Means she doesn’t have to stand to close to thae effin kafflicks – easier to watch them from afar.
There did seem to be a lot of distance betweer her and Tom Devine at that committee review, in more ways than one.
The frustration on that poor man’s face. Like trying to train a cat to manage a bird sanctuary.
Mort says:
“I see Fabio Capello is going to miss his son’s wedding on Saturday so that he can take charge of England playing a meaningless friendly.
Surely there are some things more important than football.”
It depends.
I would do the same unless i knew for a fact that it would be a free bar at the reception.
Christine Grahame: The bigot behind the “Bill” ?
http://holyroodconfessions.blogspot.com/
I agree with Mort, the problem is not zonal marking but our application of the method i.e. Defenders standing static rather than attacking the ball. I read a blog piece which showed that Barcelona, despite being one of the shortest teams in world football, had been so successful with their application of zonal marking. I believe they had only lost 3 goals from 137 corners.
Mort
£5m per annum probably has something to do with it.
Sad, I agree.
A must read
More on the Christine Grahame allegations.
Dan
It is a law of the universe that there are two prerequisites to ‘Turning a corner’.
First we need to win one, and then score from one.
Then we can turn one.
‘baby it’s cold outside’
Hail hail
Estadio
TBB – your family helped to found Hibernian, and you used to work with Vic Kasule.
Any other sins against Scottish football you want to confess?
BarryBhoy says:
10 November, 2011 at 11:10
I agree with Mort, the problem is not zonal marking but our application of the method i.e. Defenders standing static rather than attacking the ball. I read a blog piece which showed that Barcelona, despite being one of the shortest teams in world football, had been so successful with their application of zonal marking. I believe they had only lost 3 goals from 137 corners.
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yes i read the piece on Barca’s zonal marking… the didnt have anyone on either post.
jimmybhoycampbell at 11:08
what i am suggesting is that players start in 1 zone (if you like) and as the ball is played they move into another zone a couple of yards in front of them where the attacking players will also be running into. In this way it means they wont be ‘just standing waiting for the ball’
That’s pretty much what zonal marking is supposed to achieve. In theory the player should be stand slightly behind their “zone” so that when the ball is played they also get a run at the ball to circumvent the free header the attacker gets. In practice however, some defenders don’t move at all or leave it too late and the damage is done.
Mort
I think that the zonal v man marking debate will never be agreed. We should be set up the way that suits the team best. Barnes tried to introduce 4-2-2-2 system which was very successful with Brazil but hopeless without the right players.
The zonal system does not work when the players are incapable of following orders or lack concentration. Henke regularly played against man markers but scored many goals unmarked. Only on Sunday Murderwell man marked and yet our top scorer was left unmarked to equalise.
It is up to the management team to employ the system they think best and drill it into them. If that means staying behind for afternoons so be it (although that may upset the management team more).