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Football’s hard, Armstrong, McNeill v Greig

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Last week I suggested we were better with yesterday’s game over and done with, but I have to admit to thoroughly enjoying the occasion.  It may not have been the derby of Old, but it had traces of familiarity from my youth, when managers Billy McNeill and John Greig faced each other.

I watched the game back on television last night.  What an absolute pair of trumpets Warburton and Weir are!  Weir was sent to the stand for demanding Mikael Lustig receive a second yellow card, despite not receiving his first.  Warburton then explained this to the media, indignant that Lustig wasn’t dismissed for two yellows, still totally oblivious to the fact he hadn’t been booked.

Football’s hard.  Referees make mistakes.  But keeping track of who has been booked is remarkably simple.  It was Nir Bitton, not Mikael, who was booked early in the game.  Nir and Mikael have a similar, slight, build, but there’s 7cm between them, with different skin and hair pantones.

What does this tell us?  That the Newco management didn’t know their opponents well enough to tell them apart, never mind how they would play.  Remarkable, considering how often we’ve been on television this season.

Two weeks ago a Dundee United fan asked me what we’d done to Stuart Armstrong and Gary Mackay-Steven.  Armstrong, he explained, was never going to make it as a wide player, he was effective for United through the middle.

I think we suffered for the loss of Tom Rogic, as Stuart edged himself into the occasion, but it may be Ronny Deila deployed him incorrectly.

Moments to cherish from the game: Moussa Dembele’s first touch to control Lustig’s cross at the fourth, and his reverse pass for Scott Sinclair at the third.  You’ve not seen control and awareness like that from a Celtic striker in over a decade.

We’ll touch on the longer-term issues of yesterday at a later date, after we’ve got Barcelona out of our system.

The one thing we all wanted from yesterday was to come through the game without further injuries.  Both Scott Brown and Tom Rogic, two of our central midfield three, retired early.  I’m not going to tell you we’ll take anything from Barcelona on Tuesday, but having Brown, Rogic and Bitton in the team will allow us to at least face the game in decent condition.

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  1. A great wee day out on Saturday, sun shining, total command of the game other than about 8 minutes, home in time to decorate the wean’s room and still get out for a pint later on.

     

     

    Dembele incredible. Forrest deserves a special mention. They’d 3 on him at one point. Had Roberts hit his stride when he came on it really could have been 7.

     

     

    Rodgers interview after the game was insightful. Took Armstrong aside on Friday and told him to be ready for a big part. What was most encouraging was him saying that he has been looking at Armstrong’s role and needs to change it, and that he’s more of No 10. Great to hear, man management at its very best.

     

     

    As for TFOD, they have made a monumental error dismantling their youthful team and giving contracts to these journeymen cloggers. If you have twitter, have a look at this analysis video. Absolutely terrific. Warburton should be sacked off the back of it. https://twitter.com/dougie_analysis/status/775010266698379264

     

     

    5-1. Just marvellous.

  2. Oops posted before I finished. Meant to say that it is only my personal opinion but I supported just about everything the GB did on Saturday and I certainly was not offended by the GB’s Hun scum banner but would have preferred Sevco. I’ve already explained why.

  3. Dontbrattbakkinanger on

    Only blot on Saturday’s sunshine supershow for me was the ‘flag of war’ banner’.

     

     

    Dearie me.

     

     

    No shortage of flags of war in Syria.

     

     

    No shortage of pulverised human remains either.

     

     

    Anyways… a grand day out, and the icing on the cake was Helen’s acquittal at Borchester Crown Court.

  4. traditionalist88 on

    MadMitch on 12th September 2016 10:47 am

     

     

    Tomorrow night may be less of a worry in that regard – full backs won’t be venturing too far.

     

     

    Agree we would have regained composure, just like Hapoel and gone on to finish them off,

     

     

    HH

  5. MADMITCH on 12TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:36 AM

     

     

    I have reservations about the whole vanguardist approach of football ultras, but to be fair to the GB, when they started CP was like a morgue and they have revitalised the place.

  6. MADMITCH…

     

    I’m not getting involved in a cyberspat,it’s immature and vapid.

     

    No hard feelings,take it easy and enjoy your day.

  7. VFR800A8

     

     

    Having read

     

    https://www.amazon.com/Pirates-Punks-Politics-Falling-Football/dp/190752441X I muse admit to a smile when I see reference to The Curve. So much better than the Standing Area.

     

     

    The book is a very interesting read from many angles including the tension between running a club, being part of a community and the pursuit of ideals.

     

     

    I watch football for the football. Others for the camaraderie, others to belong and others in pursuit of ideals, some for the singing and dancing. . Each is not mutually exclusive, probably more a matter of prioritising, but there does have to be balance in the tension lest it tears the fabric apart but it seems to me the balance is as pretty near equilibrium than its ever been.

     

     

    Interesting stuff fitbaw.

  8. BK @ 10.57

     

     

    BR seems to have his own thoughts regarding the No.10 position.

     

    TR has put himself in pole position for that role by his performances on the pitch.

     

    He has his own style but BR seems to want something else.

     

     

    My view from afar is that BR does not seem that sold on him.

     

    He has not played him in every game and he seems to want to talk up other players for that position.

     

     

    SA is a top player — he probably needs more arms around the shoulder than boots up the erse.

     

    My thoughts are that he is a true creative CM rather than a No.10 but then again I am am ex egg chaser who gave up football at 12.

     

     

    TR is an exceptional player — looking like the Aus NT are going to build around him for the next 4 years at least — and I would hope we can do something similar.

     

     

    Finally interesting to see how KA develops this season.

     

    Strange one — he is more involved with the seniors than the U20’s.

  9. MadMitch on 12th September 2016 10:40 am

     

     

    VFR @ 10.35

     

     

    That may be a joke to you but it is not to me.

     

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    MM, I had my say on the faux indignation earlier and stated my disapproval.

     

     

    However, let’s not lose our sense of humour at the same time. I was for a nano-second wishing it had been 3 dummies so I could’ve included Joseph Anthony in the wee jest!

     

     

    At least it brought a smile to the fizzogs of BMCUWP and TTT, even if you couldnae’ let oot a wee wry smile!

     

     

    As far as the GB go, I think you are well wide of the mark. When the GB was embryonic and starting out I had a couple of seats near them with my grandson who was about 6 or 7 at the time; a lot of what went on then was inappropriate and as a consequence I moved my seats to Section 442 at the opposite end of the ground. Over the past few seasons I was wishing I had my original seats as the ‘library’ atmosphere was brutal. So much so that my grandson started to lose interest and no longer attends. My mate comes with me now.

     

     

    This season, with much glee, I managed to get 2 tickets in Section 111 – The North Curve. Now I am nearer 60 than 50 now (as is my pal) and I will admit to feeling slightly achy after my 2 hour aerobic work out on Saturday afternoon and it was brilliant!

     

     

    The GB add colour, humour and atmosphere to Celtic Park and that nascent Spirit of The Jungle that was so badly missed after the stadium was redeveloped. The rest of the fans weren’t joining in over the last few seasons and I honestly believe that without the GB fan participation would have been negligible during the games.

     

     

    Your main point that they do not understand progressive politics and the founding ethos of the club is, IMHO so wide of the mark it’s untrue. They do get it entirely and if you knew more of the charitable work they do (which is driven by their political stance) you would not make such a statement. If you do know about it, then you obviously just don’t like them!

     

     

    The nature of young peoples involvement in politics is that often their immaturity and youthful exuberance means that sometimes they get it wrong! That’s a learning experience: but at least they are politically active and motivated, unlike, IMHO, the majority of younger people in Scotland.

     

     

    Anyway, “rant” over. The GB are, in the main, a good thing and brighten the matchday experience for me and thousands of others. Long may it continue!

     

     

    FAC the Act

     

     

    KTF

  10. traditionalist88 on

    ernie lynch on 12th September 2016 11:01 am

     

     

    Agreed. It felt a little contrived at times with the old GB section, but the new standing section is doing its job. Besides, is it better to be contrived or wait for an inebriated guy to finish his carry oot to get the chants going?!

     

     

    Alongside the football the atmosphere is what makes the young fans fall in love with the club and form a stronger emotional bond, and make them want to go back.

     

     

    Its important because inevitably at times the football won’t be good, we will lose matches and if the atmosphere is depressingly quiet throughout its no surprise the kids won;t get hooked!

     

     

    HH

  11. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY. 1056

     

     

    That’s a fair point,mate. I don’t recall that mob,seems they got more publicity than they deserved.

     

     

    I wonder why-after all,even those they clearly viewed as their core demographic ignored them!

     

     

    Obviously the term has connotations from your experience. I agree it isn’t a pleasant one. There are worse things in our support more deserving of our self-policing though.

     

     

    And for sure,there are worse things in theirs.

     

     

    We can clean out our own stables. They,as I said,are up to their knees in it.

  12. What a wonderful weekend came off the plane from Santa Ponsa to find out celts had won 5-1 to top it off its MrsFB67 birthday today & our 36th wedding anniversary life is wonderful just now.HH

     

     

     

    Great being a Tim CSC

  13. Baba @ 11.08

     

     

    Fair point well made …

     

    Phaser now set to stun — giving my age away now.

     

     

    Enjoy the vibe until tomorrow comes.

     

    For the record — we will score a goal.

  14. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    HAPPY HOOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to

     

     

    Mrs FRANNYB67!!!!!

     

     

    And…

     

     

    HAPPY HOOOOOPY ANNIVERSARY to

     

     

    The Perrayeez!!!!!!

     

     

    PS-Mrs F,I hope he’s been buying you two presents all these years(!)

  15. It seems Joseph Anthony named the horse himself after he signed for the huns.

     

     

    It appears to be even slower than its owner.

  16. I think observers will need to set ‘honest mistake sensors’ to max for their game at home to Ross County. They will not want them dropping out of the top 3, with a points gap to recover (albeit only 2) this early in the season.

  17. prestonpans bhoys on

    vfr800a8 on 12th September 2016 11:14 am

     

     

    I agree with you for those of us in the 50+ club in the standing area its some exercise we go through per game :0)

  18. VFR @ 11.??

     

     

    You mention the Jungle.

     

     

    From my limited exposure from the old Main stand it was the spontaneous element of the singing that made the most impact.

     

     

    Then there was the contrast —

     

     

    Jungle — Cheeky, radical, close to the bone.

     

    The CE — Traditional, more in tune, deeper voices.

     

     

    The GB just don’t have it in any way shape or form.

     

    They seem to have everything set up before the game.

     

     

    Crowd pleaser, original material, political / Republican Party song.

     

    Rinse and repeat.

     

     

    Also they have been out sung by both the Sheep and Hertz over the past 6 months.

     

    That would never have happened when we had the Jungle.

     

     

    I do appreciate the issues with all seater stadiums but the GB are not the complete answer. They have their part to play but flogging T shirts is a bit grubby.

  19. MADMITCH…

     

    Hope so,it’s the against column i’m worried about.

     

    I just hope we use this CL campaign to properly prepare for next season ,where i’ll be looking for us to be capable of genuine comepetitiveness rather than the heartful of hope approach i’m carrying this season.

     

    Amywho,it beats watching our league opponents.Can never get enough of watching Messi,Suarez,Aguero etc.

     

     

    HH

  20. AuroraBorealis79 on

    TWISTS N TURNS on 12TH SEPTEMBER 2016 9:31 AM

     

    Wasn’t a cheap stunt either.

     

     

    Those dolls cost £49.99 each , or 2 for £79.99

     

     

     

     

    Who ya hear that from – the sales clerk in the sex shop?

  21. Bobby

     

     

    Yes. They eventually disappeared. I think the fine, upstanding Protestant people of Scotland didn’t like the cut of their jib or the message that they were espousing and totally ignored them. The word though has sadly found common currency, especially amongst football fans, since.

  22. ERNIE LYNCH on 12TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:25 AM

     

    It seems Joseph Anthony named the horse himself after he signed for the huns.

     

     

     

    It appears to be even slower than its owner.

     

    = = = = = = = =

     

    That must be one slow nag.Is it already glue? ;))

  23. The Green Man says SACK THE Board on

    Morning Celts

     

     

    Ernie Lynch @11.01

     

     

    ‘Vanguardist approach’….Five Year Plan?

     

     

    HH

  24. Different strokes for different folks etc .

     

     

    I didn’t watch the game — I find the very existence of the accommodated and facilitated Temporary Licence FC offensive .

     

     

    I did have a look at the dolls — I see nothing offensive in that . .Most humor originates in what could be called bad taste.

     

     

    Brief phone chat with a Bluenose pal last night – his view — ” shame the dummies weren’t accompanied by a hangman called Murray “

  25. jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on

    08000834095 has anyone phoned this number?? I did and they can save me £64 pm on broadband phone tv I have with Virgin and I stay virgin.

     

     

    Let me know if you have.

     

     

    H H

  26. MADMITCH on 12TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:29 AM

     

     

    So the Jungle was better than the GB?

     

     

    So what? It’s hardly relevant.

     

     

    What’s relevant is whether the GB are better than what went immediately before them, not what happened a generation before them.

     

     

    And the spirit of the Jungle is still there with the away support.

  27. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    Saturday will live long in our memories. But it was the 15th anniversary of a day which few of us will ever forget.

     

     

    If you live in a tower block right beside The Twin Towers,how do you get the hell out of Dodge?

     

     

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/09/the-twin-towers-a-kayak-and-a-surreal-memory-of-911?mbid=nl_CH_57d318eba9f841aa372f5512&CNDID=37510702&spMailingID=9496783&spUserID=MTMzMTgzMDU3NzU0S0&spJobID=1000907191&spReportId=MTAwMDkwNzE5MQS2

  28. Auldheid on 12th September 2016 11:08 am

     

     

    Just bought the Kindle Edition so I’ll let you know what I think.

     

     

    I started off in the mid-60’s at the pylon beside the Jungle (Celtic End) and as I got older and went with my mates it was just under the TV gantry in The Jungle. That was the place to be. The North Curve isn’t quite the same, (though at goal number 4 a cup of coke was kicked over and ran down the steps: just like days of yore only it wisnae yellow and warm) but it’s as close a we will get in the modern more sanitised age of watching football!

     

     

    A visit to a St Pauli game is definitely on my bucket list though!

     

     

    FAC the Act

     

     

    KTF

  29. Does anyone think we’ll see a penny from the damage caused by the Huns! Nope, nor do I.

     

     

    I’m still floating with result, reckon we took our foot of the gas with a minute to go though.;))

  30. Cmon I’ve come in wanting to hear hilarious Mon morning work related posts from bhoys who have to try a keep a straight face. Any no shows this morning?

  31. The Green Man says SACK THE Board on

    Yeah, a few bad taste dummies, no doubt.

     

    But for the worst bigots in football to be offended….aye, nae bother.

     

    If i begun now and listed the offensive barrage of the Huns, id still be writing tonight.

     

    Celtic fans are the best in the world……by far.

     

     

     

    HH

  32. TONYDONNELLY67 on 12TH SEPTEMBER 2016 8:55 AM

     

    I’m looking at James Dolman on Twitter, was this hanging a rubber doll with a Sevco scarf allegedly at Celtic park a photo shop, or the real deal? Anyone see it? If it was done, then I’m afraid it’s bang out of order, and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

     

     

    “A bad taste in your mouth”.I am afraid Tony,you have not read the instructions on the Doll boxes correctly.

  33. The Green Man says SACK THE Board on

    Turkeybhoy

     

     

    I hope you stop moaning now.

     

    How many goals do you want ffs, isnt 5 enough:)

     

     

    HH