When Gordon Strachan left Celtic in 2009 the overwhelming calls on CQN were for the club to go for broke and appoint Davie Moyes as manager. Again last year, when we were replacing Ronny Deila, Davie and Brendan Rodgers were Celtic’s top choices for the job.
This week Davie, one of the most awful central defenders to have played for Celtic in my time, underwhelmed West Ham fans when given the job of rescuing them from relegation.
Davie did well in his first managerial job at Preston, then rescued Everton from the failing hands of Walter Smith, taking the club on an 11-year run of what is regarded as success around those parts. Throughout his Everton era he was a hot prospect. The Manchester United job was his four years ago, but little has gone his way since. He left Old Trafford, Real Sociedad and Sunderland under a cloud in quick succession.
We could have had him before Sunderland last year and we would have been delighted at the appointment too. It may even have worked out well. Despite that, I don’t expect him to inspire West Ham to midfield mediocrity. The West Ham job is one of many wonderfully well-paid bad jobs in England. They may avoid relegation, but Davie will never be liked.
Brendan Rodgers will receive regular calls from representatives of West Ham-like clubs, with plenty of money but little hope of success. The Celtic job is far from perfect, but there are few better gigs.
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THE TOKEN TIM on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 1:53 PM
Aye it was the Law, Maroon for St. Athanasius in Carluke. Black for that reknowned seat of learning St.Aidan’s in Wishae (John Higgans and Joe Jordan old bhoys)
BARNEY63 I know those two scoundrels, they shouldny be let out alone let alone running busses :-)
Earnie………Yes, I joined because I had a love of, and fascination for aviation, I fancied fixing aeroplanes for a living. I went for an interview for an apprenticeshop with Rolls Royce (Derby) in 1974 just as the RB211 was installed in the new sensation, the Jumbo Jet.
The old codger (he was probably 30ish) interviewing me asked me if i’d heard of the RB211.
I impressed him with my answer in the affirmative and he tried to impress me by saying I would learn my craft on said engine and probably retire working on the same type. That didn’t set my heart racing to be honest. However, Turns out he was correct, both the RB211 and I are approaching 45 years service each and i’ll be hoping to retire before it. Altruistic?? I don’t mind strangers pigeon holing me, I like to surprise them when we meet.
I picked up some undeserved medals on the way but I class myself no more of a hero than the folk who goes down a pit, climbs down deep holes, or up big buildings, runs towards trouble, accidents/incidents/fires etc.
My own thoughts are Help for Heroes is a scam, I have no doubt there are MANY decent honourable people doing what they think is right and if one of my own were in need i’d be grateful but any government who send their kids away to wars should have the decency to put them back into society in the same condition they joined, or at least spare no expence making their lives worth living.
ERNIE LYNCH on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 3:45 PM
Ernie, debating with you is reminiscent of picking a scab; you know it’s painful and pointless but still have an urge to do it.
As ever, you never answer the points you don’t want to cover and deliberately narrow down the debate to your chosen areas; like a politician without the wit so to speak.
If you want to address all points made I will be happy to continue; otherwise it’s pointless.
KTF
So Uefa have decided it’s ok for Engerland an Germany to wear black armbands with poppies on for their game tomorrow.
Sorry but I thought the whole idea of the poppy was to commemorate the dead an fallen ON BOTH SIDES anyway.
ERNIE LYNCH on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 3:45 PM
“When you sign up, is there a box you can tick for ‘only to be used in a support role’?”
A new one on me that is.
My Great Grampa, Paw Craig, was a pacifist.
Day 1, World War 1, he joined as a stretcher bearer and did the whole war on the front line. Now THAT big quiet gentle man deserved medals.
BAWSMAN
have come up on that bus a couple of times when visiting in Richmond
Two stick out losing league at Celtic park last day of season Huns
3 up at Killie before I got to seat
And a New years Day game 1-1 I think when snow closed A66 and
bus went up to NEWCASTLE thinking we might stop there and watch
in IRISH center but word came through road was open.
Both time and probably a couple more enjoyed company including a few
headbangers from Catterick.
RAYMAC
Monseigneur O’Flaherty?
Wow!!!
I’ll mail you an article by BRT&H about him. Well worth the read-as always!
Bawsman, yer right about some of the help for heroes people. I know a Scouser who did it, openly told me he kept any notes donated. Not saying they all do, but he did.
Barney 63. 4.12
That’s not my understanding. I thought it was the allied forces, only that are remembered. The same as it is only the military losses that are remembered and not civilian casualties.
I’m would be happy if someone more knowledgeable than me could clarify.
Tontine Tim.
My uncle spent 30 years in Canadian forces lived in Calgary and Alberta.
No matter what anyones thoughts are, the greatest thing is we still have the freedom to choose, for now !!!
Hail Hail
JNP
Re. `the `freedom` to choose .`
What are the choices?
JJ
JnP seems you’re right, I’ve been mistaken all these years. But lifted this from BL site..
The poppy is
A symbol of Remembrance and hope
Worn by millions of people
Red because of the natural colour of field poppies
The poppy is NOT
A symbol of death or a sign of support for war
A reflection of politics or religion
Red to reflect the colour of blood.
MODERATOR
Can you delete my post at 3;12pm please.
Hot Smoked. 4.55.
Sorry, I should have been more precise.
The freedom of choice was merely whether or not to wear a poppy.
Barney 63. 4.55.
Thank you for response.
Hail Hail
JNP
Thanks.
I didn`t agree with what I thought you said but I am at least partially in agreement with what you did say !
JJ
Hot Smoked 5.03.
Thanks.
That’s what I get for typing whilst trying to entertain a 7 year old.
Reading back ” greatest” wasn’t really appropriate either.
Hail Hail
Hunderbirds:: sorry for the loss of your friend, Dougie.
Ar dheis lámh Dhé go raibh a anam uasal.
……and while I am in an agreeable mood, I agree with ernie that the idea that those in the armed forces joined to fight for our freedom is a false notion.
Throughout a teaching career of many years, I met many young men who joined the Forces. I asked every one why he was joining. The replies were not incredibly varied — adventurous, travel, learn a trade , get away from this place — but not once did a single person say : To fight for your Freedom.
To imagine that those who fought in the two World Wars were vastly different in character from the majority today, would not stand scrutiny.
JJ
JC2 on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 4:28 PM………..Ye sure pick em ;-)
My fave day on the Darlo bus was the day we stopped the 10.
This guy joined the bus that day at Scotch Corner, he’d hitched from Portsmouth…..ticketless but said he had to be there.
Banter was good, songs were great and we stopped en-route for a swally. One of the older guys on the bus (Mick – I’ll not give his surname) took the hitch-hiking Tim aside and slipped him his ticket telling him he’d seen thousands of great days and it would be good if this fella could witness ONE. Remember those dark days??
I had to look out the window at that bit as there was some smoke getting in my eyes, Mick had just gave away his ticket to the stop the 10 game.
Fast forward a few years and I manage to get 2 gold dust tickets for the final in Seville (long story). I’d not long moved to St. Annes and only recently joined the Blackpool bus. My da said he didn’t want to go, my wife was coming to Seville (long story) but didn’t want to ‘waste’ the ticket on herself,
Everybody was looking for a ticket and I had a spare, I was stumped………..Sitting in the house pondering who I should give the ticket to and the phone rings and it’s Mick, not heard from him in ages, he was absolutely desperate trying to source a ticket to the final for his son and thought he’d try me. Karma eh?
Hot Smoked 5.14.
Wow Jeezo, I didn’t know you were a teacher.
Hamilton Tim uses my posts for his Primary school pupils, that is, in a can you point out the mistakes in this post way.
My boss who lurks, read it and thought what H.T. posted was hilarious.
If you can’t laugh at yourself who can you laugh it? :-))
Hail Hail
Lack of Football allows the annual Poppy debate to flourish. It’s like Groundhog debate, we all repeat what we said the previous year.
Like most here I have a Family connection with WW 1, My Grand Dad & his brother in law enlisted as young men. My Grand Dad was shot in the shoulder in France & his Brother in Law was killed in Belgium. Yet for me to wear a Poppy they would have to nail it to my chest.
I mean no disrespect to that generation of young men who were needlessly slaughtered many of them fellow Irishmen, I object to what the Poppy has been turned into.
Having said that I have no bother at all with anyone Celtic, Irish or otherwise who decides to wear one,
I remember my Grandad & all my deceased Family with a Prayer every night, no disrespect but no Poppy either for me.
Bawsman 5.16.
Magic.
Stories like that gladden my heart.
Hail Hail
Hunderbirds.
Sorry to hear the news about your friend.
Condolences to you and all his loved ones.
Hail Hail
TD67, welcome back. HH
Bawsman
You’ll have us all humming Two Little Boys by Rolf Harris.
Aw naw, no’ another songs debate……
Dembele starts for France.
Bawsman, Absolutely loved that story.
At present I have 2 great CQN’ers who have given me their tickets for the 3 European Home Games.
Again their attitude was they had seen it all & even if they didn’t source a ticket & had to watch game on Telly they would get a bigger kick out of 2 Irish Tims coming over & experiencing the big occasion.
Bournesouprecipie & EuroChamps I hope the Karma Mick experienced visits ye as well.
p.s. While I’m on the subject a very good Tim. who lurks but rarely posts, LynchieBhoy is looking for 1 ticket for Anderlecht game.
This guy is the real deal, hails from The Royal County of Meath & goes to a good few games every year, if anyone has a spare let me know and I can make the arrangements.
To be honest I’ve never understood the concept of War. We were taught, from an early age, killing another person was the worse thing you can do. Then a government decides it’s fallen out with another government so there’s yer rifle go an murder as many poor feckers as you can it’s alright yer allowed. Even have priests saying wire in boys. What a world.
Hunderbirds, condolences on the sad loss of your friend Dougie. Thoughts and prayers for all concerned.
Corkcelt
This part of your post sums it up perfectly for me:
” I object to what the Poppy has been turned into.
Having said that I have no bother at all with anyone Celtic, Irish or otherwise who decides to wear one, ”
Also, I see you will be over for the Anderlecht game. It would be great to meet up again with you and Mick.
JJ
was gonna say might cheer on norn ireland tonight because of brendan. then i thought of lenny so mibbes naw.
Bawsman- lovely story
Barney 63
Your post shows that you have understood perfectly the concept of War .
JJ
tontine@3:01
i am with you regarding remembrance day.
td67
hope you are well.
Hunderbirds – Thoughts and Prayers with your friend Dougie, his family and friends at this sad time
HH
hunderbirds.
condolences on the loss of your friend, far to young.
also condolences to allthe bhoys wuo have lost a family or friend the past week.
larrson just won two sisters the jackpot on Pointless – bhoyfriend tells her if anything to do with fitba comes up, say ‘larrson’
final question is ‘scorers in euro 2000 !!
brilliant
Hunderbirds , my condolences to you and Dougie’s family on his passing away.
May his soul rest in peace .
I woud like express my gratitude to all the posters offering condolences and kind thoughts following the passing away of my dad. They are very much apreciated.
Tontine Tim, my dad was called up in 1944 then discharged in 1947 . He thought he would be home by August 1945 as the war in Europe had ended three months earlier. His last posting was to Aldershot from 1946 to 1947.
He told me one possibly two Canadian regiments were still stationed at Aldershot in late 1946 early 1947 . Some of these troops had been away from home since 1941 and were desperate to be demobbed.
Understandibly the Canadian soldiers were extremely frustrated to still be in England . They took their frustrations out on the redcaps and British officers they came across. My dad , if he heard a Canadian accent , got out of their way sharpish , as some ordinary British forces personnel , got a doing also.
JJ I hear you. Homo Sapiens didn’t get to the top of the food tree because we’re nice. A wee quote from the series The Vietnam War, now on the BBC and we’ll worth a watch.
Hail Hail.
Scaniel – Re Kracow from this morning, Ms S and myself loved the city and people, seen lots but so much more to see, so another visit will be made at some point.
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 – I sent the post about Willie Angus to my older son, he offered further info that Willie was in the Highland Light Infantry (also known as the Hairy Legged Irish), – an antecedent regiment to the RHF. Every day is a school day!!
HH