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When Gordon Strachan left Celtic in 2009 the overwhelming calls on CQN were for the club to go for broke and appoint Davie Moyes as manager. Again last year, when we were replacing Ronny Deila, Davie and Brendan Rodgers were Celtic’s top choices for the job.

This week Davie, one of the most awful central defenders to have played for Celtic in my time, underwhelmed West Ham fans when given the job of rescuing them from relegation.

Davie did well in his first managerial job at Preston, then rescued Everton from the failing hands of Walter Smith, taking the club on an 11-year run of what is regarded as success around those parts. Throughout his Everton era he was a hot prospect. The Manchester United job was his four years ago, but little has gone his way since. He left Old Trafford, Real Sociedad and Sunderland under a cloud in quick succession.

We could have had him before Sunderland last year and we would have been delighted at the appointment too. It may even have worked out well. Despite that, I don’t expect him to inspire West Ham to midfield mediocrity. The West Ham job is one of many wonderfully well-paid bad jobs in England. They may avoid relegation, but Davie will never be liked.

Brendan Rodgers will receive regular calls from representatives of West Ham-like clubs, with plenty of money but little hope of success. The Celtic job is far from perfect, but there are few better gigs.

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  1. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    I wish David Moyes well. I don’t think he was treated fairly at Old Trafford,following managers were given c£600m to rebuild the side He was given enough for two players,one in January.

     

     

    I still think Alex Ferguson’s greatest achievement was to win his final title with a team which was pretty much finished. Certainly it was the worst he took to a title.

     

     

    But if he succeeds,it won’t be pretty to watch. And the fans might not like that!

  2. Lookin’ forward to a right few belters during the horrible hiatus, heightened only by the annual hi-jacked. hunned-up flower thing.

     

     

     

    HH.

  3. BR is very aware that there are economic super clubs out there, Chelsea due to[Abramovich] Man City due to the Sheik, Man utd, however reading about him and listening to his comments he derives his satisfaction from improving players where he works, I’m not saying he would refuse to go should one of these come calling but he is happy here doing what he does and I get the feeling is not in any rush to go anywhere else, I for one am thankful that he is at Celtic and is a class act, I hope this continues for many many years to come and should a new challenge in the league we play in happens then why move at all.

  4. What’s the next squirrel?

     

     

    …..Brendan?

     

     

    We can offer him sporting immortality of sorts, that’s a meaningful motivator to someone who is already minted and has already looked over the empty void of fleeting success.

  5. For what it’s worth #1 .

     

     

    West Ham -.

     

     

    My West Ham mate opined that West Ham live in permament purgatory in consequence of being owned by the Dildo Brothers . He added that the best that could be hoped for Moyes was that he would get lost in the much hated stadium .

     

     

    For what it’s worth # 2 –

     

     

    Sweden v Italy tomorrow night . . Looks like a squad of players who think their Manager is an absolute tottie dead man walking have decreed that Italy will play 3-5 -2 and not Ventura’s absurdly inappropriate 4 4 2 .. There is much angst re the games v Sweden . . Not qualifying is already being described as ” a national disaster ” .

     

     

    A sunny 20 degrees at 11 am -way down south

     

     

    Pride and Ambition

     

    https://youtu.be/fOl9U0nyow8

  6. VFR800 is now a Monster 821 on

    Repost from last night:

     

    Just a wee note to say that the Willie Angus CSC (Armed Forces & Veterans Celtic Supporters’ Association) will have their colours blessed in St Mary’s at 5:30 Mass this Saturday evening.

     

     

     

    In these days of “discussion” around the Poppy debate, it’s worth mentioning that this is probably the largest CSC around with about 4,000 members!

     

     

     

    I will try and get a more descriptive article about this CSC in the next few days. Suffice to say as the father of a serving soldier and another son who is ex-serving and still in the TA (as well as a family history of strong Irish Republicans); as well as a good number of friends who are either still serving or in the TA, we should remember that we have thousands upon thousands of the Celtic family in our armed forces as well as many, many Celtic players and fans who died in the 2 great wars.

     

     

     

    It’s never just black and white (or red and white) in these debates. So s much as I will try to get to the Hoot on Saturday, I will also do my best to get to the Mass on Saturday as well.

     

     

     

    Google Willie Angus VC.

     

     

     

    KTF

  7. VFR800 is now a Monster 821 on

    Word of The Day

     

     

    pedagogue /ˈpɛdəˌɡɒɡ/

     

     

    noun

     

    1. a teacher or educator

     

    2. a pedantic or dogmatic teacher

     

    3. a person who is pedantic, dogmatic, and formal.

     

     

    Derived Forms

     

    pedagogic, pedagogical, adjective

     

    pedagogically, adverb

     

    pedagogism, pedagoguism, noun

     

     

    Word Origin and History for pedagogue

     

    n.

     

    late 14c., “schoolmaster, teacher,” from Old French pedagoge “teacher of children” (14c.), from Latin paedagogus, from Greek paidagogos “slave who escorts boys to school and generally supervises them,” later “a teacher,” from pais (genitive paidos) “child” (see pedo- ) + agogos”leader,” from agein “to lead” (see act (n.)). Hostile implications in the word are at least from the time of Pepys (1650s). Related: Pedagogal.

     

     

     

    KTF

  8. Cashing in —

     

     

    Oot n aboot in Sciacca earlier — 2 bars advertising that they will be showing Saturday’s World Cup game between Cote d’Ivoire and Morocco . . Big crowds of migrants expected to watch it — Morocco need a draw / Cote d’Ivoire need a win to qualify for the real thing in Russia . 5 euros a ticket and both bars have informed those attending – — NO HERBA PER FAVORE .. I’m told that the current Moroccan team is the best in a long long time . . I’m tempted to go and watch it .

  9. BBC’s Chris McLaughlin sending out a squirrel regarding the poor ticket sales for tonight’s game at Pittodrie, over 16,500 tickets have been sold he gleefully said….

     

     

    put this figure into context, it wouldn’t even fill one of the ends at Hampden….

  10. I forgot about Brendan’s link to Chelsea. Not sure his football ethos fits with theirs. Still think it’s Arsenal we should be wary of.

     

    Anyway I’m certain he will be here next year and maybe the next. Not so sure about him being here for the ten.

  11. GreenJedi,

     

    16,500+ in Pittodrie is 80% of capacity,no bad for a meaningless game methinks

     

    HH

  12. SHUGGIEBHOY67 that puts it in context, 80% is’nt bad for a nothing game on a dreich Thursday – if in fact that is the figure. H H Hebcelt

  13. Good Afternoon.

     

     

    A busy day at Clumpany Towers yesterday. Four new pieces… No, really…

     

     

    One about selling Kieran Tierney https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/pssst-wanna-buy-kieran-tierney/

     

     

    One about Dermot Desmond and the taxman https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/dermot-desmond-and-the-taxman/

     

     

    One about the Sevco accounts https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/those-rifc-accounts-in-full/

     

     

    And one about Derek McInnes leaving Aberdeen https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2017/11/08/goodbye-derek-mcinnes/

     

     

    Enjoy!

  14. VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821

     

     

    Great post mate. I’m ex-RAF (23 Years) with a daughter now in the same and nieces/nephews in the Army/Navy.

     

     

    I was a member of the Darlington CSC and we picked up many army lads at Scotch Corner, they new all the ‘best’ choons.

     

     

    It was either the pits, railway, Ravenscraig or Law Hospital as job choices when I was 16, bollix to that, I had a world to see.

     

     

    Funny thing was, I was born and brought up in a bitter little orange hole of a Lanarkshire mining village. I had the only maroon blazer on the school bus for primary then the only black blazer on the bus to secondary. I don’t think it’s an exageration to say I had a fight at least once a week – probably more when my sister joined me.

     

     

    It was fantastic to be away from all that shite, I came across the odd hun at work but very, very few, most of the guys who liked football had a soft spot for the hoops, or at least they eventually had when I finished with them.

     

     

    I’ve met some brilliant Tims in the RAF who spend a fortune on the bhoys. Everyone on the Blackpool Shamrock new by background never a bother, love them all.

     

     

    Fire away :-)

  15. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    “We could have had him before Sunderland last year and we would have been delighted at the appointment too”

     

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    Speak for yourself, Paul!

  16. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    The Green Jedi on 9th November 2017 10:55 am

     

     

     

    BBC’s Chris McLaughlin sending out a squirrel regarding the poor ticket sales for tonight’s game at Pittodrie, over 16,500 tickets have been sold he gleefully said….

     

     

     

     

     

     

    put this figure into context, it wouldn’t even fill one of the ends at Hampden….

     

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    Certainly not if Hibs were playing!

  17. But Moyes, who started his playing career at Celtic, decided to walk away from the chance to return to Scotland because he wanted to return to the Premier League, leaving Brendan Rodgers to take over at Celtic Park.

     

     

    Really Moysie?

     

    An how did that work out for yi?

     

    Awe riiiiight….a seeeeee

     

    PS thanks for the KB (knock Back)

  18. VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 10:39 AM

     

     

     

    I think the poppy debate is black and white.

     

     

    The whole ramping up of events leading to Remembrance Sunday over the past ten years or so is part of an organised campaign to whip up nationalist fervour in the UK and portray anyone who either objects to the poppy and quietly decides not to wear one as the enemy within. Not only that, it’s getting worse with every passing year and shows no sign of abating. It’s no co-incidence that this is happening when public services are under contact attack and living standards for the many are in steep decline.

     

     

    By all means, remember friends, family and neighbours who may have made sacrifices in military (sometimes illegal) adventures but please do it privately as most of these wars (the second world war being the obvious exception) were fought by mercenaries and certainly not in my name.

     

     

    Other countries have been as or more involved or affected by armed conflicts but few of them get as agitated about “remembering the fallen” as we do in this country. If we spent half as much time looking forward as we do looking back, we could plan for a better future for the youth of today.

  19. BAWSMAN on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 12:40 PM

     

     

    So your decision to join the armed forces was entirely self serving and not in any way altruistic or dutiful?

     

     

    And therefore no different to any other career choice.

     

     

    I only make that point because it seems to be forgotten among all the ‘Help For Heroes’, ‘Military Covenant’ dominant narrative that we are surrounded by.

  20. M6BHOY on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 1:24 PM

     

     

     

    It’s worth remembering that the whole Remembrance day (or Armistice day as it was originally called) was only started as a gesture to the troops returning after the first world war who bore a lot of grievances about how they had been treated. There was a fear that their alienation and disaffection would make them prime recruiting targets by political extremists.

     

     

    The whole thing has been political from the start, albeit that a lot of people who take part do so sincerely.

  21. Bawsman @ 1240pm,

     

     

    Maroon Blazer: St Brigid’s?

     

    Black Blazer: St Aidan’s?

     

     

    Wasn’t Law village you hailed from was it?

     

    Mind I went to a 21st in the Masonic in Law (girl was an on-off burd of one of my mates). Literally got chased out of there, after being challenged for being for being not only from Wishy but also a Tim….my reply didnt help matters, and but for a taxi stopping, there is a very good chance I and my mates would have been having, ahem, residential status that night in the “The Law” just up the road!

     

     

    HAIL! HAIL!

     

    Token

  22. weebobbycollins on

    If I give a couple of quid to a Big Issue seller…do I then have to stick the big Issue on my lapel…is it not enough to simply donate?

  23. THE TOKEN TIM on 9TH NOVEMBER 2017 1:53 PM

     

    Bawsman @ 1240pm,

     

     

    the Masonic in Law

     

     

    ***

     

     

    you know what they say – “you can’t pick your family”