Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade. He said:
“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”
There has been no European ban. Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs. They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.
The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment. It changed nothing. Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so. They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.
As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition. Pointless.
Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”. Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.
Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats. How do you measure that? Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.
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HUN FREE
Its a great day when the most important word in the newco name is THE!
Or is it plc, who gives a **** it’s just pure class that no one remembers what they used to be called!
They go into history as a people who robbed pillaged wrecked and plundered Europe but unlike the Romans and the Vikings they did so with no success !
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Can’t believe I am typing this, but I thought that our famous 5 had a decent game tonight.
Quite interesting to see who the sfa regard as out top officials.
The head honcho did make a mistake or two, honest as they were, but nothing like when he is refereeing a Celtic or hun game, always said he was a good ref, has to be good to get away with cheating like he does when doing his job in scotland.
HT
I’ve taped it too…..!!!…..thanks for the heads up
bloke109
No difference between football club and company. Both are the same entity.
A football club was formed in 1872 (or 1873) and ran things quite informally. In 1899 the football club incorporated itself as a limited company. This gave the organisation a number of advantages. It could now raise capital, secure loans and sue and be sued in its own right. The incorporation produced a seperation between the owners of the company and the company itself and gave the owners limited liability for the debts of the company.
This act of incorporation is incredibly important and no one can say “oh well, its just the company thats dead, not the football club”. This is very wrong.
Incorporating the football club into a company gave advantages to owners as they could not be held responsible for the debts of the club. If the club wasn’t incorporated, Craig Whyte and the other 26,000 shareholders would be personally liable for the £150m odd debt. Houses could be sold to recover money for creditors.
Incorporation provides huge advantages but brings with it responsibilites in terms of what financial information must be disclosed and what rules it must follow. As The Rangers Football Club Plc is about to be liquidated and eventually dissolved, you can’t just say, that was the company, the football club survives. It doesn’t. It dies with the company.
Mort
HUN FREE
AS HUN FREE AS THE SERVCO
AS HUN FREE AS A NEWCO
AS HUN FREE AS SCOTTISH FOOTBALL
MWD
67H
Aye, but for how long ????
Take care out there, the reality has yet to hit thems…….
Well, no matter how much THE(Y) devour each other!
We, on the other hand are not allowed a squad of players…
Well, that will be that then…
DO YOUS ACTUALLY READ/UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU POST???
No wonder Scottish, eh naw, fitba is IN THE STATE IT’S IN.
Mort
Best comment I’ve read on the subject,great post.
HH
Calton Tongues
You just out the pub. That doesnt make sense. Again. :-)))
MWD
Awe Naw
HT Doppelgänger has arrived
Lennon n Mc….Mjallby at 22:58
Thanks. It is quite simple but there are many with agendas who will continue to try to confuse the issue so that they can say that Rangers still exist.
They don’t and no amount of wailing or gnashing of teeth will bring them back.
Mort
CT
A day spent in the surroundings of Bar67 perhaps!!??
Well miffed we haven’t signed embdy yet….
RFC plc bought Nikica Jelavic from Rapid Vienna.
RFC plc sold Nikica Jelavic to Everton.
Nikica Jelavic played for RFC plc.
Nikica Jelavic never played for TRFC new club.
If he did, TRFC 2012 would be liable for £1m still owed to Rapid Vienna.
They walked away from their footballing history when they walked away from their financial history.
Tiger Woods teeing off in Emerald Green tonight.
Darryl Broadfoot On Monday Salvation for the Old Firm May Well Lie On Their Own Doorstep
The Herald › October 12, 2009
Doncaster is intent on making a difference as chief executive of the Scottish Premier League, he should make haste in ordering a price cap on tickets to the dated old show and head the Old Firm off at the pass. This is merely the first, but arguably most important, step towards the fundamental change needed to rejuvenate a stagnant competition. The steady erosion of entertainment value from top to bottom has exhausted the loyalty of even the most ardent football follower and reopened the hoary old debate on the Old Firm flitting to England. Scottish football is approaching critical mass and nobody seems capable of finding a solution. It is the humble fan, not the mighty club or the Bosman-friendly footballer, who now wields the greatest power in the game. In their tens of thousands, they are voting with their feet and with their remote controls
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By Jim Spence BBC Sport Today
The Scottish FA aims to push through a merger of the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League in time for the start of the new season.
The governing body also wants to introduce a fairer system of income distribution and a pyramid system.
One SFA source told BBC Scotland: “We are at a situation of critical mass.
“Someone has to take a lead and sort out the internal bickering and point scoring and also to ensure that the Rangers situation never happens again.”
With Rangers destined for liquidation, a new company will submit a bid to join the SPL in time for next season since there are no regulations in place to cover the issue of a ‘newco’ route.
Once that application is received top flight clubs must wait at least 14 days before voting on the matter.
Should a new Rangers fail to gain the necessary 8-4 vote, they could turn to the SFL and apply to fill any vacancy created by a team being promoted into the SPL to take the place of the old Rangers.
But the SFA has lost patience with the two league bodies and is now set to push through radical change in the way the Scottish game is structured by next season.
“We need to use the mood for change among supporters in the country to tackle the current inertia and do what is right for the game,” the source continued.
“Change has to be democratic, but the time for talking has passed. We need action now to save the game.”
It is understood that, over the next few weeks, the SFA, which is the body that licenses the clubs to play, will hold meetings with the SPL and the SFL to push through the changes it feels are needed.
The SFA wants to merge the two current league bodies, introduce a new method of wealth distribution and to reinvigorate the Third Division with the introduction of a pyramid system to allow new clubs entry to a national league set-up.
“There is complete anarchy going on,” the source continued. “Both sides are agreed on the need for fundamental change, but neither side has been able to build an alliance.
“The fans are demanding fundamental change. The Rangers situation has intensified the need for a resolution and, over the next few weeks, we will meet with the SPL and SFL to find a solution.”
Dunfermline, who were relegated from the SPL last season, could be the team to benefit if a new Rangers fails to win a place in the top division.
Pars chairman John Yorkston welcomed the idea of a SFA-driven merger, although he was sceptical about how quickly such a move could be realised.
“Someone needs to take the bull by the horns,” he told BBC Scotland.
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So why does Daryll Broadfoot talk to Jim Spence at the BBC and cannot publish his name ?
Wee favours for that deid club ?
HH
“There are too many governing bodies and this should have been done long before now.
“But whether or not it could be done before the start of the season I very much doubt.”
Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. C’mon Wee Oscar. on 16 June, 2012 at 22:59 said:,
And:))
We had a Liquidation Party tonight but!!
Honestly, I was arguing in 67, to people who read MSM, and, it was get rid?
Someone earlier mentioned the 2-2 at ibrox where, he completed 100% passes and it was, so whit, HONESTLY?
Some people don’t understand fitba
BTW, You’ve still no paid for you and the wean at Tannadice:)))
Mort
Great post. You addressed it to me, but I am with that all the way. My point to hamiltontim was that they may have a new company name (minus letters p, l and c, but they do not have a new football club. That was all.
Sabre67 on 16 June, 2012 at 23:06 said:
Tiger Woods teeing off in Emerald Green tonight.
still a d1ck though!!
CT
I did. I done a dump in your dunny at the back of the bus.
MWD
CT
It was me that posted about Ki’s 100% pass success rate at the scrap yard.
You don’t think that’s mightily impressive and that baw retention is a big part of football??
Have you been drinking Ziggy’s vodka ya loony?? :-)
MWD
Thanks for the tip
HH
I noticed another leech Cosgrove talking up Jim Spence today.
Beware BBC talk.
HH
Awe Naw
Don’t know if I should, but reading between the lines, the sfa spokesperson was saying no huns in the top flight next season, could be reading it oh so wrong….
Best news I have heard the last few days is sally is staying on at the huns, whatever they will be, he is the worst manager I have ever seen at the top level he was involved in.
whats a hun ????
Awe Naw.
My pleasure.
MWD
TET
Jim Spence shouldn’t put his name to it. The BBC should have a policy with such bodies as the SFA that it can back this up.
This is Broadfoot widening the debate and scope … I reckon it is pure hot wind.
HH
Time to retire.
Work in a few hours.
Take care and god bless Timland.
HH
KTF
Awe Naw
Jim Spence should put his name to it, he is doing what other jurnos don’t have the cahones to do, he is sort of saying it like it is, at least he is trying.
Broadfoot and his ilk are complete tossers, JS is devoid of the west of scotland sectarian hate, that imo is a good thing, he has been a breath of fresh…ish air on the radio the past weeks, long may it continue.
lefthandpillaroldjungle on 16 June, 2012 at 23:15 said:
whats a hun ????
its an extinct species which bears a remarkable similarity to Neanderthal man…but with a much smaller brain….similar forehead though….makes them easy to spot….they where very easy to track leaving a cloven hoofprint which was a dead giveaway
hamiltontim on 16 June, 2012 at 23:10 said:,
Eh, no.
I agreed, was just sorting out t’ curry:-)
Sevco 5088
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Orange ?
SOBB
McCoist to be charged by SFA over his “I want to know who these men are” Oscar performance.
CT
He cannae remember Tannadice, he was up all night and could name bite his thumb BEFORE the game.
That bhoy needs you to take control and give him a bit more guidance.
you should be his mentor
hh
Name =not
bjmac on 16 June, 2012 at 23:31 said:,
Eh, no.
Tosh was in tonight and, you’re still his fav:-)))