Malcolm Murray, the newly appointed chairman of the Newco club Charles Green hopes to establish, yesterday entertained us with his comments on punishments served on a football team suspected of cheating you for over a decade. He said:
“We’ve had giant punishments already – a European ban, a 10-point deduction, the emotional trauma everyone has suffered. I think, for the good of Scottish football, it’s much better Rangers in the SPL.”
There has been no European ban. Newco will not be eligible for European competition because it is a Newco and Uefa requires three years accounts from participating clubs. They are simply not eligible, they have not and will not achieve the qualification criteria for European football for three years.
The 10-point penalty imposed on Rangers last season for seeking protection from creditors by going into administration is hardly a “giant” punishment. It changed nothing. Rangers were second in the league when it was imposed and remained so. They released no players and went on to defeat Motherwell twice, ensuring they finished the league in second place, earning £900k in additional prize money.
As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition. Pointless.
Which leaves us with “the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”. Compared to the emotional trauma suffered by Dundee, Motherwell, Gretna, Third Lanark fans, recent events have been nothing more than a focus for some robust rallying calls.
Don’t even start me on the emotional cost of losing the league in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and 2011, all to a team of cheats. How do you measure that? Think back to each day we lost those titles and tell me how you felt about them then and how you feel now, knowing you were cheated.
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Thanks guys.
Back to standing on toys in my bare feet!
Croatia just been charged by eufa for racist chanting.
Thank goodness that sort of thing doesn’t happen here!
Kilbowie Kelt on 16 June, 2012 at 13:21 said:
Maith thú :-)
Paul67
They have no idea of the damage they have done, they are phsychopaths.
” Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/[1][2] from the Ancient Greek ψυχή “psyche”, -soul, mind and πάθος, “pathos” -suffering, disease, condition[3][4]) is a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for the feelings of others and often the rules of society. Psychopaths have a lack of empathy and remorse, and have very shallow emotions. There is no consensus about the symptom criteria for psychopathy, and no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis of “psychopathy” itself.'[5]
If ever an entity fitted that description it is Dodo FC. The problem is the bird might be dead but its psychopath spirit is still alive and unwell. I think we have been labouring under the impression we are dealing with sane people, that rationale is possible, what is the treatment for psychopaths?
“the emotional trauma everyone has suffered”
I can’t speak for anyone else but I can assure Mr. Murray that I have suffered no emotional trauma of any kind over Rangers demise.
Quite the opposite.
If the sfa knew about dual contracts and EBTs through their office bearers like Ogilvie ,Smith ,Peat, McLennan and McIntyre then is it not possible for a Celtic shareholder to sue the sfa or the above names for denying Celtic the tens of millions of pounds that has fraudulently been acquired by the club formerly known as Glasgow Rangers ?
HH
Auldheid:
I posted at length here and on RTC yesterday on that very subject, and I won’t rehash it now, but I’ll ask a few questions:
There are two corporate identities holding bits of Rangers now. One has all the structures of a football club, or most of them, but holds not league place or license, and this has been freely admitted by Charles Green.
The other is an empty shell.
My questions is these; Is my understanding of this correct when I say that the licenses that empty shell holds are invalid, by virtue of them having no infrastructure of any kind? They would not meet even the minimum criteria in any area of the licensing documents … ANY of those areas, everything from the number of trained medical people they have employed to the requirements over directors, stadium and everything else ….
Isn’t it a fact that as of Charles Green’s taking over the structure of Dead Club and moving it into New Club, the SPL and SFA are now minus one team? That we are, in fact, in an eleven team league right now … and that the regulations for that, as laid down, give the next league place to Dundee?
Furthermore, doesn’t this fact now expressly destroy the assertion that this is a simple “transfer of share”, making this, instead, an “allocation of share”, which brings with it an 11 – 1 requirement to pass?
Oh yes, and with Dead Club no longer meeting the criteria for holding a share, and New Club not having one yet, doesn’t that rule them out of the vote?
My post at 13:21 ought to have read…
What a great blog – almost up to Paul’s standards (!) Sorry if posted earlier…
HH
Paul 67,
Keep at them – you’re crystalising the thoughts I have every time one of them spouts this “dropping” to div 3 rubbish.
They’re at the “tell a lie often enough and people will start to believe it” games.
Tom McLaughlin on 16 June, 2012 at 13:17 said:
Tom
Keep this to yourself,but I have performed on the stage of the Opera House.
Impressed?
I hope not.:-)
Amateur hour.
Peat’s open-mouthed roar of triumph – frozen in a camera’s moment – as Rangers scored against Celtic at Ibrox, tells us all we need to know about that mob.
How can so many people in positions of prominence be such bawbags?
Beggars belief. The most small minded, deluded, bitter, selfish, arrogant* people that you are!
*Feel free to add
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macanbheatha on 16 June, 2012 at 13:26 said: —-
Go raibh céad maith agat.
Happy Bloomsday.
stevebhoy on 16 June, 2012 at 13:21 said:
It certainly was and not the kind of journalism that is possible for a Scottish based journalist.
Walter Smith was up to his knees in “Rangers” demise, him and SDM.
Anyone who thinks that parachuting them into the SPL with a ten point penalty would give other teams a chance is deluding themselves. The MIB’s would try even harder to ensure they finished no worse than second.
James Forrest 13.28
HEAD NAIL HIT :)))
I just hope we are all over this.
Hows the Heid Paul :)))
Let’s say that they hadn’t cheated with EBTs.
We would have won in 2003,2005 and 2009 (just looking at the cliffhangers).
We got into the Champions League in 03/04 anyway thru qualification.
In 05/06 we would have avoided Artmedia and got into the group stages.
In 09/10 we would have avoided Arsenal and also got into the groups.
So we missed out 2 years CL money.
It’s hard to guess what would have happened with Mowbray’s team if things were fair.
P67-Spot on,the mantra is we have had enough sanctions/punishments.Pure nonsense,but as you know keep telling the same lie often enough……
“As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition. Pointless.”
Ace.
Invercelt
Anyone crossing a picket line is a scab. This may be a derogatory term but everyone understands it. If you have no qualms about crossing picket lines then you’ll not be bothered by the moniker.
The working solidarity of this principle has now been eroded both by government and by individuals who now care not a jot for another worker in dispute with their employer.
Perhaps you can remind me how many ballots Thatcher undertook with the voters of the country as she advanced a ‘war’ on the NUM? Oh. She was democratically elected? So both Thatcher, her cabinet and the NUM Council had the same status, ability to act and power to do so. Looks pretty similar to me?
The same type of ‘war’ she pursued on hunger strikers (remember them??).
The same ideology that introduced council housing sales. You may be surprised to understand the motivation behind this. Remove social housing and you undermine the ability of a striker to keep a roof over the family heads. Virtually nothing to do with ‘equality’ etc as touted.
Thatcherism gone???
You’d better look over your shoulder. The Etonians are back in power. Thatcherism is alive and well and prospering. We’re all in this together don’t you know.
It may be my generation, but I’ll take the values of the 70’s over the values on the new millennium any day of the week.
Ever dug coal? Thought not.
HH
Any plans for the Supporters Trusts/Representatives of all the SPL clubs standing side by side in a galvanised show of support against brand new club. After all, the recent SPL poll showed around 95% of supporters say no to a brand new club getting direct entry into Scotlands top flight.
A unified message of “NO” from all clubs might carry a bit of weight.
There’s a ponderous pundit called Hugh
Who wears goggles of an azure hue.
He always talks drivel
And never is civil
And his retirement is well overdue
MollyBloomCFC
I want them and their ilk investigated from the day Minty took over.
nostoneleftunturnedCSC
HH
¡ǝsoɥ ǝɥʇ ǝɯ ssɐd ‘sʞɔıʞ ʎןɟ ɥbnouǝ (o) /o\ z ʍoɹ –
Wow.
Just wow.
macanbheatha –
Fantastic.
PMSL
Got a wee tip for Jo’burg 4.15 York.
betresponsiblycsc
theweegreenman on 16 June, 2012 at 13:03 said:
Absolutely raging
Dropped into the Greenock Mall a couple of weeks ago to get the wee one some shoes. Went to the machine to get a ticket (had to enter my reg) no ticket dispensed.
Just got a letter from sone company wanting £75 raising to £150 if not paid within 2 weeks!
Anyone else been stung like this at the Greenock Mall?
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Wrap their threatening letters
in a big brown parcel
Smear it all with butter
And jam it up their ar5eh0le!
Auldheid,
Can I recommend to you a piece of reading. The psychopath test by Jon ronson is a very good book on the subject. It includes a chapter on treatments that went spectacularly wrong. Letting psychopaths diagnose and treat each other. The results are surprisingly similar to the situation in govan. Hail hail
Gregory Ioannidis @LawTop20
Admission in the SPL can only take place if there is a vacant spot but I would not discount certain SFL clubs from applying too.
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No vote could take place in the SPL as RFC is still occupying a spot in the SPL and the process of liquidation has not been completed.
Rangers FC PLC (in administration) no longer qualifies to hold a share in the SPL. That fact should be noted at the SPL Board Meeting on Monday. The club should take no further part in any SPL governance.
The Board should then call a General Meeting so that other 11 clubs can then decide how to allocate the vacant share, in accordance with the Articles of Association of the SPL.
Paul67
It is civil war in hunland, in fighting over the carcass they are destroying ‘New club’
When Green sells ibrox and the park with no name they will know what puishment is.
HH
thought this was an intriguing tweet and also the comment from his blog below.
Gregory Ioannidis @LawTop20
Have a good weekend all. Off to advise two clubs in the northern part of the UK on an important & unusual sports law matter
http://lawtop20.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/liquidation-in-football-legal-sporting.html?spref=tw
At this juncture, we need to consider one other important aspect. The admission of a NewCo into the SPL, may create compelling legal arguments for other clubs, who would have a legal interest against admission of a NewCo in the SPL. Without mentioning names, for personal reasons, it is a fact that, with the liquidation of Rangers FC, a vacant spot in the SPL would become available. Subject to the appropriate regulations of the SFA and the SPL, several legal interests may arise. The two governing bodies may decide to leave the vacant spot intact and continue into the next season with 11 teams. Such option may cause sporting disarray, but it is possible and it is viable. However, I have advised that other clubs with legal interest may wish to challenge any decision to accept a NewCo in the SPL. Given that such NewCo has not won the sporting right to participate in the SPL, in terms of equity and natural justice, those affected from such decision, may argue that, in the absence of a sporting right won on the pitch by the NewCo, they have an equal right to file for participation in the SPL too. Whether this could happen via a new status or their current status, it is a different matter. But the option is there and could be exercised.
Till later HAIL HAIL
@Thecelt45 and @I am NL in NZ Tauranga – Happy days gents, was a blast!
@Saint Stivs – Cheers my good man, had a great night.
@GourockEmeraldBhoy – Did you get it sorted?
@Paul67 “As a punishment, it is the equivalent of banning Ally McCoist from this year’s 100m Olympic competition. Pointless.” Hilarious.
In case you didn’t see my pictures from last night here we go again.
Lanterns over Kentucky:
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HH all.
Last post from RTC blog
James Forrest
It is important to understand that BOTH companies are still in existence. The INTENTION is to liquidate oldco. It has NOT actually been processed.
It won’t be processed until AFTER the SPL consider an application for a share from Sevco. This approach ALLOWS the TRANSFER of the share and the 8:4 vote.
If the administrators/liquidators process the paperwork before the vote then it is NOT A TRANSFER.
This is why D+D need to have hard cash in the oldco at this time. It allows them not to IMMEDIATELY file for liquidation. Oldco will liquidate, but not before Green has had his day in the SPL bearpit.
HH
Wee green man same thing happened to me recently though not at Greenock ,I am self employed so I started writing back to them with an invoice to them for my time in writing to them and an admin charge of £40 per letter..strangely enough they stopped writing to me…
( still no paid my invoices though!! …grrrr!!) hh
Auld heid
That definition of psychopath could have been a definition written for the now dead Rangers FC and her fans.
Brilliant post.
SwanseaBhoy