The Barton issue: it seems bizarre to suspend a player for four weeks after an incident, more so to extend that by a further week immediately before a clear-the-air meeting, but it’s not.
This has got nothing to do with the player. Whatever he did with a team-mate in the aftermath of our 5-1 win a month ago has nothing to do with his continuing suspension. Nor is the player’s subsequent charge for gambling on football.
I’m pretty sure it’s not even about money, or the player’s lack of ability. This is about the manager and his board. Who authorised his signing in the summer and on what basis was he employed? Warburton has played his hand by passing the issue up to his board. The board can try to impose the player on the manager, again, or they can find the money to make the problem go away.
Or maybe the manager will go instead.
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COOLMORE MAFIA on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 7:00 AM
Guardian says Trump was wandering behind Clinton like a rapist during the debate
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Which tells you all you need to know about the Guardian.
Clutching at straws.
” Behind ” depends on the camera angle.
How deceptive can the Guardian be ?
Rapist?
The two Bills.
Clinton and Cosby.
JOBO BALDIE on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 6:53 AM
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Post of the thread – as usual.
Hail Hail tae ye fella.
When it comes to, LEGENDARY figures, not just in Celtic stuff but, in real life, you will always occupy the higher echelons….imho.
YNWA….in the Jubilant-Jobo-Hunskelping-Choir.
I see CQN was treated to a running commentary on the Presidential Debate in the wee sma oors.
Pity it was drlivered by such a biased and disingenuous commentator, rendering the entire exercise utterly worthless.
Sand….
At no time did I say Trump voters were moronic, I said HE was.
But just because they vote does not mean they shouldn’t be or can’t be ridiculed.
HH
Beyond my ken, that anyone could vote for Trump. Imo, he’s worse than Farage and he is in a class of his own.
Hilary is the worse option. Shes already a war criminal who has pledged to up the anti in Syria and go after Iran (for some unknown reason) not to mention having world war 3 with Russia. (end of the planert)
Trump is an ignorant load mouth bully but he talks more sense on US foreign policies. The much lesser evil.
HUNDERBIRDS ARE GONE on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 2:27 AM
“At last we are on the downhill stage of International Week.
I think International Football has had its day.”
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Darn right,mate. The international breaks are far too frequent.
They stop a club building momentum in their league.
And they annoy the hell out of the supporters.
Ditch the breaks,finish the season earlier and start later. Have two sessions for internationals,beginning and end of the season.
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 8:14 AM
Beyond my ken, that anyone could vote for Trump. Imo, he’s worse than Farage and he is in a class of his own.
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Farage.
Whose most basic issue was supported by the British people.
Brexit.
THETIMREAPER on 9TH OCTOBER 2016 8:33 PM
Shane Duffy, blimey. Talk about dodging a bullet, more like a cannon. Horrible defender.
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Aye,…the voices of football / FIFA 17 managers on here were giving it tight to me when, during the Euros in the summer and, speculation was rife that Celtic were after Shane, I pointed out that he looked like a – Clumsy Mulgrew!
Makes ye think.
HH
away tae watch the Jinky thingy.
…oot-next-time….
Let’s take the bias out of Guardian says Clinton won, Telegraph says trump won. We all have tribal notions which distort our perception of what is or has occurred.
The post-debate polls all show that Clinton won the debate with US voters- it is only the margin of the gap that is in dispute. That does not mean that she “won” the debate- frankly- I did not listen to it yet so I could not allocate stylistic points to that exercise. But, winning the debate in substantive terms, means carrying the voters with you to the voting booth.
That was not achieved.
Mind you, it is amazing that the gap is so small given the toxic nature of his recent taped confessions.
Trump’s best bet is still that the e-mail scandal has more traction in the last week but, good luck with that! His tape is easy to understand in terms of exposing his shallow character. The e-mails scandal is just a wee bit too complex to have the impact it deserves.
BTW- none of the above is an endorsement of Hilary- I believe both Clintons should be in jail but so should Trump, for different matters.
US citizens have a horrible choice in this election. At a;ll times of global economic downturn, the politics of the scapegoater has traction. We are not quite in the 1929-39 period but we are in the midst of a long deep slump. It is hard to do something about well protected (by armies and propaganda) bankers and economic manipulators. But it is dead easy to take it out on illegal immigrants, be they Mexican or Polish, and who cares too much if they are legal or illegal.
Only an economic upturn will sort out this gutter politics. And for that we are dependent on the SE Asian economy run by a regime which has not been fully persuaded of the merits of democracy.
We will all need good luck.
Aff intae to work to shore up my pension
MACJAY
Correct. Farage’s headline policy was supported by the majority in the referendum.
The extent of the lies used to garner that support only became clear to them afterwards.
Of course,most of us know that politicians are inveterate liars,”every time their lips move”,etc,but Farage and now Trump are abusing even that.
Bring back The Monster Raving Loony Party. At least Sutch told you what you were if you voted for him.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:01 AM
Not much I disagree with there.
Is this a first ?
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:02 AM
With respect , Bobby.
Lies .
A big word.
An intention to deceive.
Maybe you can specify .
And do you feel that the British people are so gullible as to be deceived by what you call ” lies “.
If so , I have a higher opinion of them.
I think they knew precisely what they were voting for and probably did so in spite of Farage , not because of him.
US presidential contest is a kind of bad joke but the outcome will not be funny as it will impact on our lives over here because UK will blindly follow and support whatever crazy foriegn policy the US of A comes up with.
Macjay,
Farage wasn’t supported in Scotland. He and his ilk pander to the little Englanders. Scotland was promised that if we voted to stay in the UK that we would be assured of our continuing place in the EU. Then Cameron pandered to the far right of his party and we find that that assured place no longer exists. The worse of all worlds.
BAMBOO on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:13 AM
As probably will Australia.
The odds are high.
Numerous Scottish players were quoted before the Lithuania game as saying they were targeting 4 points out of the 6. Shocking. The target had to be 6. Now Andie Robertson is quoted as saying he doesn’t know whether Tuesday’s game is a must win. Shocking. Of course its a must win. Then we had Gordon Strachan saying the game on Saturday was exciting and one of our better performances. Wow. If that’s their mindset we have zero chance of qualifying, way too lethargic in attitude.
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:14 AM
Cameron the ” supposed ” panderer lost.
Was his support for Bremaining a deceit ?
Was he ” taking one for the team ” ?
The loss cost him his job.
Little Englanders ? The North of England Labour heartland ?
Farage tapped into a sense of dissatisfaction about Europe over a good number of years
Merkel delivered the result he wanted.
MACJAY
Of course the Brexit campaign lied. It was a one-off vote,lying was their best chance,with no repercussions for them.
Nothing I can write here will ever convince you. Why don’t you read it for yourself?
Plenty of articles on the subject,and not all-far from it,in fact-by “left-leaning” publications.
Or you could simply find a list of their promises,wait a few years,and compare reality with the promised land of milk and honey.
CM- Trump was always looking to get in camera shot ,when HC was talking, TV director done his/her best to block him out.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:27 AM
Bobby.
You made the accusation.
It`s for you to back it up.
If you wish.
Believe me , I`m not trying to score points.
I really would like to know.
However. It`s just really raking over the coals.
The deed is done.
And I for one am delighted with the result .
I think it is in the best interests of British people.
Irrespective of their location.
Ooops sorry apologies for my earlier post, thought this was a football chat website…
ROCK TREE BHOY on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:17 AM
Footy. Aye . Let`s have a bit of that.
The most puzzling decision of the night was the decision to leave Tierney on the bench.
He ran the Man. City defence ragged.
Cannae fathom it.
ROCK TREE BHOY on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:39 AM
I posted before reading this comment.
Macjay,
I would include the northern England Labour heartlands in that description. Places like Oldham are fertile UKIP territory.
MACJAY, BMCUWP, PARKHEADCUMSALFORD
Interesting viewpoints; however, IMHO, all 3 of you generalise far too much.
1: There is an inherent assumption that people voted for Brexit because of immigration and xenophobia. Not so; many people I spoke to voted for Brexit for reasons of economy, self-determination and unwillingness to support the cabal that is the EU. It was not ever, and is still not a single “get Johnny Foreigner out” issue. To say it is insults the intelligence of an awful lot of people.
2: There was NEVER a scenario where Britain could leave and a future independent Scotland could remain or rejoin on existing terms. This was a lie pedalled by the SNP at the time and is sill (though to a much lesser extent) being pedalled now.
3: The myth that all of Scotland voted to remain is just that, a myth. 38% of Scots voted to remain; a significant majority.
4: It was never a left/right campaign in favour of remain/leave. Many leading left-wingers advocated leaving for, IMHO, very sound economic and political reasons.
The juxtaposition of the SNP always intrigued and amused me: vote to leave the Union because you want self-determination and political/economic control; but remain in the EU where your political/economic control is vastly diluted and will continue to dilute ad infinitum until we have a massive European State with minimal federated control to the regions. Political schizophrenia IMHO.
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ROCK TREE BHOY on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:39 AM
I just didn`t understand how traditional Labour voters could be described as ” Little Englanders. ”
`Fraid I trust the voters. Even when I may disagree with their choice.
Sorry.
The above 9.55 for PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:47 AM
VFR800A8 on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:55 AM
Thanks for that.
Interesting stuff.
Don`t quite “get” point 3 , however.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 10th October 2016 10:02 am
VFR800A8 on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 9:55 AM
Thanks for that.
Interesting stuff.
Don`t quite “get” point 3 , however.
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The usual line trotted out is that seemingly all of Scotland voted to remain in the EU and should be awarded a special status.
In fact, because of the lowish turnout, only 41.66% of Scots voted to remain in the EU; 59% DIDN’T vote to remain. It’s the same as the 45% myth for independence. The % of eligible voters who went for independence was only 37.81% based upon turnout. So over 62% didn’t vote for independence.
I remain unsurprised at how politicians will lie about statistics to make a point!
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VFR800A8 Economy really . Is that why I can buy heaps more pounds with my NZ dollars. The U.K. Are tricking everyone else into devaluing the pound so that exports will be so cheap and foreign holidays so expensive that Britain will become great again. Good luck with that. I heard it was about being able to say merry Christmas without offending anyone. In my opinion, speaking as an immigrant, the fact that immigrants have not created a positive economic impact on individual Brits and the feeling of loss of identity helped people decide to be north Brits and then wee Brits. Hail hail. Can’t wait till the Motherwell game, this international stuff is pish.
VFR800A and Macjay,
Imo, the whole referendum had to do with how the English and in particular the working class see themselves in the world. They are used to seeing themselves as top of the pile in the UK, They don’t see themselves as that in the EU.
Again, imo, many of the Left in Britain have always been anti-Eu. That is not new.
I have never voted SNP and probably never will, unlike much the Scottish working class these days. Imo, they are not a left wing party.
VFR800A8 on 10TH OCTOBER 2016 10:15 AM
That argument never holds water. I could just as state that only 46.5% actually voted to keep that union and that alone is an argument that a second referendum should be held.
All we can do is extrapolate that non-voters would have followed the voting percentages, and the result would have been the same.
Coming back to your previous post and in particular point 1. I love the notion some had (not stating your in this camp), that exiting will allow our companies to escape ‘the red tape of Brussels’. Completely oblivious to the fact the any company that wants to continue to sell into the EU (regardless of trade deals etc) is going that have to make or sell services that comply with said ‘red tape’.
Macjay:
” I think they knew precisely what they were voting for “.
I don`t think there has ever been a time when the general public knew precisely what they were voting for.
VFR:
” To say it is insults the intelligence of an awful lot of people.”
For a lot of awful people, there is not much intelligence to be insulted.
JJ
BREXIT ?.
Brexit hasn’t happened yet – when it does those who voted for it will learn what it means and much more importantly what it doesn’t mean.. The sense of betrayal , disappointment and having been stabbed in the back will be enormous .Learning that you can’t have what you thought you were voting for will be a real bummer .. No free lunch , no having your cake and eating it too. The perception of having been led up the garden path might prove hard to contain .Who/ what will the disaffected vote for next ?.
Much mmmm in Europa land this AM re the news that a country which voted to take control of its borders back has begun negotiations re the perceived necessity for the British border to begin at Dublin Airport and the Irish ports.. Ho Hum !
VFR800A,
I may disagree with your ultimate position on this; your logic does raise an interesting point.
If you want to claim that only 41.66% voted to leave the EU in Scotland then it can also be argued that only 37.44% of the total UK electorate actually voted to leave the EU.
This figure obviously includes the minority who were “duped” by the lies and some who would have voted against the government as a protest regardless of the issue at stake.
Not quite the “resounding will of the British people” which the politicians and media keep regurgitating.