Last week’s advert in the Tribune de Geneve was in English, despite the predominant local language being French. The primary target audience were Uefa representatives and functionaries, who are not drawn from the local Nyon catchment area, and will most likely speak English, with secondary target audiences in the UK. I hear both targets were reached.
There was a short-lived chat about which language to run with in Switzerland, but consensus was quickly reached that English was appropriate and sufficient. No translation was ever made.
Very much related to this subject…….
There was an incident when I was at school (many years ago). Two boys had exactly the same maths homework. This would have been fine had the work been correct, but the made exactly the same mistakes, so the teacher had sufficient proof to establish that he didn’t have two independently produced pieces of work.
The class lesson that day was, if you’re going to coordinate a response, you better get your facts right, or you’ll get caught.
Shortly after the Tribune de Geneve advert ran it was brought to my attention that some regularly-hostile-to-Celtic online loons were running with a line that an English advert had been sent to Switzerland and a French advert had been sent to an English newspaper by mistake.
This was fanciful, but not worthy of attention, because as you now know, there was never a French translation of the advert.
You can imagine my utter astonishment, therefore, that The Guardian claimed they didn’t run the advert because it was submitted to them in French, despite, as surely the world now knows, no French language version of the advert ever existing!
“If you’re going to coordinate a response, get your facts right.” It doesn’t look good, Guardian. It doesn’t look good at all. You’ve been caught in PR vice.
You know how PR works in Scottish football. Celtic and most clubs play with a straight bat: “This is the news relating to our games and events”, but there are clubs, personalities and organisations which are only tenable because of expensive and persuasive PR.
You remember the Poppy banner issue, which became news a full two days after a game, by which time PR could persuade journalists to run with a story which until then had no news value. You are only too familiar with some of the vacuous characters ushered into the game by newspapers demanding Lloyds Bank approve a takeover, while PR spun incredible lies about finance and probity.
The next time Celtic, or their manager, is vulnerable on a subject, look out for this Malign Influence. It battered Ronny Deila when he lost games, and recently went for Peter Lawwell.
My thanks to The Guardian advertising people, who confirmed to us this morning that the advert they received was in English. That’s the other thing about coordinating a Malign Influence, you need to get buy-in from a lot of people!
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GEAROID
Was meant to be with him but cpag conference to attend hence the cost of a flight from Glasgow to Belfast at £199 single
ST for mini was the answer
He has replica of big cup with him too
GEAROID1998 ,9:11
It’s a leap but it still is not where it should be.
It’s simply not credible, especially by that late stage of the long game, that any action carried out by British agents that would or could result in a loss of life was a surprise to anyone in the British Military/Political apparatus. They knew fine well in advance what was going to happen – after all weren’t they running it from top to bottom.
All they cared about was the political gain they could take from it.
The stage we are at now is simply one on from the ‘one bad apple’ nonsense of the 70s and 80s, were the bureaucratic excuse of system accountability moves the blame from the individual to the collective organisation.
It’s nonsense.
The system didn’t malfunction for a second, it worked perfectly.
This is where we have to get to.
‘Collusion’ was RUC strategy, not RUC failing: #Loughinisland
http://sluggerotoole.com/2016/06/09/collusion-was-ruc-strategy-not-ruc-failing-loughinisland/
Starry plough. I am judged by different standards than others. I have apologised for errors.misjidgements and deftness on quite a few occasions on this site. Without fear of favour.
But as time has gone on that standard amongst posters has dimished and ,eat.
Cqn is a parade of what is claims to be and started.
The disease that was and is the Huns has spread to this site.
THELURKINTIM@9.32
Briliant. Pmsl wi that reply, even mrsweefra guffawed at it. Lol. He’s a wee bit better tonight, gave a couple of gambols up the field earlier. It was his first clip and never been handled like that, must have been a shock to his system. He really is a skinny wee runt now. :-))) Thanks again buddy, hope to meet you this coming season. HH
Just had a quick read back on the first few pages.
Are we now saying that there was NEVER a French version of the ad?
Because-and I’m happy to be corrected-I’m pretty sure I recall one being mentioned. Prepared as an alternative to the English version for Tribune de Geneve.
If so,I hope it wasn’t sent in error to The Guardian because we will have turned a minor oversight into an almighty clusterf… by our actions since.
NEGANON2
You’re not judged by any different standards that I can see and I’ve read every post you’ve ever made. Plus you have a crew of people who support you any time anyone takes you to task.
In my opinion you display an arrogance and a disdain for Celtic supporters which sets you aside from the blog.
Tell us a wee bit more about the floods of people voting with their feet that you were telling us abut a few weeks ago and how the revolution of the Celtic Support was coming.
You a great one for telling everyone else what they should do how about you tell us about the many points you had that didn’t come to pass e.g the floods of supporters turning their backs on Celtic and getting ready to sack the board.
I’m not saying this out of any sense of triumphalism as far as I am concerned we’ve appointed a manager no more no less and there’s still a long way to go for Celtic to be right in my eyes but you got this spectacularly wrong and not a word but Hey Ho let’s attack our host eh…
I have overstepped the mark on more than a few occasions on Cqn and indeed I have called out neganon but we move on after having a spat
That is what a blog is all about
I have met lots of bhoys n ghirls from Cqn, neganon not being one of them
Heck, feck or whatever it’s our heartfelt belief whether you or I agree
Open to all bhoys
At least I know neganon is a tim as is Kevj
Some are here to cause discord
Others are hurting tims for our/their own reasons
jeez, itv coverage of football is sooooo shoite, the 3rd peep of the refs whistle had hardly went and we had adverts already
then again they ruin every sporting event they show
we can moan all we want about sky and bbc, but they do sport so much better
haaaaaaarrrrrrruuuuuummmmppphhhCSC
Winning Captains,
Thanks for your reply, that makes sense. Sorry for asking but the dates had been bugging me.
Maybe Celtic are right to say nothing at the moment?
What could it say?
‘Celtic note that a submission has been made to UEFA. We await the conclusion of the governing bodies investigation before commenting further…?’
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t?
Maybe just sit back and let them all run about and panic?
Who knows
Weefra
Great to see your tup taking over the place
NEGANON
Thanks for your reply the other night,bud. Very honest.
Some day,I hope you are both there,proud and resplendent in your hoops.
Or a dashing little pink number,in her case.
Gearoid at 9.11
O.g.Rafferty at 9.54
absolutely spot on .
no need to add to that.
..
Corkcelt
F**k the begrudgers is one of my favourite tenets of life.
Neg
If you would stop throwing the nazi slurs around like confetti then you might discover that other posters may have some empathy in your frustrations
OG
Agree wholeheartedly that collusion was systematic and part of the “states” DNA but the point that I was making was that cracks are now starting to appear. What happens with regard to Stakeknife and Mount Vernon UVF investigations will tell a tale. On the other side of that particular coin is the British Govt through their pro consol preventing the Coroners Courts from getting to the truth through the issuing of Public Immunity certificates. Still a very, very long way to go and because it goes right to the very top the truth isn’t going to emerge anytime soon.
In relation to your bad apple comment made exactly the same observation on Ruth Fudley Dudleys comments the other day. What a walloper.
HH
HH
That Romanian defender Grigore could do a job for us. Solid, reads the game, clears his lines.
29 not old for a defender. Playing in Qatar. Wonder if he’s finding it too hot out there:-)
Butsybhoy: Can you contact me please if you still have my mobile number? If not, maybe someone who knows us both will pass on details?
HH
Not been on for a long time but just had to say well done. The way CQN has handle the situation of the past few days has been fantastic, gritted teeth fist clenching fantastic that is!.
can’t wait for the new season.
HailHail
I remember a time when the following things were the norm in comments and folk repected the posters right to express them freely.
They are or were
In my honest opinion
Its what i feel
Its what i believe to be true
Its my point of view
My gut feeling
My considered judgement
Its my understanding
All of the above will form part of most comments on here.
All absolutely acceptable.
Lets get back to respecting fellow supporters rights to express them all on whatever topic without being subject attack and in some cases abuse.
Live and let live
Debate is healthy and leads invariably to better understanding.
Just saying
HH
Mike
NEGANON2 on 10TH JUNE 2016 9:54 PM
All that’s happening now is people are holding you to the same standards that you judge paul67 against
It’s time you actually did something
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL on 10TH JUNE 2016 10:08 PM
That Romanian defender Grigore could do a job for us. Solid, reads the game, clears his lines.
29 not old for a defender. Playing in Qatar. Wonder if he’s finding it too hot out there:-)
Burghbhoy Junior just told me the boy gets £10m a season playing in Quatar!!
Think he might just gub our budget
HH
Tom
Did you ever get in touch with Cunnie?
GEAROID1998 @ 9.11
Scary stuff indeed
Weefra,
Gambolling…..is a mugs game….you need to put your foot down…..;-))
FTSFA
H.H. Fhella ;-))
C40ME
Surely Paul can stand up for and speak for himself ?
BT
Yes indeed. :-)) Seen yer dad on twitter earlier, a cracking fotie wi the big cup. Tried to c&p it but coudnae get it to work. Hope you, K and M are all well and soooooo looking forward to seeing you all this coming season. HH and KTF kiddo. :-))))
NEGANON2 on 10TH JUNE 2016 9:54 PM
Who knows what the outcome of resolution 12 will be.
I hope that it is a positive outcome, not prove the doubters wrong but for those involved it will be a just reward for all their sterling efforts. And if it is a positive outcome maybe you could change you name to POSANON…:)
And maybe get that Season Ticket…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
GEAROID1998
They play the game in three stages.
At the time they distract and misinform, which, like half truths, are the most difficult things to disprove. They ride it out with bluster.
Over the course of time they will eventually concede fault when those on the receiving end organise and have a collective voice loud enough to be heard (it’s not just Ireland, Hillsborough is a fine example).
The political sting has long since gone, they can then deal with the long-congealed crust in a way that fails to address the main point.
They will then give us the let’s move on, can’t happen again line.
History will say otherwise, we all know that.
Every day now I grow more distant fromceltic and sadly many of what I thought Celtic supporter are.
Corkcelt. Naw it wasn’t aimed at me. Nonsense you are simply attacking those who may disagree with you.
Clinko. Naziism and facism are our new politics. Open your eyes. 16 roads and macjay1 proclaiming Donald trump? Living wage portrayed as Marxism. This may be the new world. It doesn’t mean I need to lose it.
Starry plough. No I am judged differently because cqn has become a parody of what it aimed to be. You espouse how wrong I was about supporters abandoning Celtic (claiming no sense of triumphalism). You may be right but Celtic supporters were ready to rebel. We signed a good manager and that changed. Time will tell whether that was a good decision by supporters.
But I am disgusted at the so called judgements. I think cel this supporters have made a massive mistake. But time will tell.
THELURKINTIM
I have come to the measured conclusion, yer a nutter. Lol. Cheers buddy. HH
I love you all.Even the posters I don’t agree with.
Time for a tune.
https://youtu.be/wodBbP1aQmM
Weefra
I don’t follow him and to my eternal shame I have still to read his book
I’ll try and send it too you,
BMCUW
Why you not at work? :-))) Only kidding :-))) Hope all went well earlier. As agreed the mo. HH
Been too busy to keep tabs on the Res12tance T-shirts today so going to do it now. Huge Res 12 publicity nationally without spending a penny!
We ordered 100 more t-shirts the other day and they all arrive Tuesday.
I can exclusively reveal that if you don’t get one you are going to be HUGELY disappointed.
Smile bhoys, smile.
Neganon 2 is a good Celtic man who has my respect and friendship. Like Blantyre Tim said we can all have our ‘moments’ on here. There is some truth in what Neganon 2 says and without guys like him in our support we would be in danger of being led up the garden path like the fallen Govanites of 2012.
It’s Friday evening, France won, so those having a wee drink raise it now. Vive la Res12tance! Those bhoys have done good!
Last remaining Res12tance t shirts at http://www.cqnbookstore.com
Weefra
Just noticed that is coorslad son from cqn in that pic
Re the Guardians excuse as to the ad being in French
I can confirm that there was indeed a post about the ad being sent to the swiss paper in french by mistake
on a sevco site .I have searched back on the site and it seems it has been removed
could this be where the Guardian got the idea from
Something stinks IMO then again maybe I should stay off sevco sites
Hail Hail to all the u bhoys in GREEN
Celtic40me you have baited me for a while. You are a crass individual. I have tackled every subject on this site. You have said and comtributed nothing. Just a childlike defence of conformism.
BT
Shame on you indeed, lol. Can’t wait. You have nothing to apologise about re your family, remember, I know most of you. Take care.. HH
Og
Without wishing to denigrate what happened here or at Hillsborough exactly the same strategy is being employed with regard to the demise of the deadybears.
HH Tims everywhere
A Kilmarnock season book is more popular than Morning Star. I have never met a working class person who has read it. It’s more of a middle class leftie read.