I’ve heard some utter tosh from politicians over the years but never anything so blatantly untrue as the comments from our First Minister, Alex Salmond, reported today. This clown is telling people Rangers need to be saved for the sake of Celtic. He said:
“The most diehard Celtic supporter understands that Celtic can’t prosper unless Rangers are there. The rest of the clubs understand that as well. Therefore you have to have cognisance of these things when you’re pursuing public policy.
Keep our name out of it you incoherent fool.
If our prosperity depends on the survival of Rangers it’s time our values and priorities changed. You of all people should know this after your lecturing last year. Celtic have not been well served by their association with Rangers, nor vice versa. As a combined entity, the ‘Old Firm’ have not been good for Scotland.
I’m keen to hear what his “public policy” on the matter is. Salmond goes on to say:
“We’ve certainly been arguing to HMRC on one hand, and indeed to Rangers, to for goodness sake get a settlement, get a settlement and a structure over time whereby Rangers can continue because Rangers must continue for the future of Scottish football and for the fabric of the country.”
How dare you argue with HMRC? Even Rangers admit the potential underpayment could be £75m. How many nurses, teachers and policemen would that employ, Mr Salmond? This is the true cost of his position.
This sorry business has nothing to do with Celtic, I hope our club make this clear to provocative politicians. All you die-hard Celtic supporters out there better let this man know he has no right to speak for you.
“Fabric of the country”. He got that bit right, alas.
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Ramie says:
16 February, 2012 at 14:52
Mr Z
My deepest sympathies
Whilst we are revelling in our justice hours
…you are being served up Thirds from the transfers table”
Ramie
I think you may have mispelt that, it should of course be
you are being served up Turds from the transfers table”
Remember this on air argument great stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z94TIJIqSOM&feature=related
Hail Hail
Finn
ernie lynch says:
16 February, 2012 at 14:24
Your sins are forgiven. Go forth and in peace.
Dear Alex,
Stop lying. We don’t need them. And you don’t speak for us.
Love,
Celtic.
Perfect. Just perfect! Well done to all at our club for making our position so clear.
Celt for Life. I thought they were at home but im wrong so the only thing it does is help take there mind of there financial woes.H.H.
Zbyszek
I feel your pain.HH.
sky sports – find out why celtic are unhappy with the scottish first minister ?
philvis – yeah , they’ve actually increased the national debt, haven’t they – me fall for tory spin
Magical statement!!!
I think there will be plenty more in the weeks ahead.
JCGE
A Club statement to make you proud IMO.
Hear Hear Celtic
My favourite bit ;
“….. we are extremely well qualified to make our own position clear and have no wish to see that being misrepresented for political reasons “. (TH)
KJamBhoy says:
16 February, 2012 at 14:55
SSN are reporting on it after the ads.
As someone with a sneaking sympathy for independence I can’t help thinking that Salmond is shooting himself in both feet.
someone earlier posted that even if he lost 60,000 Tim votes, he would more than make them up elsewhere.
As I understand it, PR might distort the arithmetic somewhat.
Lhads, I wouldn’t be concerning yourselves over the Alec Salmond thing. He has had his say. It will come to nought. The question was asked and he answered. If journos keep asking him the question I think they will get short shrift. It’s not the kind of thing political journos can ask more than once and it isn’t an issue which the SNP or anyone else will be too keen to talk about once they have had their initial say.
Relax.
They are getting liquidated. Soon.
lochgoilhead bhoy says:
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I have searched my Mac and found just such a thing and I kate your paint.
Excellent statement from Celtic ( doing just fine thank you very much) FC. Salmond et al, put that in your pipe and smoke it. ” we are extremely well qualified..” i love it, get in there. Translation; foxtrot oscar.
Anyone spoke to or found a supporter of any UK club who has sympathy for the Tax Dodgers?
LB
sky sports news – cw – players will be paid this month, club out of administration next month
At this juncture I’d just like to say my NI contributions and PAYE taxes are paid to date, I’m up to date with my council tax and I have (apart from the mortgage) no debts. I need some lessons in not bothering then getting the First minister to say it’s okay. Idiot.
skyisalandfill says:
16 February, 2012 at 14:56
Funny it is not on the BBC site yet?
I also think Salmond’s statement could potentially have an adverse effect on the share price of a company not involved in any of the tax shenanigans.
celt55 says:
16 February, 2012 at 14:59
Good to hear thanks
I am at my work here in barcelona, if anyone can post what is reported I would appreciate it.
The translation was only intended for any full time ‘journalists” lurking, I hope it helps.
jackie mac – philvis – yeah , they’ve actually increased the national debt, haven’t they – me fall for tory spin
Yes, Jackie, they have actually increased the national debt since they went into Government in 2010. The national debt looks likely to continue to rise for the next few years at least. It will all have to be paid back unless Craig Whyte becomes Prime Minister.
Britain’s public expenditure is akin to the behaviour of a drunken parrot perched in front of the home shopping channel with a talonful of credit cards. (thumbsup)
Wow. Great statement.
Serious, serious realignment of Board/Chief Exec and supporters this week. Delighted with that.
A wee side note,multi-millionaire Willie McKay was at Poundland today to ensure the deal for millionaire Daniel Cousin went through @£7,500 per week.Meanwhile other staff who are next to minimum wage,will be worried sick wondering where their next wage is coming from,or getting bagged altogether.McKay could easily have pulled the deal.Totally selfish and immoral.
I got a response from my email to Shona Robinson
Dear Mr xxxxxxx
Thank you for your email.
Football is our national game and the Scottish Government is a committed supporter of Scottish football and all of our football clubs in recognition of the important positive role they play in communities throughout Scotland.
I fully recognise that it is vital that both individuals and organisations pay their taxes in a timely manner as taxation is essential to the economic and social development of Scotland. In any statements made on Rangers, the Scottish Government has reiterated the importance of an agreement between the club and HMRC being reached which ensures that Rangers meet their obligations, including their tax liabilities and debts as well as securing as many of the jobs as possible.
As you will know, the club have now entered administration and it is far too early to predict the possible outcome of this but it is less likely that if the club is wound up that tax liabilities will be met. The task for the administrators now is to take forward the process of assessing the business and securing an outcome in the best interests of all of the creditors.
In a telephone conversation yesterday with the administrator, I reiterated our priorities as stated above. A key concern for us is the future of the over 250 people employed by the club and the potential economic impact of administration. The Government stands ready to offer assistance to anyone affected by job losses at the company and we will stay in contact with the administrator throughout the process to ensure we are informed of any developments. The Scottish Government has offered this type of assistance to a number of companies in the past, including other Scottish football clubs which had gone into administration, and will continue to do so with any company with employees facing redundancy.
While we are able to offer support as laid out above, I want to be clear that no public money would be offered to bail out any football club and this remains the case with Rangers.
Finally, the potential impact on Scottish football of losing Rangers was captured very well in the comments earlier this week of Inverness Manager Terry Butcher, when he expressed concern that such a loss would have a very negative impact on already difficult broadcasting and sponsorship deals. I hope you will agree that this is something we would wish, if at all possible, to avoid.
Yours sincerely
SHONA ROBISON
MINISTER FOR COMMONWEALTH GAMES AND SPORT
Craig Whyte telling SSN that the players will be paid this month and he believes they’ll be out of administration by pay-day next month.
lochgoilhead bhoy says:
16 February, 2012 at 15:05
I got a response from my email to Shona Robinson
” I want to be clear that no public money would be offered to bail out any football club and this remains the case with Rangers.”
My Question – does this include Tax Write-offs?
celtic40me says:
16 February, 2012 at 15:07
I am sure orcs all over the world will be breathing a huge sigh of relief now that Craigybhoy has spoken..
Well that’s that then!!
SP
Is Craig Whyte for real? How is he managing that?
LB
philvis – absolute classic – can you imagine bug eyes meeting obama or staring down merkel
: )
I thought Kraig Wite wasn’t supposed to be telling anyone anything about the club?
If they come out of admin do they get points back? Just wondering.
LiviBhoy says:
16 February, 2012 at 15:09
Is Craig Whyte for real? How is he managing that?
LB
By moving them into Liquidation.
so what was the point (or 10) of administration ?
Good to see Frank Abingale back at the helm.
Dobbo says:
16 February, 2012 at 15:07
exactly. that is what we need to be wary of.
Time for another email to Alex Salmond, this time as a concerned shareholder who resents him broadcasting negative comments on my company.
Craig Whyte says they will be out of administration by pay day in March.
Strange thing to say. If the Tribunal comes along will they then re-enter administration?
10 points are deducted for EVERY new insolvency event.
Rangers in administration – 10 questions
By Stevie Miller
BBC Scotland
As Scotland’s current champions enter administration, several questions have arisen – with many left baffled by the complex financial proceedings.
Here, we’ll try and answer some of those questions, and you can let us know if you have any others by sending your suggestions to sportsound@bbc.co .uk and putting “Rangers questions” in the message field.
1) What is the difference between a secured and an unsecured creditor?
A secured creditor has a first claim on the assets. This is usually the device used by a bank to secure itself against default, as in any home loan, and Craig Whyte took over this secured debt from Bank of Scotland. The unsecured creditors have no claim on specific assets. They have to wait until the secured debt is handled, and then seek a share of what remains.
2) What happens to the money owed by Rangers to other clubs?
Some other SPL clubs are owed money by Rangers relating to either gate money or transfer fees. The creditor clubs will be contacted by the administrators who then try to reach agreement over the unpaid sums. If the two sides can’t reach agreement over payment, then the clubs could raise a complaint with the Scottish Football Association.
3) Can Craig Whyte still make decisions at Rangers?
He should not be able to. The administrator is in control. He may, however, be able to influence the administrator, as he is the secured creditor, and so the administrator is bound to be speaking to him. He’s also the majority shareholder, though, as such, he takes a lower priority than creditors.
4) Are injured players more at risk of being let go than fit ones?
While there is no principle that injured players would be at the forefront of players to be released, the administrators will look on players who are able to play as assets and a lengthy injury won’t help a player’s case.
5) What happens to on-loan players?
The administrators will be looking to cut costs, and a quick way of doing so would be to terminate the loan agreements of players on loan at Rangers from other clubs – so we can expect Kyle Bartley to return to Arsenal.
The position of Rangers players on loan at other clubs – such as Kyle Hutton at Dunfermline or John Fleck at Blackpool is less clear. If the wages are being paid by the loan club then the administrators may well allow the players to remain on loan. However, if Rangers are paying some, or all, of the player’s salary, then the administrators could either continue with the loan, on the premise that they are, at least, offsetting some of that player’s salary, or more drastically, end the loan and release the player.
6) Would a ‘new’ Rangers have to change their badge?
The only rule on this point as far as the SFA are concerned is that any club seeking to join the association cannot use the badge of an existing member.
A ‘new’ Rangers would need to apply for the vacant membership of both the Scottish FA and the SPL. Use of the badge would depend on who owns the rights and would be something for the new club to reach agreement on.
7) Are Rangers at risk of missing out on European football next season?
Clubs wishing to compete in Europe have to apply for a licence showing they have fulfilled certain criteria. Being in administration does not prevent a club from applying for the licence, but a club in administration would face difficulties in being granted the licence.
For example, one criteria that clubs must meet is to demonstrate by 31 March that they have no overdue payables to employees or tax authorities.
If a club goes into liquidation and a ‘new’ club emerges, the ‘new’ club would not be able to play in Europe for three years as all clubs must be a member of their national association for at least three years to gain the relevant club licence.
8) Do Rangers have to pay football bills first?
This has been a source of legal dispute, and the most recent ruling suggests football bills may take precedence over other costs. One of the football bills is player pay, and employees of a company in administration should, anyway, be the first to be paid – so long as they remain employed, of course.
9) Would a ‘new’ Rangers be able to claim all the trophies won by the ‘old’ Rangers?
Yes. No. Possibly. Actually, this would be uncharted territory for Scottish football, and it’s unclear whether fans of a ‘new’ Rangers would be able to officially claim the bragging rights that go with the ‘old’ club’s successes.
In terms of the physical trophies which currently sit in the Ibrox trophy room, these would be classed as assets of the old club, and would therefore become the responsibility of the company which handled the liquidation process.
10) Why have Rangers been fined 10 points for entering administration, when Dundee were fined 25pts and Livingston were relegated to the Third Division?
Football penalties are decided by the relevant governing body, in the case of Rangers, the Scottish Premier League. The SPL rules state that a club entering administration are subject to a ten-point penalty on the appointment of an administrator. Dundee and Livingston both entered administration while in the Scottish Football League, which has no set penalty for entering administration.