Celticrollercoaster luvs his luminious lime boots on
Tonight was an embarrassment for the New Manager and us.
Why do we not learn?
HH
CRC
Clashcitybhoy on
Posted this last night, and then before the game
clashcitybhoy
19:07 on 30 July, 2014
Last night I posted:
clashcitybhoy
23:17 on 29 July, 2014
Seen a few suggestions on team lines for tomorrow tonight, so here is mine
1) don’t have anyone making their debut away from home in Europe
2) don’t play players out of position
3) stick to either a 442 or 4231 that players are used to.
Let’s hope manager is right and I am wrong .
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Don’t wish to gloat in the success of my prediction, but tonight was one of the most hopelessly, incompetent and naive performances I have seen in a long long time.
In the short term it has cost us CL money, but in long term I suspect we will lose 5/6 k season tickets from this, who won’t be back for several years.
What on earth was the manager thinking with that formation?
This week manager has had two major decisions to make , first in letting Tony Watt go , and creating a media circus, the second his line up tonight.
In both, he is spectacularly wrong.
Honestly this is scary.
Thindimebhoy on
New football coach on a SPL budget loses Champions League qualifier
Shock
We are at this level because of money
TV money to be exact
And when you don’t have it you have to downsize
Ronny is not an experiment manager he is a cutting your cloth accordingly manager
Players from the artic circle anyone
Celtic FC are working in a local market albeit with global media coverage
So
Borrowing for success is not a real option in the Scottish football financial environment.
See dead club for prime eg
Thankfully our assets are our players and not the bricks and mortar
Not happy with the result of course but happy a possible early European exit wont cause my club to go bust
As big Mogga said take it on the chin
We are where we are because of where we are csc
mncelt on
There are some desperately sad and disillusioned people in here – and I am not talking as a result of the game.
We are in upheaval. We have a new management team, we have yet to play a competitive domestic game, we have lost our captain, we have not had a chance to bring in new resources, we are staying with our Edinburgh relatives, our opponents had a head start on us, we play in a football backwater with limited financial resources, we have no competition in our league, we have to sell our best players to stay alive, yet most of you expect us to be competitive in the biggest club competition in the world.
Get behind your team or just face the fact that you get no pleasure from them and go away. The Board and our management team have my full support. I love Celtic win lose or draw.
We have enough resources to get through this tie. If you don’t believe that, don’t watch next week.
I can talk a good game too, yet I probably couldn’t manage for toffee… but the only tempo I noticed tonight was the tempo with which we were conceding goals and penalties.
Over to you Ronny. It’s time to get back to basics and learn how to play as a coherent team unit, defending competently and resolutely and, above all, setting your team up to suit the players’ strengths and guard against exposing their weaknesses.
castlebhoy on
very disappointed tonight but we are where we are.We need time to shape a team for the future.No doubt players will go some because they are not up to it and some because we cant knock back the money offered combined with the fact that they cannot fulfil the ambitions they have with us.We cannot expect Suttons Hartsons and the like to be bought again somewhere in between lies our place in the game.We are still Celtic and we are still here.Just the thoughts of an occassional poster not a happy clapper
Joe Filippis Haircut on
Big Chips. It is easy after the event but that team would have been much more solid in my opinion. H.H.
lionroars67 on
I will be in Murrayfield next week, hope to meet up with some CQN Celtic men
I am not convinced Neil Lennon leaving was responsible for what happened tonight
We have a very inexperienced managerial team at this level, very lofty ideals about how Celtic will play the game, the Celtic way ? nothing wrong with wanting a very ambitious style of play one that keeps possession of the ball in ALL areas of the pitch, play a passing game anywhere on the pitch, however it takes hours and hours of team practice to develop that style, the SPFL will give them some of that time, however tonight was not the night for the high energy pressing game with an adventurous 4-3-3 playing formation, C/L cup football certainly wasn’t the night to throw a guy in who has hardly kicked a ball last season and has had one training session with his new team mates, very amateurish management tonight, John Collins has found out the real reality of C/L on the pitch as opposed being in a TV studio
As some posters have pointed out a very bad start does not necessarily mean a horrendous season
the glorious balance sheet on
We can all moan about the players that didn’t play well tonight – mulgrew burget pukki etc – but a bigger scandal is the tumshies signed at great cost that weren’t even good enough to start for a shamblised celtic team : take a bow boerigter kayal balde and most importantly the CEO whose strategy dictated your arrival at celtic
Meantime samaras is deemed not worthy of a contract offer
The only real positive for me tonight was McGregor, he looked far better than a lot of his more experienced teammates. The only other two to get pass marks would be FF and VVD who may have played their last game in the hoops!
The biggest negative for me, and it’s more of a realisation is that we are on a big downward curve, I fear I have already seen Celtic at the best I will ever see them and that depresses me.
I hope I am wrong, I have been before…many times, during Mowbrays reign I never thought I would see Celtic in the champion League group stage again but very quickly we went even further, maybe it can happen again.
Night is darkest just before the dawn!
I think it may get darker for a while yet though…
NegAnon2 on
Notthebus you are to blame for this shambles. Take yor tongue for Lawwells behind and look about.
dode on
totally gutted as many of us celtic fans are but the team over the last few seasons has been weakened as we all can see our manager inherited this team what would champions league teams do to us!
WELL we have to win at least 3-0 or more. If they score 1 and we score 4, extra time will follow. I could go on but will not bore you all. To sum it up “We are fecked” Simple Dot Com. I am usually the eternal optimist but not this time. The only hope I can take from tonight’s result for Ronny, is remember the Armenia result and the success WGS achieved after it. Off to Lanzarote tomorrow, funnily enought we did the same after the afore mentioned result.
67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on
To all zombies on here tonight …….. away and dupe yursels
masty is neil lennon and both of us are supporting wee oscar on
Celticrollercoaster
I will never ever be embarrassed to support my team, raging? you bet, embarrassed? never!
itsabouttim on
Listened to this game on Shortbread tonight, so mindful of their ecstatic ramblings, I tried to imagine what was really happening. I don’t wish to criticise our manager too early but I can’t help feel he’s out of his depth.
Since the day he arrived he’s done nothing but talk about continual development and attacking football. When we were 2-1 down we needed to pull the shutters down and finish the game no worse than 2-1. As much as I like Izzy, he’s an attacking fullback so was not what we really needed. Biton would probably have been a better bet. Then he brought on another attacking player. Griffiths for Commons! Attacking football is great but sometimes you just need to defend.
That, sadly, was a woeful defensive performance and that is down to the manager. He is far too obsessed with playing attacking football and too obsessed with theory. I feel his managerial time in Norway has shielded him from the stark realities of what it takes to compete on the European stage.
Unfortunately, because he has expressed his theory and vision of the game so strongly and so often, he can hardly come out in public and change it now.
It is therefore an awful thing to say so early in the season but my gut tells me we should cut our losses before it goes from bad to worse.
the_huddle on
The Green Man
Surely it must be obvious by now, that you cant be a champions league team without spending money.
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But Legia spent less than us?? And they beat us
gorbalstam on
mncelt
22:08 on 30 July, 2014
So if I think the tie is lost it means I don’t love Celtic and I should stay away next week?
67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon ....The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on
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Tonight was an embarrassment for the New Manager and us.
Why do we not learn?
HH
CRC
Posted this last night, and then before the game
clashcitybhoy
19:07 on 30 July, 2014
Last night I posted:
clashcitybhoy
23:17 on 29 July, 2014
Seen a few suggestions on team lines for tomorrow tonight, so here is mine
1) don’t have anyone making their debut away from home in Europe
2) don’t play players out of position
3) stick to either a 442 or 4231 that players are used to.
Let’s hope manager is right and I am wrong .
————–
Don’t wish to gloat in the success of my prediction, but tonight was one of the most hopelessly, incompetent and naive performances I have seen in a long long time.
In the short term it has cost us CL money, but in long term I suspect we will lose 5/6 k season tickets from this, who won’t be back for several years.
What on earth was the manager thinking with that formation?
This week manager has had two major decisions to make , first in letting Tony Watt go , and creating a media circus, the second his line up tonight.
In both, he is spectacularly wrong.
Honestly this is scary.
New football coach on a SPL budget loses Champions League qualifier
Shock
We are at this level because of money
TV money to be exact
And when you don’t have it you have to downsize
Ronny is not an experiment manager he is a cutting your cloth accordingly manager
Players from the artic circle anyone
Celtic FC are working in a local market albeit with global media coverage
So
Borrowing for success is not a real option in the Scottish football financial environment.
See dead club for prime eg
Thankfully our assets are our players and not the bricks and mortar
Not happy with the result of course but happy a possible early European exit wont cause my club to go bust
As big Mogga said take it on the chin
We are where we are because of where we are csc
There are some desperately sad and disillusioned people in here – and I am not talking as a result of the game.
We are in upheaval. We have a new management team, we have yet to play a competitive domestic game, we have lost our captain, we have not had a chance to bring in new resources, we are staying with our Edinburgh relatives, our opponents had a head start on us, we play in a football backwater with limited financial resources, we have no competition in our league, we have to sell our best players to stay alive, yet most of you expect us to be competitive in the biggest club competition in the world.
Get behind your team or just face the fact that you get no pleasure from them and go away. The Board and our management team have my full support. I love Celtic win lose or draw.
We have enough resources to get through this tie. If you don’t believe that, don’t watch next week.
ryecatcher
21:59 on 30 July, 2014
Eh!!!!?????
I can talk a good game too, yet I probably couldn’t manage for toffee… but the only tempo I noticed tonight was the tempo with which we were conceding goals and penalties.
Over to you Ronny. It’s time to get back to basics and learn how to play as a coherent team unit, defending competently and resolutely and, above all, setting your team up to suit the players’ strengths and guard against exposing their weaknesses.
very disappointed tonight but we are where we are.We need time to shape a team for the future.No doubt players will go some because they are not up to it and some because we cant knock back the money offered combined with the fact that they cannot fulfil the ambitions they have with us.We cannot expect Suttons Hartsons and the like to be bought again somewhere in between lies our place in the game.We are still Celtic and we are still here.Just the thoughts of an occassional poster not a happy clapper
Big Chips. It is easy after the event but that team would have been much more solid in my opinion. H.H.
I will be in Murrayfield next week, hope to meet up with some CQN Celtic men
I am not convinced Neil Lennon leaving was responsible for what happened tonight
We have a very inexperienced managerial team at this level, very lofty ideals about how Celtic will play the game, the Celtic way ? nothing wrong with wanting a very ambitious style of play one that keeps possession of the ball in ALL areas of the pitch, play a passing game anywhere on the pitch, however it takes hours and hours of team practice to develop that style, the SPFL will give them some of that time, however tonight was not the night for the high energy pressing game with an adventurous 4-3-3 playing formation, C/L cup football certainly wasn’t the night to throw a guy in who has hardly kicked a ball last season and has had one training session with his new team mates, very amateurish management tonight, John Collins has found out the real reality of C/L on the pitch as opposed being in a TV studio
As some posters have pointed out a very bad start does not necessarily mean a horrendous season
We can all moan about the players that didn’t play well tonight – mulgrew burget pukki etc – but a bigger scandal is the tumshies signed at great cost that weren’t even good enough to start for a shamblised celtic team : take a bow boerigter kayal balde and most importantly the CEO whose strategy dictated your arrival at celtic
Meantime samaras is deemed not worthy of a contract offer
The Football was bad.
But get some perspective.
I’m now watching the news.
And our governments stand by, shame on them.
A baby was buried beside her Mother.
It is just a game, I love it and am hurting, but it’s nothing.
Art of War
22:07 on 30 July, 2014
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Neg & Kev didny cause tonight – it was the balance-sheet
So the solution to our much more expensive team being embarrassed by Legia is that we shouldve spent more money, how does that work?
Surely it must be obvious by now, that you cant be a champions league team without spending money.
But…no, even after a severe thrashing….the happy clappers will still try to talk nonsense, with not even the good grace to admit they are wrong.
Why am I not surprised.
This PLC gravy train has to stop…..they are making Celtic a laughing stock.
They wont spend a dime, but expect the supporters to foot the bill for everything.
Time we opened our eyes to whats going on….massive salaries and bonuses, for what exactly?….embarrassing failure.
Disgusted….PL you should resign
HH
LionsRoars67. see you there.
Zzzzzombies
Their died! We’re not
HH
Thindimebhoy, how do Legia’s resources (turnover, transfer spend, match-day income, etc.) compare to those of Celtic?
I’ve spent a great deal of my working life listening to and dealing with people who are better in theory than in practice .
I have listened to many an academic appraisal of the theory of selling.
Most of those that pontificated about the theory of selling ,failed when put to the test.
I can’t stand Alan Hansen,Mark Lawrenson ,Or Dixon.
They have never achieved anything in management yet they theorise where it went wrong.
The worst of the lot is Alan Shearer.
Given the task of saving Newcastle from relegation he failed to win one match.
Yet he sits and pontificates about where managers are getting it wrong.
Why am I mentioning this .
We’ll I see John Collins and Ronny Deila in this mould.
So called academics of the game.
Theorists who in practice will fail.
Who is to blame.
The people who recruited them.
I stated Boerigter wouldn’t work, Fortune,Moyokolou,Bangura,Balde,Pukki.
I was told to wait and give them a chance.
We’ll I’ll state the same with Collins and Deila.
The club is trapped in the SPL.
It is treading water until Sevco make it into our league.
Then it will be more of the same.
Celtic are losing regular attendees by the tens of thousands.
The product is boring.
Most of the matches are meaningless.
The ones that matter are now beyond us.
This side will struggle to qualify for the Europa League.
It will be further weakened by the sale of our better players.
The SPL should be a walk in the park,but Deila & Collins will make it closer than it was last season.
Dermot in the remote likelihood that you read this,and the even remoter hope that you care.
Please get us out of the SPL and into the EPL.
Find a way.
We are are slowly dying in Scottish football.
TT
Ordinary Bhoy
22:07 on
30 July, 2014
I’m now receiving texts from guys I haven’t heard from in a long long time, guess what their common denominator is?
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your own fault for giving huns yer number..
CRC, it was Ronny’s first game, hopefully he will.
Ryecatcher seriously Scottish equivalent,
are you a fanny or a bawbag
Doc, amen
clashcitybhoy
22:08 on 30 July, 2014
It is, indeed, scary
Sorry, first real challenge in the CL.
Super Salary gets pelters for his 750k salary and Uncle Tom Lawell gets an easy time on 250k per annum more.
Wake up bhoys
The board know that Ronny is a gamble.
Thats why they brought in John Collins
The only real positive for me tonight was McGregor, he looked far better than a lot of his more experienced teammates. The only other two to get pass marks would be FF and VVD who may have played their last game in the hoops!
The biggest negative for me, and it’s more of a realisation is that we are on a big downward curve, I fear I have already seen Celtic at the best I will ever see them and that depresses me.
I hope I am wrong, I have been before…many times, during Mowbrays reign I never thought I would see Celtic in the champion League group stage again but very quickly we went even further, maybe it can happen again.
Night is darkest just before the dawn!
I think it may get darker for a while yet though…
Notthebus you are to blame for this shambles. Take yor tongue for Lawwells behind and look about.
totally gutted as many of us celtic fans are but the team over the last few seasons has been weakened as we all can see our manager inherited this team what would champions league teams do to us!
Gordybhoy……
Give me a reasoned debate and will listen.
TinyTim
That is the post of the night.
Nailed it.
WELL we have to win at least 3-0 or more. If they score 1 and we score 4, extra time will follow. I could go on but will not bore you all. To sum it up “We are fecked” Simple Dot Com. I am usually the eternal optimist but not this time. The only hope I can take from tonight’s result for Ronny, is remember the Armenia result and the success WGS achieved after it. Off to Lanzarote tomorrow, funnily enought we did the same after the afore mentioned result.
To all zombies on here tonight …….. away and dupe yursels
Celticrollercoaster
I will never ever be embarrassed to support my team, raging? you bet, embarrassed? never!
Listened to this game on Shortbread tonight, so mindful of their ecstatic ramblings, I tried to imagine what was really happening. I don’t wish to criticise our manager too early but I can’t help feel he’s out of his depth.
Since the day he arrived he’s done nothing but talk about continual development and attacking football. When we were 2-1 down we needed to pull the shutters down and finish the game no worse than 2-1. As much as I like Izzy, he’s an attacking fullback so was not what we really needed. Biton would probably have been a better bet. Then he brought on another attacking player. Griffiths for Commons! Attacking football is great but sometimes you just need to defend.
That, sadly, was a woeful defensive performance and that is down to the manager. He is far too obsessed with playing attacking football and too obsessed with theory. I feel his managerial time in Norway has shielded him from the stark realities of what it takes to compete on the European stage.
Unfortunately, because he has expressed his theory and vision of the game so strongly and so often, he can hardly come out in public and change it now.
It is therefore an awful thing to say so early in the season but my gut tells me we should cut our losses before it goes from bad to worse.
The Green Man
Surely it must be obvious by now, that you cant be a champions league team without spending money.
———–
But Legia spent less than us?? And they beat us
mncelt
22:08 on 30 July, 2014
So if I think the tie is lost it means I don’t love Celtic and I should stay away next week?
timjim
22:14 on 30 July, 2014
Naw, we’ll hump them next week…..KTF