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Like the Boyne, some history flows into the sea

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You see what happened this week?  The First Minister calls it out (to borrow a phrase), “violence and vandalism and vile anti-Catholic prejudice”.  This gave Police Scotland a responsibility to fall in line, which they did.  That in turn provided cover to journalists to write reflective pieces on why a modern country should be ashamed it retains prejudices like these.

It didn’t used to be like this.  By this stage of any earlier Rangers (old or new) embarrassment, you would be reading about two Celtic fans chanting IRA slogans or dangling an effigy.  Strings would be pulled and the lowest lying Celtic-connected fruit would be plucked and served.  Equivalence in as much time as it takes to sing about the grassy slopes of the Boyne.

Newco/Oldco inevitably deflects and denies, “tiny minority” this, “everyone, anyone” that, you will remember the damage “fans of other clubs” did to Manchester?  It has worked this way since their excesses started to grab headlines in the 70s.

This time, it’s different.  Nicola Sturgeon’s intervention changed the script.  The path from the First Minister, to the police to the journalists who found the freedom to report without fear and intimidation is lined with orange lilies.  Many journos have taken the opportunity, although there are a notable few clearly still imagining themselves doing battle on the aforementioned grassy slopes.

The reaction will probably see an end to George Square takeovers but it is also likely to see trophy parades inhibited, which will affect Celtic more than everyone else put together.  Newco will not change, of course.  From birth, they relied on the lowest common denominator to make the club viable (it is still searching for that quality).  Their values and instincts see them underplay, deflect and deny what the rest of the world sees.

History is either with you or against you.  In the 1980s, it took an hour for Orange Walks to pass through a wee Lanarkshire village like Holytown.  ‘The street’ of my youth was memorably thronged with the drunk and the defecating.  Very few are interested these days.  Like the waters of the Boyne, this particular history will inevitably flow into the sea.

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  1. Probably easier to list the places they visited and never rioted.

     

     

    Sore losers worser winners.

  2. Der Hun oldco and newco haven’t rioted in court yet, they are there quit alot….🤣😂

  3. SQUIRE DANAHER on 18TH MAY 2021 1:27 PM

     

    EKBHOY on 18TH MAY 2021 1:11 PM

     

     

    I was more thinking of the Huns being banned from Ipox , thought they were already banned from CP

  4. There is a danger Celtic will come out of this poorly. We must be careful that we are pulled in to the issue. SNP will use this as an excuse to bring in a new Offensive behaviour Act and we find that it is enforced against Celtic Fans and little enforcement on the Huns.

     

     

    The Liability issue can see our club held responsible for “offensive Behaviour” and fined then other punishments including ground closures and point reductions.

     

     

    We must hammer the “we are not half of anything”. We are not involved in the Saturday excesses. We should ensure that we fight back on any accusations.

  5. squire danaher on

    BIGBHOY on 18TH MAY 2021 3:08 PM

     

     

    Maybe the support doesn’t see the club as ‘half of anything’

     

     

    The business department of our club disagree.

  6. PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 18TH MAY 2021 2:12 PM

     

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    So glad you read the moniker! 😀

  7. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    St Stivs

     

     

    Visited my grandparents in the high flats at Ruby St every Saturday for years. You could feel it was hostile territory – especially cutting through to Parkhead whilst hiding your colours. Billy Fullerton Jr literally lived next door to them. Badlands.

  8. Rolling Stone – I was trying (and perhaps not clearly) to make the point that anti-Irish, anti-Catholic behaviour is accepted in Scotland and ignored or laughed away as banter by the media – while anything perceived as anti-Islamic (or more recently anti black) would be immediately seized upon and condemned.

     

     

    Now, far be it for me to judge, I suspect a lot of the Rangers support don’t have a great deal of respect for Muslims either – but they know they cannot publicly voice those opinions without being punished (cartoon = death sentence reference). If nothing else, they would fear the fury of the Islamic community which knows how to hit back.

     

    FTP singing and the like, on the other hand, is just laughed away. Remember Craig Brown, the Scottish manager, singing Billy Boys on his mobile after a Celtic vs Rangers game? Consequences? Zero. This week where is the church leadership? Where are the archbishops demanding summits? Where are the other communities demanding a show of solidarity for Catholics in the same way as support was shown for Palestine or for immigrants?

     

    Where are the outraged footballers who take a knee for Black Lives Matter? Why are they not interested in standing up for their Catholic colleagues?

     

     

    We, as a community, are a soft target. We roll over and take it. Other communities fight back much more effectively, much more cleverly, much more coherently.

     

     

    Sorry for rambling on. Hope it makes some kind of sense.

  9. Whilst only one Celtic fans acts in a Sectarian manner .

     

    We will forever be subjected to whatabouterry , and the two sides of the same coin gash.

     

     

    The truth will never be believed.

     

     

    TT

  10. DENIABHOY on 18TH MAY 2021 3:23 PM

     

     

    Made a lot of sense to me, por cierto.

  11. timmy7_noted on

    Deniabhoy,

     

    You are correct, we, like our football club this year, are saft as a you know what.

     

     

    The example of the Palestinian flags for me is symptomatic of where we are right now, standing up for nothing and doing our best not to bring attention to ourselves.

  12. For God sake Celtic forget Howe ,regardless of him wanting his coaches from Bournemouth he should have took over at Celtic weeks ago,their must be plenty of good coaches out there that he could work with ,Surely our club have more than 1 coach they are looking at ,My money is on Martinez and Maloney,I’ve said this since Lennon left Celtic,Howe is a cert for Crystal Palace or Newcastle.

  13. DENIABHOY on 18TH MAY 2021 3:23 PM

     

     

    Good post. I wonder if the Church rely on mainstream media (and their rhetoric) as opposed to social media where we can all see the true horror.

  14. Sorry for talking football but just read some comments from Ex player Lee Naylor.I always though he was well overrated but some folk thought he was amazing.he had a good 6mnths then fell away terribly i thought.people were shouting him for england tho i know getting even 1 cap adds plenty to your transfer fee.

  15. spikeysauldman on

    McPhail –

     

     

    Worried about children being divided up during education? Close all private schools, they must result in unequal societies surely?

     

     

    100%

  16. Strange thing about Catholic schools is there are more non Catholics being educated in them than ever before and not one hint of trouble within them with regard to religion. I say that to folks when they bring up the Catholic schooling argument – it’s another way they try and deflect from the reality.

     

     

    Another example was Dick Campbell or his brother being caught singing the Billy Boys in a bar and stating he couldn’t be a bigot as his wife is an RC. So blinkered to their actions and deep rooted feeling of superiority and entitlement.

  17. prestonpans bhoys on

    In the covid table just released shows Glesga top at 100.5 per 100k. Will be much worse in three weeks time, irrespective of what the esteemed dentist says😰

  18. Ruby Street ,Were the Tram Car Depot was and The Stemie and Baths were I went on a Friday after working all week with The Gas Board Street Mains Old Dalmarnock Road,I never seen any trouble regarding Celtic and Rangers supporters back in the day ,could be different now ,with so many changes around that area .

  19. Big Jimmy on 18th May 2021 2:56 pm

     

     

    BHOYJOEBELFAST on 18TH MAY 2021 2:51 PM

     

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    They also rioted when Hibernian FC gubbed them 3-2 in the 2016.Scottish Cup Final.

     

     

    HH

     

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

     

     

    They also rioted when the Cellic beat them in 1980 Cup Final

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daEMvQsWys8

  20. BOGNORBHOY on 18TH MAY 2021 12:41 PM

     

    Herd immunity…

     

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    Herd what?

     

     

    Were they singing the sash too?

  21. Big Jimmy

     

     

    That’s a few days now I’ve read you’ve been poorly…

     

     

    Get better soon my friend.

  22. Winninggemmell,

     

     

    I hope you’re wrong. I fear you may well all too right. None of the Police comments I have heard so far fill me with any confidence that they are interested in taking effective action against those hordes, including all those within Ibrox who broke the covid rules by consuming alcohol.

  23. Been in a cave it seems, since I’ve not heard the choons of the chants from Saturday.

     

    Haven’t even tried to find the crap online – I’ve heard it all before.

     

    But I read on twatter Michael Stewart opining that something must be done about anti-catholic bigotry which made it sound like it is a new phenomenon in Scotland.

     

     

    Their fans acted like they always do, but this time there was added zest to it all.

     

    For them, it was like another “walk” with all the disorder, drunkenness & obstruction that comes with it.

     

    For them, it was winning their first league title…

     

    For them, it was sticking double digits up to Sturgeon, Swinney, Youssef & the SNP. The only surprise for me was that they didn’t re-route their march through Pollokshields on their way to George Sq.

     

     

    Their fans managed to prove some things though – much of it courtesy of the pandemic inspired absence of fans.

     

    There were no fans of the other club to wind them up.

     

    There were no cops battering them & setting alsatians on them.

     

    There were no Celtic fans anywhere near them for the duration of the whole day.

     

    This was their shit show from start to finish with no opportunity for mitigation of any sort.

     

    This was supremacist swaggering because they think they are the peeple & to paraphrase ” it’s the queens highway after all”.

     

     

    Watching their club squirm their way around the damage shows that they’re once again ignorng the real problem.

     

    Is their PR department on the phone to Bute House today but being told that the FM is in meetings all day?

     

    They won the league because we never showed up all season, but this trophy will be remembered for the events of Saturday & is tainted accordingly: a bit like so many others of their trophies.

     

     

    HH

  24. GLENDALYSTONSILS on 18TH MAY 2021 5:01 PM

     

    They are the skid mark on the fabric of Scottish society .

     

     

    They are the left behind dog shite on a newly tarmacked pavement

  25. Drew1967

     

     

    i remember the Naka Man U game and Naylor was flawless vs C Ronaldo that night. I was on the LHS of the Jungle so had a great second half view on their battle. Very clever display, strong but no diving in

  26. I went for 2017, Invincible Treble winner, with that goal and the thunder and lightning, never forget it.

  27. squire danaher on

    SCULLYBHOY on 18TH MAY 2021 5:05 PM

     

     

    1988 for me too but why no 1980 on list …??

  28. Coneybhoy

     

     

    Cant really remember him from that game.need to watch it again.Some of my mates swear by him tho.

  29. CORNELIUS on 18TH MAY 2021 4:25 PM

     

    Big Jimmy

     

     

     

     

     

     

    That’s a few days now I’ve read you’ve been poorly…

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Get better soon my friend.

     

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    Cheers mate.

     

    Ive got my ” serious” Disabilities to contend with ( as have many others of course) each day, but I also have one or two issues that are not enough to put me back in hospital maybe, but they prevent me from going out, and as usual, some days are worse than others. I can be determined to go out to a Beer Garden for instance one Day/Night before, but then by the next morning I have to tell myself ” NO”….not Today ?

     

    I hope you and yours are all in great health.

     

    Thanks.

     

    HH.