Celtic have only one game before they meet Benfica in the Champions League, away to St Johnstone on Saturday. The Perth team are bottom of the SPL without a win so far this season, so will not present a significant challenge, but Celtic could do with a sterner test.
Lassad Noiuoiu, Efe Ambrose and Miku Fedor each need to be stretched before they will be ready for Champions League football. Even if they get a full 90 minutes on Saturday, so I can’t see either starting against Benfica a week on Wednesday, unless they possess uncommon natural fitness, or our injury crisis steps up a level.
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Seen this on TSFM blog :)))
From celticfcblog on KDS
There is something decidedly about this new R******s contest offering their fans the chance to win £1million if they hit the crossbar from the halfway line.
Especially when the official Website page suggests it is being run from a hairdressing supplies warehouse in Troon.
Mugs will pay £1.50 per text or £1.53 plus standard network charge if they are stupid enough to enter and can answer the really hard question:
Where do Rangers play their home games: A. Tynecastle; B. Ibrox. C. Hampden. (Correct answer, of course is: D. Nowhere, because they’re deid ).
Or they can even enter their kids before the contest closes at midnight on the 30th April 2013.
The website page suggests that the contest is being organised by Matador Sports.
There is no such company. And the URL matadorsports.co.uk contains only a logo.
But the contact address for Customer Services is given as: Call Centre Sales Scotland Ltd., First Floor, 1 Dukes Road, Troon KA10 6QR.
Again, there is no such company as Call Centre Sales Scotland Ltd.
However, Callcentresales (Scotland) Ltd was registered to an accountants office in Kilmarnock last August.
Its Director is Kelly Munro, who is also a Director of Call Centre Sales Ltd, which appears to have negative shareholders funds of £-130,000.
And whose shareholders include Stagecoach co-owner Brian Souter.
The Call Centre business seems to have been set up by serial entrepreneur Gordon Cowan (George Gordon Cowan on official forms) and operates out of Argyll House in Livingston.
But the only director now listed is Kelly Munro, who is listed on LinkedIn as General Manager of hairdressing supplies firm Hairdu & Beauty Ltd.
Who operate out of a small warehouse unit at 1 Dukes Road, Troon.
All in all, I’m sure there’s nothing for R******s fans to worry about.
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Goodnight all especially those who are going through a hard time just now. HAIL HAIL YNWA
TJ
You are getting a steam up!
You are related to mcnamara…….are’nt you.
Admit it.
No matter what you say I never ever thought he was exceptional.
So what?
I’ll sleep ok tonight.
Just in case anyone missed this early …… Very straightforward……!!!!!
Rangers and The Rangers – What’s The Difference?
September 9, 2012 by Gordon Johnston
Some people seem to think I’m obsessed with a certain club in the third division of Scottish football, judging by past comments on this blog. This is not the case at all – I simply find the machinations and mental gymnastics taking place around the case of Rangers/ “The Rangers”/ Sevco 5088/ Sevco Scotland fascinating.
And it’s my blog so I’ll write about whatever interests or amuses me. That’s the rule.
Now, after many months of debate, where football fans have had to get to grips with the worlds of corporate finance, company law and insolvency practice, exactly where are we with the various corporate entities involved in this saga?
Terminology is everything in this discussion. It has generated many column inches, or whatever the web equivalent is, of text. Fans of the team that plays in blue at Ibrox (let’s be vague just for now) are desperate to believe that the history of their club is unbroken. They argue that the various corporate entities are simply the owners of a football club, which is separate from all of them and has a continuous life of its own.
The problem for them is that their position does not stand up to a logical assessment.
Rangers Football Club was formed in 1872.It was simply a sporting club with members who probably paid subscriptions and a committee elected according to a constitution. Now such a club has no legal identity in law, it is simply a group of like minded people coming together to do something collectively, be it organise fishing trips or football matches. In the modern parlance it is an unincorporated voluntary organisation.
The club later incorporated, that is it became a company. It changed its legal status and so obtained a legal identity. Rangers Football Club Ltd was not then a new entity, simply a new form of the original club. And when that limited company later became a public limited company it had again simply changed its legal status. Rangers Football Club PLC was a continuation of Rangers Football Club Ltd was a continuation of Rangers Football Club.
So there is an unbroken line from 1972 to 2012. The club existed all that time, simply taking different legal forms. But that, as we all know, is when things changed.
Rangers Football Club PLC was placed into administration with massive debts. Administrators were appointed to run the club in accordance with Scots law. An agreement was proposed to creditors seeking to pay them a mere fraction of what they were owed but this was not accepted.
And so the administrators of the club sold its assets to one Charles Green. Note that he did not buy the corporate entity, the company, but merely its assets. He didn’t want to take on the debts as well, of course.
So the owner of the assets, Ibrox and Murray Park, was now Green’s company called Sevco Scotland. Some of the players transferred from the old company to the new one while others walked away. Confusingly, this company has apparently now changed its name to Rangers Football Club Ltd. But if you check with Companies House you will find that it is Company No. SC425159 and was formed on 29 May 2012.
The original company still exists. It is still in administration, with liquidation to come soon. It has no assets but retains massive debts that we know will never be paid. But that company still exists – and is totally separate from the brand new company that it sold its assets to.
So where does this leave us?
There are now two corporate bodies. An old one with debts that used to own a football ground and employ football players, which is not now a member of any football league. And a new one that now owns the ground and employs football players, playing in the third division.
Clearly they are different legal structures. There is no unbroken history from one to the other. That’s why the players had to be transferred from one to the other and the new entity had to apply to join the football league.
But the argument is that a football club is not a corporate entity, it is something else.
So what exactly is it then? No one can come up with an explanation that makes any sense. Of course fans support a football team not a company. But the team is merely something that the company controls; it has no separate identity in law. It would be like arguing that he Woolworth’s shop on Argyle Street was not simply something that the company operated and could continue to exist when it went bust. It wasn’t and it didn’t. The shop that now operates from those premises is not in any sense Woolworth’s.
In football there simply is no separate “club” that is operated by a company. They are one and the same thing. The company employs the players and coaches, sells the tickets, banks the money and (in theory at least) lives up to the footballing and legal responsibilities of the bodies that govern it.
Top level professional football clubs actually ceased to be clubs in any meaningful sense a long time ago. They are now, in the main, corporate structures owned by shareholders and not clubs controlled by members. And we all know that companies can go bust. They can cease to exist yet have their assets used by new companies, often for the same purpose.
And that’s exactly why the football team playing in the third division as “The Rangers” is now is a separate entity from the football team that used to play in the SPL as Rangers.
petec
the sky deal was a significant rise on the previous contract…..a very significant rise
as for £5m debt for CFC being a killer ..get real
Philbhoy, hahahaha.
Nice exchange tonight.
Hail hail
TJ
leftclicktic-Good spot mate,when wee Mel fae Benidorm does a runner with their money,it might just be too much for the vermin.
stephenpollock
19:18 on
9 September, 2012
I am a Celtic supporter but also Scottish. Don’t pretend to be Irish. If Scotland can qualify for world cup then Walter smith should be manager and McLeish deputy. Best people available. I’m sickened sometimes .by the low mentality on here. If these guys are in charge i believe Scotland will qualify. We are a Scottish club.
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May I suggest that before you question the ‘low mentality on here’, that you learn how to use capital letters for proper nouns and construct sentences without putting full stops in the middle.
You’re welcome.
Bada Bing…… It’s on tomorrow mate
TJ
We should shake hands and move on.
Shake?
Hail Hail!
Burghbhoy-Thanks mate.HH
THE EXILED TIM
No NO no.
The Bubble can’t be inflated much more.
The next wave of the D is about to be initiated.
Quantitive Easing, means loosening the collar on the noose that is round the Central Banks necks.
The Can is getting kicked so far.
The Solution was decided way before the crisis, what is happening is to make sure what is “preferred”, happens. The masses would have never accepted it.
Carbon Credits or something very similar and sinister.
Nothing new under the sun.
David Ginola 10/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu3gd2FulwY
TJ
Noone usually replies to my posts, so I enjoyed it too!
Justice for the 96!
Philbhoy-Not wanting to get in on your debate,did you not rate Jackie Mac at all ? I thought he was a very consistent performer who gave his all for the team.Just askin like.
Philbhoy, cyber shake accepted….!!
Jackie was a legend though…………
Till the next time…
TJ
TJ
Cheers mate!
darwinsbeautifulidea
14:06 on
9 September, 2012
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Oh aye, right ye are then.
Philbhoy
Are you new on here?
leftclicktic
20:20 on
9 September, 2012
That is hilarious …… When will they ever learn……… Could Also be a long ‘half time’ that day…….
ht
Aye, first day.
Do you no answer yer emails?
petec
Football, and in the main, the big clubs, will be sheilded from the so called recession.
They will not take away the football, football is the opium of the masses, you only have to look at the real 3rd and 4th world countries to see that the only thing that thrives is football, while the populus are destitute.
Before Sky got their current deal, they had seriously stiff competition for Al Jazera, who have an untapped market that Sky will struggle to break into.
Football is here to stay, and whatever form it takes, Celtic are well placed to be part of whatever transpires.
Trying to catch up on a lot of posts.
Jackie Mac was treated very poorly by the club, the offer he was made to remain a part of the team he loves was derisory and he deserved much better treatment based on the service he had given to us.
….PFayr
20:21 on 9 September, 2012
petec
the sky deal was a significant rise on the previous contract…..a very significant rise
as for £5m debt for CFC being a killer ..get real
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I think this kind of debt, at this time, especially where we are playing, is VERY dangerous.
The Middle East is about to blow this time and the whole downturn in Economics is going to be exacerbated 10 fold.
Burghbhoy-Only through the Liverpool fans quest for the truth,it is coming out now.A disgraceful cover up.The MPs Steve Rotheram and Andy Burnham have been outstanding in serving the City of Liverpool on this matter.
I hear that ‘Downfall’ is fairly flying off the shelf; or maybe that should be – fairly flying off from under the counter’.
Not long off the ‘phone to a good friend who is in Scotland ( a Tim), who had an interesting story to tell.
First thing yesterday morning he entered Waterstone’s bookstore in Ayr High Street in order to puchase Phil’s book. After wandering round for ten minutes in a fruitless search for it, he approached the counter and enquired of the young female assistant where he might find it. She promptly produced a copy from under the counter and when my friend asked why it was not on display, she informed him that it was ‘company policy’ to keep certain books out of sight!
He shook his head and gave a wry smile, paid and left.
Apparently this is happening all over Scotland, while some stores are not stocking it at all!
Could only happen in fundamentalist Scotland – ‘The best little bigoted country in the world’.
Guaranteed no 1 bestseller ‘though!
Ordered mine from amazon 2 weeks ago, but they are telling me that I might not get it for another ten days!
HH!!
philbhoy
I haven’t had any emails from you my friend.
ht
Are you new on here?
philbhoy – it’s just the beginning!
20:27 on 9 September, 2012
Hello….!!
67Heaven……
Thanks mate!
petec
in which case we will all have that much to worry out that football will be irrelevant
however
i think you`re way off the mark ..if £5m can cause serious damage to a club the size of CFC ..then most other teams will be out of business….we will have no opponents to play
Tallybhoy- Reminiscent of Salman Rushdie’s Satanic Verses.He received (and still does I believe) 24 hour personal protection,i’m sure Phil will receive the same service………..eh maybe not Mr Salmond?
ht
I sent you an email about the Quiz night.
I can’t make it but would like to contribute the cost of a ticket.
I was asking how to get the money to you.
I have already contributed via other sites but wanted to support the Quiz Night too.
You posted an email address to which i replied. As far as I can see it went ok.
bada bing..hillsborough programme on BBC1 Yorkshire at 10.20 tonight channel 956 on Sky.
Wecome Philbhoy.
Are you a….?
FFM
…..err, no.
hamiltontim
20:25 on
9 September, 2012
He He….
Ghuys:
I have a collection of Vinyl Records I am looking to sell: 41 x LPs, 25 x 7″ Singles, 2 x Picture Discs and 5 x 12″ Singles. Posted on Gumtree.
Anybody any advice on how to sell them apart from Gumtree, e-bay?
Have a full list that I can e-mail.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
philbhoy – it’s just the beginning!
20:40 on 9 September, 2012
You’re welcome ……LOL