I don’t get the flares thing. It’s not a part of my going-to-see-Celtic tradition. But if it was my thing, I’d have the courage of my convictions, I wouldn’t hide the fact.
There are consequences of bringing flares to football games, always has been. By not having the courage to openly ignite them, those consequences are not personalised to the individuals who regard this as an integral part of what they do at a football game, they are visited upon everyone in the vicinity, as well as the club.
The problem with flares at Celtic games is those who bring them hide the fact – as they clearly know there are consequences, and presumably aren’t too interested in taking responsibility for them. ‘Keen on flares, not keen enough to stand up for them’, is why the issue persists.
I get the attraction to bright, shiny, things, but this isn’t a campaign to bring the vote to disenfranchised people against a force who will execute the offender on sight. It’s about bringing a flare to a football game. If it’s so important, do it openly. If you think Health and Safety are simply wrong, find the evidence and use it in court. Have the courage to change something. I know lots of Celtic fans who have had the courage to put their name to something they believed in, in recent years. It’s seldom easy, but it has been done.
But in the years of this debate no one has ever pointed to evidence that igniting flares in a football ground is a clever thing to do. It’s just a ‘look at me’ exercise, ‘But don’t look at my face’, of course.
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Episode 5 of ‘A Celtic State of Mind’ finds Paul John Dykes and Kevin Graham discussing a variety of topical subjects concerning Celtic Football Club, including:
* What now for the Green Brigade?
* Dedryck Boyata – Are reinforcements on route?
* Virgil van Dijk – The windfall cometh;
* Emilio Izaguirre – Moving on.
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TAL
Have always wanted to visit Nicaragua since Modern Studies lessons at school. Feck dem CIA trained and funded contras. :)
Safe journey home mate.
Viva Sandinista!
TWC
5K may not be a huge sum but IMO it is throwing your money away.
As I said the highest court in the land holds no sway with the cabal that run the game, if they refuse point blank, and they are refusing to accept the decision of the SC, what the ef do you think they will say to a fan driven review ?
Only the clubs can do this, the fans can force the clubs, but only the clubs can do it.
Sleep well Timland, and think on about what happens next.
Decision time for many, stick or twist, only you can decide.
STARRY PLOUGH @ 10:23 PM,
Yes, they think they can pull the wool over our eyes with a bit of legalese – most folk know Lawyers have Briefs and are Instructed.
Depending on what you are asking/seeking/requesting the advice will vary accordingly.
From the SFA Statement the advice seemed to amount to how the Board, Members and Employees could be protected from any illicit or negligent actions or decisions they took over this Debacle.
That’s why Stewart Regan described the Legal situation as “Complex”.
Let’s face it, if the wanted advice on how to set up a Review of the LNS Commission’s findings in the light of further evidence and the SC’S decision on EBTs it’s straight forward.
If you want advice that does the above but protects any transgressions when bending and breaking the rules, regulations and codes to create the 5WA.
And protects the architects of the resultant rigged LNS Commission.
Then of course, that’s a lot more Complex and probably why their Counsel advised against a Review.
MOONBEAMSWD @ 10:42 PM,
Well I’m hoping that Celtic PLC have been straight about keeping their powder dry:) and were always working in good Faith.
The work that the Res12 guys have put in, not only on the resolution but to the malfeasance in general has been astounding.
The vibes are not good though…
Has PL managed to hold off a SPFL Statement long enough so he could get off the Board when they decide to do nothing on the SC’S Decision?
Wednesday and Celtic’s reaction to any statement will tell us.
I’m now totally convinced the SPFL will not Commision a Independent and Impartial Review of the EBTs – What will Celtic’s response be, as there are no further barriers, will they press ahead with Res12?
Now, we will soon find out, as regards a Review and Calls to exam Sporting Advatage were Celtic PLC bidding their time, or stringing us along for pragmatic purposes?
Hail Hail
TET
I will make a decision after Wednesday.
I have just paid £600 cash for my season in Celtic Park. I genuinely hope that it is not the last cash I spend on Celtic tickets, but fear it may be.
TET
I used that sum as an example given by the lawyer. It would be a typical token contribution for what could be a quarter of a million in costs at our end if we want to go on LNS, BTC, WTC, Res12 and same club myth.
You are right about the clubs though and that is why my view is that the ONLY way to get all this sorted out is via a Judicial Review.
I sat in Doncaster’s boardroom two months ago and debated all of this with him,
He believes he speaks for the clubs, they created the myth via the 5 Way Agreement, he told me that even if Supreme Court found in favour of HMRC he would do nothing, he said that WTC couldn’t be looked at and more. The Res12 guys were fully briefed via Auldheid and BRTH as were Celtic.
The club are active at the moment and more on the way forward will emerge.
The Geneva Tribune ad was delivered to UEFA officials and got Regan questioned on this at his AGM – paper luckily enough (!!) came out on the same day.
We can argue, debate, agree or disagree on here and it is sometimes great to form ideas and objectives – but it will remain a talking shop until we take matters beyond the internet.
We are also looking to involve fans from other clubs in this incidentally.
I go to most games and enjoy it immensely – last season was so special. But I want to see this through.
Budge said they were considering recommendations ,more to say Wednesday,who made the recommendations previous or today’s board
JF @ 10:02
Easier herding cards than getting fans of all 11 SPFL teams organized.
Ive seen some cons in my time, but today was outrageous.
Id love to know how the meeja can announce the result before the review has taken place?
That alone should be enough to set alarm bells ringing. Isnt having prior knowledge in this matter rather sinister to say the least.
HH
The members of the SPFL and SFA clearly believe that they need to defend any attempts to strip Rangers titles.
I can only think that they think this for commercial reasons. They think that Rangers are more likely to take their ball and go home if titles are stripped. They fear the loss of them and their pounds more than they care about the sport. They fear Rangers bhoycotting games, they fear the legal challenge from Rangers, they fear the requests for reviews of all of the nefarious issues they raise.
This must be true as no one from the SPFL or SFA has as yet not denied that Rangers cheated. If you cannot say they didn’t cheat then why are you defending a position that does nothing to protect your sport. They must think the commercial advantages of keeping their current decision making intact outweighs the commercial advantage of changing it.
If CQN is anything to go by they are right. I suspect Celtic are bracing for impact as they also believe that not stripping titles is the best decision. i await the press release that starts ‘ Celtic Football club have today reluctantly accepted the decision Of the member clubs….we will continue to push for changes to governance etc. Disappointed etc.
I won’t accept that from my club or anyone else’s.
Dessy
Would trust Budge as far as I could through her and her mate Minty.
” I`m furious that Rangers have been cheating ,
so I`m going to stop travelling to watch Celtic. ”
Cue ………..guffaws from huns of every hue .
And
” So, Brendan ,what is your opinion of the fact that your supporters are boycotting your away games ? ”
And
” If you`re not going , can I get your ticket ? “
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 24TH JULY 2017 11:02 PM
SA
The only power we have, is the money we fund football with.
Id rather fight till id dropped down dead, than give in. But maybe that is just me.
Why tf am i having to plead for people to stand up?
Im doing my bit, if everybody would do likewise, it would be over pronto.
Give them nothing, absolutely zero.
Stop funding our enemies that want to cheat.
That is the only way.
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Coca cola has won the war so I wont be supping from the can. Is that all you’ve got? A coordinated legal funded strategy fighting from within would surely have a better chance of succeeding as opposed to proposing the forlong hope for all out anarchy?
HH
Dessybhoy
Whichever non-Arbroath ‘top lawyer’ they consulted??
Throw.
Mullet
Social unrest?
Winning Captains, ant idea of a timeline for such a review?
We obviously have a big week ahead of us.
Traynor’s minions marching to the beat of his (lambeg) drum.
Moussa Dembele to Marseille: Celtic begin negotiations over £20million transfer
CELTIC have kicked off talks with Marseille over a £20million deal for striker Moussa Dembele
Doubt Chuckie Big Hauns lurks, but, if he does, he must be ruefully thinking to himself “I wish there’d been more like them about in 2012!”
Nothing like continuing in the same division to underline, you know, continuity.
SA
We have just had a decision from the supreme court, the highest court in the land.
The SFA/HUNS have laughed at it, and you propose more legal futility.
Sorry, but that is no strategy, that is sitting in the slow lane, waiting, waiting, waiting,. How long do you want to wait , i will be dead soon ffs:)
When is the penny going to drop that the legal system is as corrupt as the Huns, when?
Lawyers are rubbing their hands.
Starve the cheats of money, boycott them, that will work.
HH
Doc
It’s a case of waiting to see what happens re Celtic’s request and if nothing happens we go. I suspect that they know we will go to JR indeed Topping said so in his Non Arbroath Declaration.
I suspect that what we will see on Wednesday is an attempt to frustrate any group of supporters going for a JR particularly to get the Order i described previously.
That terrifies them.
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 24TH JULY 2017 11:41 PM
I reckon you’d prefer “professional” wrestling on the telly rather than take up any offer of a ticket for a sporting contest.
HH
SIONNACH ABU on 24TH JULY 2017 11:52 PM
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 24TH JULY 2017 11:41 PM
I reckon you’d prefer “professional” wrestling on the telly rather than take up any offer of a ticket for a sporting contest.
HH
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Well you reckon wrong .
JR would work IMHO.
SFA/SPFL could ignore but parliament, subject to its own oversight and audit, would have to justify public money going to an out of control fiefdom.
Think a boycott of AWAY matches, as a last straw, could be effective. Not now as we need to build a consensus but it would have the same financial impact as sevco boycott (greater actually if you count the damage they cause).
By the way – if anyone doubts that Jabba has sway over one or more editorial controllers at BBC Scotland have a look for the Barry bankruptcy on the BBC website.
In fact, don’t bother wasting your time.
Hail hail and good night all.
The Green Man
You are following the same logic as the SFA.
Darryl Broadfoot stated that fans can decide themselves – if you disagree don’t turn up and if you turn up, by SFA logic, you agree.
Celtic supporters are going to turn up and any boycott would be a failure.
You are mad and rightly so but why give the SFA the “proof “they would love and would use again and again as justification?
WC having them terrified sounds like a great start.
If there is anything that can be done to help, say the word.
If I can I will.
The wilful ingoring of obvious fact is incredible.
That Doncaster thinks he represents the clubs is frightening.
That he actually does………………………..
Of to Aberdeen in the morning, I’ll ask a couple of the Dandies I know what they think.
Ye see, folk might be getting the wrong configurations in their minds, about boycotts.
Ye see, boycotting isn’t the same as what the, excellent Celts For Change guys did, with their, Sack The Board demonstrations, although they were boycotting as well.
But, boycotting dizny mean, demonstrating in the car park.
Boycotting means, not attending the actual game, therefore, denying the club, your money, which will be difficult now as,it seems as though the PLC are in hoc with the SPFL, going by the, timings of events.
1. Season tickets sold out….
2. Ban the Green Brigade…
3. SPFL announcement.
they have timescaled a sting, and guess who’s been stung ?
Aye,…..
Boycotting means, denying the club, your money.
But,if you’ve renewed yer season book, and you then, boycott, well the club won’t be affected as they already have your money. If you pay by direct debit, you can cancel.
This is why I’m suspicious of the timing of events.
They’re all cut from the same cloth.
Cheating crooks, who will, brass it out if empty seats appear.
Just keep it simple and, don’t go near Celtic Park or, any other Scottish grounds.
It’ll be difficult but, its a case of, stay strong or, be shafted.
God Bless, Willie Wilson – Save Our Celts – Thank you.
…..off-oot.
Social unrest is a real possibility. Rangers have been out of control since they made their deliberate policy to exclude Roman Catholics. Their fans have supported that club. No authority ever took them to task on their sectarian employment policy. Fear again.
When I grew up I wasn’t allowed to play for Rangers. Me and hundreds of thousands of others. They have never apologised for it. Now we have this scandal. Why is anyone expecting any different result. What a horrible game.
TWC
Listen, if the SFA/SPFL can be that brazen, do you really think they are terrified?
Terrified of what, silence from the PLC?
You dont need to be terrified from people who look the other way, and that is why we are in this mess now.
The PLC never acted forcefully when they should have, they swallowed the lie, and now they are being choked with it.
If the PLC allow the blazers to cheat Celtic, is that ok?
Should we just shrug our shoulders, or is it another big punt into the legal long grass?
Why supporters cant grasp the fact, that they are funding people who hate them and want to rig the league, i just dont understand.
Its not rational to allow yourself to be cheated.
HH
Parenthood has made me a better person.
Having a son has made me still more committed to my values.
I will be able to look him in the eye with a clear conscience and tell I stood against corruption and cheating.
Let the establishment bring it on.
Unrepentant CSC
HH jamesgang
INVINCIBLE ‘GG:
Agreed. But you know what? I want to know who cares and who doesn’t, and that means the fans. I want to kn ow who can be counted on to go the extra mile. I want to know who’s club’s supporters are willing to accept cheating, and I’m betting a lot of the people who DO buck the idea of an away match Day of Action would be exactly the same clowns I frequently lose it with who keep on accusing Celtic of being a club that only looks out for itself and thinks the SFA is a pro-Celtic AND Sevco cabal.
I want these people to look us in the face, if you like, after they’ve decided to leave us to this, and then still try to argue that case. I want to separate those who’re serious and care enough from those who want a quiet life.
SIONNACH ABU:
I think there’s room for both approaches here.
Listen, as far as I’m concerned there’s no need to limit our response.
The US nuclear warplan is called SIOP … they have something in there called Redundancy. Certain locations are multi-targeted, from all three parts of the triad, so that if the ICBM’s somehow fail, the bombers might get through and if they don’t manage it the submarine launched missiles will still wipe the target away.
And if all three hit the mark, who’s gonna care?
There’s no such thing as over-kill on this one. I prefer it to under-kill every time.
Maradominic on 24th July 2017 6:32 pm
Feel sorry for res12 guys who were strung along like fools.. they were too trusting..anyone who heard bankier for more tyha 2 seconds would have nothing to do with him
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I had a longish post saying don’t feel sorry for us being played, because we weren’t.
Quite the reverse and if what we have been told is happening , whether it is successful or not, the RES12 boys will take satisfaction that without our efforts Celtic would have nothing to work with.
If you want to know what did happen there is a book waiting to be written, I’m just hoping it will have a happy ending.
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 24TH JULY 2017 11:51 PM
Going by your reckoning, and if lassiez faire attitudes like that prevailed. The Maguire Seven, Birmingham Six, and Guildford Four would all be still languishing in their cells. Waiting.
Keep the guns well oiled mo chara. Take the fight to them if that’s what it takes, but for God’s sake, don’t give up.
HH
My reasoning is sound. It does not make sense to allow your enemies to cheat you.
HH
SA
My brother works for MOJO, so im well aware of the cases you refer to.
If people had have given up, would wee Paddy be out now?
What if everybody just sat on their hands and accepted it, what would have been the outcome?
Tell me.
HH
TGM
Stockholm Syndrome sufferers post here in their numbers. Sadly.
KEVJUNGLE on 24th July 2017 11:59 pm
Celtic had absolutely no control over the timing of the Craig Whyte trial or The Supreme Court decision.
The completion of both brought into the public domain what was always believed but could not be acted upon.
It is still July and SC ruled on the 5th so, given the number of factors at play, and there are, for both Celtic and the SPFL were watching them emerge from both courts, I think not a lot of meaning can be put into the timing.
I imagine the SPFL AGM was arranged some time ago with no consideration as to when the court cases ended either. Id put that thinking back in a box.
DD
They were females.
:-)