Middlesbrough finished a point off the play-offs in the English Championship last season, which was not enough to save manager, Tony Pulis, from the sack. Pulis is an experienced hand with teams fighting relegation from the Premiership or looking for promotion to it, having worked at Stoke, Crystal Palace and West Brom.
A month after the sacking, Middlesbrough gave rookie, Jonathan Woodgate, the job, with former Celtic striker, Robbie Keane his assistant.
Football teams have a tendency to overcompensate for their last perceived mistakes when appointing a manager. Pulis was taken from a regular, if uninspiring, stock. They have not made that ‘mistake’ with Woodgate.
The former Real Madrid defender will bring colour and excitement to the Riverside, at least in the short-term, but his chances of out-performing Pulis next season are open to debate. Middlesbrough have the resources to attract managerial talent from most leagues in Europe or South America. While these territories have worked well for others seeking improvement in England, there are significant risks.
Like Sunderland, who appointed St Mirren manager, Jack Ross, a year ago, they could have looked to less-risky Scotland, but can you name an appropriate candidate who would be up for this one?
Appointing a rookie is a big roll of the dice, to be avoided if possible. But anyone who tells you appointing a sure-fire success is easy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. All you can hope to do is avoid sure-fire failures.
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BIG WAVY @ 12:35 PM,
“Player at latter end of his contract wants a new contract with a sizeable wage.
Club think player is deemed not a first team pick next season and finite amount of money better spent on a new player instead.
Player naturally unhappy that he didn’t get his way.
Don’t see the problem here. He’s unhappy but club right to prioritise with the bigger picture in mind.”
The problem lies here…
Several seasons ago, Celtic signed a new deal with Mikael, that deal was for 5 years!? And an option to extend for year.
What that means is after the 5 years Celtic could extend the deal or let Mikael go.
Fair enough, the option on the deal ran out on 30th May, Celtic didn’t take up that option.
Fair do’s a trophy laden player, who has contributed to an historical period in our history, a senior player who has Captained the team and has for many years been a hunskelper extraordinary.
Now as he goes to move on, as he is still technically a Celtic player, Celtic are hanging on to his registration in case they make the usual dogs dinner of recruiting his replacement.
He will then be offered a new contract at much reduced terms.
hardly keeping in the spirit of his Contract agreement now is it
hardly the way to treat a senior Celtic player who has over some considerable time been a great servant to the Club:
hardly a great advert for getting other players to sign for Celtic.
Shabby, Tardy and Shameful, I’d say.
We need a head of recruitment or a director of football to stop this shambles… NOW, before it gets beyond a joke.
As it stands we are far from being more than a Club. We are a ruthless, money grabbing Corporate.
Free the Umea One!!
Hail Hail
The agent is Liam Donnelly, the Club were not enamored with him,when he represented Stuart Armstrong….
Personally I hope the Turnbull lad doesn’t sign, I don’t think he is worth £3m, we have as good if not better at the club, we should move on and sign what we really need and that is defenders, they should be the priority.
By all means leak the info to the media Celtic, but to go on to twitter with a childish tweet, the PR at the club really needs upped, it’s amateur at best.
Celtic are not the only game in town. Fair play drawing a line in the sand though. Agent can’t play us off anyone else now.
God bless Kano foundation, celtic foundation and many others
Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy,
Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope.
To thee do we cry,
Poor banished children of Eve;
To thee do we send up our sighs,
Mourning and weeping in this valley of tears.
Turn then, most gracious advocate,
Thine eyes of mercy toward us;
And after this our exile,
Show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
O clement, O loving,
O sweet Virgin Mary.
℣ Pray for us, O holy Mother of God,
℟ that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
I’d never heard of this guy before Celtic showed interest.
He can sod off in to obscurity of the English lower leagues. I don’t expect to hear about him again.
BADA-hi pal ,I mentioned cal mac last week and silly money was involved,could this be another sweetener to BR going there.Just more wacky out the box thinking ?
Banda bing. Correct name.
He is also Robbo’s agent. Worked out ok for him.
And I’m sure Armstrong didn’t do anything he didn’t want to do.
HOT SMOKED
I agree . If he was to backtrack and sign for us , there would be a cloud over the boy which he would have to work very hard to dispel. Moreover , with a greedy agent like that, how long before he is persuaded to move on?
‘He chose not to accept our offer’.
That’s all Celtic needed to say.
Celtic are the only team to agree a fee with Motherwell at the moment ,any other interested parties must match celtics bid,before talking terms.
Chairbhoy, How do you know the option expired on the 31st May. You are the first ghuy to actually put a date on it.
Secondly Celtic have already made him an offer for the next 2 years albeit on reduced terms.
If the option has expired, then Mik is perfectly within his rights to sign a contract elsewhere, apparently he is not short of offers. I haven’t a clue when the option expires but the fact that Mik hasn’t made a move would suggest that he is still on the Celtic payroll and that the option period hasn’t expired yet.
Big wavy and bsr-you two make me think the krankies were funny after all ??
Paul67 et al
Will Turnbull’s agent guarantee Motherwell the £3 mill Celtic are/were prepared to pay?
I’m guessing not.
Any young player who choses Barnsley over Celtic clearly has doubts about his own ability and his chances of hitting the big time.
So, probably best all round if that’s what has happened.
!!BADA BING!! on 14TH JUNE 2019 6:20 PM
The agent is Liam Donnelly, the Club were not enamored with him,when he represented Stuart Armstrong….
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He is a PFA guy I’m sure…
ERNIE LYNCH on 14TH JUNE 2019 6:42 PM
Any young player who choses Barnsley over Celtic clearly has doubts about his own ability and his chances of hitting the big time.
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Or the opposite ?
Final word for now, Michael Stewart was on the BBC comparing Turnbull to Michael Ballack. Maybe it’s all gone to his head. We can agree or disagree about the Twitter statement but standing firm on the deal is hard to argue against.
CHAIRBHOY @ 6.19
That’s really disappointing by your standards given all you have is the same as the rest of us, which is zero knowledge of Mikael Lustigs private contract situation.
Your post degenerates to club bashing
Shabby, Tardy and Shameful, I’d say.
All on the basis of Mikel Lustig’s chat to journalists in Sweden and a situation where for all we know, his contract exists till 30/06/19, as they do normally.
I’d bet there is nothing in the contract that says he’ll enjoy the same wage and terms and conditions of the first four years?
But then who cares whether its £13,000 p.w. or a mere £10,000 p.w. it’ll depend on what he’s offered in Sweden, and he’ll sign for whomsoever, accordingly.
Good money ( if you can get it ) CSC
CORKCELT @ 6:30 PM,
It was widely reported…
https://www.footballinsider247.com/revealed-lennon-wants-to-overruled-board-over-celtic-player-exit/
The option ran to the end of May and Celtic didn’t take the option and gave him notice…
So rather than give him the agreed extension or letting him go to pastures new, Celtic are keeping him to his one months notice, so he can’t move on.
If they struggle to replace him, they’ll offer him a reduced deal.
See CQN: Lustig, love and money…
Meanwhile Mikael and family can’t move on…
As I say for a senior, hunskelping Celtic history maker… Shabby, Tardy and Shameful.
What’s your take Corkcelt?
Hail Hail
FAVOURITE UNCLE on 14th June 2019 7:14 pm
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Nuts!
poor peppa loses it at the end
we’ve all been there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jil0WCh_UoQ
Chairbhoy, First of all if there was no option Mik could have signed a pre contract in Sweden last Christmas, if the option has run out he could shave signed a pre contract on the 1st June.
I think it would be extremely odd if 4 years ago Celtic gave him a 4 year contract to the 30th June but for some reason dated the i year option to the 30th May.
I have no doubt that Mik was on a big whack & this month Celtic will be adding 20,000 plus to his Bank Account. He can hardly expect to be paid by 2 Clubs at the same time.
Celtic cannot hold on to his registration, wgen his contract expires it expires simple as that.
If the option has already expired there is such a thing as the Bosman ruling, there is nothing in the world stopping Mik signing a pre contract in Sweden.
As I said earlier I strongly suspect that the option has not run out and that is the reason he is holding back,
Celtic too quick to make statement
Celtic too slow in making statements
We gave Paul Lambert a year’s extension to finish his coaching badges.
Even though, in the previous year, he had managed only 22 total appearances, 13 in the league.
In his costly extension year- he made 7 appearances, 4 in the league. He used up a Senior player’s wages in a year where, thanks to Skippy, we lost the league to the dead club by a point too.
Many people thought that was a waste of funds. Lustig’s appearance situation this year would possibly have been similar.
Love the big Hunskelper but everyone has their sell by date or let go date.
If people look at Lustig’s career at Celtic, as a guidance to whether they should sign for Celtic, they won’t spend a millisecond looking at how it ended- they’ll look at 8 league titles won plus 4 SCs and 4 LCs while he increased his Swedish caps total from 31 to 75.
Mikael was good for Celtic and Celtic was good for him.
” Celtic In Statement Storm As Clouds Gather Over The East End !”
The thunder comes !
Mikael was good for Celtic and Celtic was good for him.
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Exactly. All this semantic nonsense pales into insignificance when you consider earnings. It’s not as if he was doing Celtic a favour
Like lennie’s fuggin worried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jQVsI7erv8
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CORKCELT @ 7:22 PM,
Apologies, meant to clarify, Mikael signed a third contract on Jan 2017, it ran for 2.5 years with a one year extension option.
That’s Lenny, Ronny and Brendan giving him a contract and Lenny currently wanting to extend.
Of course he has options, some big decisions for him and his family. It happens to all of us.
There is a professional and classy way with intergrity you can go about your business, Celtic PLC choose not to operate like that.
They prefer to operate as a greedy Corporate.
Still it’s the team I support, not the Board.
Hail Hail
Whatever the cause of this (player greed or the club’s poor offer), it is another mess of a transfer.
I see from CQN and other sources that the agent also manages Armstrong and Christie. He will be privy to our wage structure.
Statement seems a bit Sevco-esque. Just say nothing and let Turbull go elsewhere.
Not crazy on the Celtic response to Turnbull. It seems strange to me.
Two reasons:
1. The last line sounds like a jilted lover.
2. We have said nothing about the league issues for 7 years, but now want a twitter fight with a kid we want to sign. Although I wonder if it ins’t a dig at his agent. Perhaps an effort to drive a wedge between the player and agent (who, according to stories, Celtic do not love after the Armstrong deal).
If Celtic are going to start making information about their dealings public, that’s great. But, it seems to me that there are much bigger issues that need addressing/discussing. So, how about a tweet on the 6 Way Agreement , or LNS?
As with any signing, if he signs great… but, if he gets what he thinks is a better offer from somewhere else, god bless….
as my granny used to say, ‘what’s for you, wont go by you …’ …. so, if he doesn’t sign, he wasnt meant to … no loss … no hard feelings ….
TELL THEM TO GO AND JUMP
‘Cops in CQN Death Threat probe.’
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 14TH JUNE 2019 7:23 PM
Celtic too quick to make statement
Celtic too slow in making statements
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And I presume that you think they got this one just right…
so, does that make you Goldilocks, or one of the Three Bears?
:)
“Lawwell Fails Fans In Fir Park Fiasco”
Mike in Toronto
“…the 6 Way Agreement”?
You know something we don’t Mike?
@ PHILBHOY on 14TH JUNE 2019 7:36 PM
People want statements concerning the institutional bias and corruption of Scottish football: the refereeing decisions; RES 12; 5 way agreement.
I know I don’t want statements regarding public spats with agents because they want more money for their client. We would be issuing statements all the time in that case.