Middlesbrough finished a point off the play-offs in the English Championship last season, which was not enough to save manager, Tony Pulis, from the sack. Pulis is an experienced hand with teams fighting relegation from the Premiership or looking for promotion to it, having worked at Stoke, Crystal Palace and West Brom.
A month after the sacking, Middlesbrough gave rookie, Jonathan Woodgate, the job, with former Celtic striker, Robbie Keane his assistant.
Football teams have a tendency to overcompensate for their last perceived mistakes when appointing a manager. Pulis was taken from a regular, if uninspiring, stock. They have not made that ‘mistake’ with Woodgate.
The former Real Madrid defender will bring colour and excitement to the Riverside, at least in the short-term, but his chances of out-performing Pulis next season are open to debate. Middlesbrough have the resources to attract managerial talent from most leagues in Europe or South America. While these territories have worked well for others seeking improvement in England, there are significant risks.
Like Sunderland, who appointed St Mirren manager, Jack Ross, a year ago, they could have looked to less-risky Scotland, but can you name an appropriate candidate who would be up for this one?
Appointing a rookie is a big roll of the dice, to be avoided if possible. But anyone who tells you appointing a sure-fire success is easy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. All you can hope to do is avoid sure-fire failures.
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BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:36 PM
Ok, Chief Fireman.
RUGGYGMAN on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:04 PM
I’ll speculate, hazard a guess on this…
Being 19, and with still much to prove, Celtic have maybe proposed in the region of £6k – £8k per week.
On the agents advice, they want £12k -£14k per week. With the agent stedfast that he can secure Turnbull £16k + from an English Championship club / move.
I hope Celtic stand firm and don’t bow to their greed
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David 17
I never mentioned McGinn
I said Lewis McLeod.
If Turnbull becomes the next David Goodwillie, I will afford myself a wee wry smile.
You’re welcome
I wanted Harper more tbh.
I actually think we’d have offered more than the £6-8k per week that RUGGYMAN has mentioned (considering we are going to spend in the region of £3M).
Let’s say £10k/week. Half a million a year. Not too bad for a nearly 20 year old. If he wants to come, he will.
CORKCELT / Celtic Mac
Dead as a Dodo, I’d say.
Cynics sharpening their keyboards as we speak.
Celtic agree fee, with Motherwell, player turns down the offer.
Agent tells player, he can get more in England player says ok reject the offer.
Very similar to the John McGinn affair, where the agent correctly told John McGinn
he’d get more in the Championship, than at Celtic.
It’s not Rocket Salad CSC
Smells like a set up. We did our bit based on info we had. If he wants to play for Barnsley good luck to him and tell his agent tgtf
I know we’ve got to dance with the devil with players but tell him to move on too
Our first signing should be a Right Back anyway, we’ve a bus load of midfielders and should not be signing any more until we’ve sorted out the positions that we are weak in, such as Left Back. We need 2 new full backs and should not be wasting time getting messed about by a nineteen year old nonentity. Sort it out Celtic please.
Ziggydoc1
It may just be my way of thinking… but it’s too simplistic to say that because the deal between the clubs was approx. £3 million, that the lads wages should reflect that.
That would be like saying, Scott Sinclair was signed for 3 million, so Turnbull should get the same £30k per week that Sinclair gets.
I’m afraid, things don’t work as black and white as that.
DAVID17 @ 5.38
Cheer up, kid
Life is sweet CSC
I honestly couldn’t care less if Turnbull signs or not. What we need is serious investment in the first team and that needs to happen quickly.
Remember Fholks , it’s all out war on the Celtic. Why would you think that agents would be any different?
Ourselves alone.
Awe well .disappointed but not surprised , our transfer skills are not the best . What does disappoint me is the comments from fellow Celtic fans . Forget him sign this that and the other non entity of a player .just to buy anyone , or promote this one or that one from the academy . Our academy boys are not ready yet , we need quality players brought in, or the 9 won’t happen never mind the 10 , I liked the boy Turnbull, he had a bit of what we have been missing from our team for a long time aggression, but looks like its not to be . And to think only yesterday we missed Greg Stewart. (Only Kidding )
David17
What do we need serious invstment for?
JJ
I am one of those who never noticed Turnbull against us so neither surprised nor disappointed at this turn in events ( if it really is a turn).I am , though, with Corkcelt in feeling confident that the transfer to us will not happen. I also feel that that may have been the plan all along ( from the seller`s/agent/s side).
JJ
What puts things in to perspective for me… see when a World class legend such as Henrik Larsson, graced our presence, … loved his football here… could of left at any stage and quadrupled his money.
But gave Celtic his peak years.
If a World Class legend such as Henke thought Celtic was good enough for him.
David Turnbull…. chase yourself son
HS
Motherwell’s statement finished with ‘ if the deal goes through ‘
Very Odd CSC
Jimtim
`… our transfer skills are not the best.`
What `skill` does it take to offer more in wages than you think is correct ?
JJ
Maybe Turnbull is going to Middlesbrough – that would at least explain the article…
BSR
Yes, that comment would certainly have been a factor in my feeling as I did.
JJ
I get the impression that a few posters on here are not happy with almost all of Celtic’s way of operating and produce screeds of arguements. I implore them all to send their screeds individually to Celtic to impress how many of our thousands of supporters are unhappy with things.
HOT SMOKED on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:53 PM
David17
What do we need serious invstment for?
JJ
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To replace certain players, to keep winning, to make history and to remain relevant in Europe.
Tim Malone
Whilst I think I understood the article, I found your comment very amusing. Nice one !
JJ
David 17
Od those four, the one I like best is `keep winning`. I believe we can do that without `serious` invetment.
JJ
Eurochamps
Hope you are doing well- and a return to p-time work has not upset you.
Only 2 weeks until Celtic start pre-season warm up games, and the whole shebang starts again.
I have to say- I think you are harsh on Mahe.
He is trying to advance his argument and doing so politely. I don’t want to see any war or beef between Celtic blogs.
Anybody can put a view up and have it ignored, applauded, ridiculed or critiqued.
It gets hard sometimes, but we should try to play the ball not the man- the post and not the poster.
Tunbull is obviously a good prospect but he has done little against the better teams in the League and is not proven over a period of time. We cannot pay him more than or the same as guys like Christie, Ajer and McGregor who have done the business when it counts. I could not have picked him out of line up 7 days ago. If he is being badly advised this will kick him into gear and he will sign. If not, only time will tell how big a loss it will be.
David 17
`Od` was a typo of `Of` rather than a misspelled comment. Liikewise, `invetement`is not some tricky financial strategy but another typo.
At least the Huns can’t afford to ‘swoop(C)BSR’ in with a higher wage. Unless they pay -3mullyin as a fee? . He might eat humble pie yet. Shame if he goes South to a crap team; a waste
and `Likewise` with two i`s is not a lapse into some Scandinavian tongue.
HOT SMOKED on 14TH JUNE 2019 6:04 PM
David 17
Od those four, the one I like best is `keep winning`. I believe we can do that without `serious` invetment.
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Possibly, but it makes sense to reduce the risk with the resources we have available.
RUGGYGMAN on 14TH JUNE 2019 5:50 PM
Ziggydoc1
It may just be my way of thinking… but it’s too simplistic to say that because the deal between the clubs was approx. £3 million, that the lads wages should reflect that.
That would be like saying, Scott Sinclair was signed for 3 million, so Turnbull should get the same £30k per week that Sinclair gets.
I’m afraid, things don’t work as black and white as that.
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Agreed. That’s why I reckon we’ll have offered around £10k/week.
I haven’t a clue what like this boy is. I very much doubt if he’s first team ready for us.
What is important here is that any other club has to match or improve Celtic’s offer to Motherwell. If they don’t then Celtic are the only game in town for Turnbull.
WaitandseeCSC
The football world has gone mad . Can you imagine Phil O’ Donnell or Joe McBride preferring Barnsley to Celtic?
David 17
` Possibly, but it makes sense to reduce the risk with the resources we have available.`
I agree. Where we are probably at odds is in our differing interpretations of the word `serious`.
Anyway, it is a cheeriof for now from me.
Nice chatting.
JJ
Re: Turnbull
19 year old football players are regularly described as naive and easily influenced by agents.
I remember being 19 and have not changed much in the intervening 31 years.
Guys can have families, mortgages etc at 19 so the decision is his alone. If he doesn’t sign, he is an eejit; no age requirement on eejitry
I know English clubs have money… championship teams too.
But imagine, Barnsley baulk at meeting Motherwell’s 3 mil valuation. (I think they submitted a 2mil bid already.) Imagine they don’t feel obliged to increase this.
And Turnbull ends up being a Motherwell player next season.
That in itself would be hilarious.
VFR
If Celtic ARE the only game in town for Turnbull,then his agent has not done him any favours with the Celtic support.
Deffinitely off now.
JJ
Turnbull’s agent is a Celtic fan (my son went to school with his son – same school as Aiden and Robbo) – well maybe not specifically THE agent but a high heid yin in the management company.
The agent has to do the right thing by his client. If there is a potentially better deal for the player he has to inform the player.
Then it is the player’s choice.
Whatever will be will be.