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  1. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    BURGHBHOY

     

     

    There’s a wee mystery in that. An Teach Solais referenced something the other night, which was posted in the comments of Phil’s blog. Basically that BDO have not applied to the Supreme Court. Having read through the permission to appeal applications list on the Supreme courts web pages, that appears to be so.

     

     

    Now BDO were given leave to appeal on 8/3/2016. A lot of the debate does surround the decision for a question that ain’t been asked.

     

     

    I may be wrong.

  4. beatbhoy on

    I’ve posted today with no personal abuse.

     

     

    It’s really easy, you can just say that someone you disagree with is an _ _ _ _ _ and they won’t know whether you’ve called them something good or bad.

     

     

    Better yet, maybe just post their moniker and leave the rest of the comment box blank, then there’s no risk of sweaty words either and eveybody’s happy! ( lots of smiley, smelly things).

  7. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    BEATBHOY

     

     

    Ach,yer jooost paranoid(!)

     

     

    Personally I’m in favour of a watershed,and a return of proper moon-howling.

     

     

    But when I think of the poor innocents choking on their cornflakes in the morning,mibbe not.

     

     

    Keep it as it is,on balance-and btw I laughed at the post which was originally deleted!!!

  8. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    BSR

     

    Just missed you in Apple shop in Princes St.

     

     

    I was in there in July.

     

     

    The final whistle blown when Dembele was 1-1 with the keeper, was lost in the general euphoria.

  9. kill ultra on

    —–ERNIE LYNCH on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 11:22 AM

     

    KILL ULTRA on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 11:09 AM

     

     

     

    ‘maybe this is perverse’

     

     

     

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    ‘Your behaviour certainly strikes me as perverse.’

     

     

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    Perversion, Ernie! I’m only an amateur compared to you. You pretentiously adopt the name of a great revolutionary as you slavishly wave your Butcher’s Apron. Now, that’s what I call a proper perversion.

  10. kill ultra on

    TONYDONNELLY67 on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 2:33 PM

     

    Anyway, I’m off to the Brazen. Toddle Pip.

     

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    TD I don’t mean to be cliquish but could you give my regards to Kirsty if she’s behind the bar.

  12. kill ultra on

    AULDHEID on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 2:47 PM

     

    BRTH

     

     

    All I can say is if you were a plant to stop Res12 and it’s objective of SFA accountability being met you were bloody lousy at it.

     

     

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    BRTH has actually been very good at it. And, you’re not so bad yourself.

  13. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    Nearly a month late with the firework display,but I reckon it’s on its way…

  14. fan-a-tic on

    TIMREAPER

     

    Dembele created space for McG to run into so takes a lot of credit for his contribution.

     

    Watch the replay he vacated the space McG scored from by moving wide and forcing the defenders to cover him.

  15. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    AN TEACH SOLAIS on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 3:31 PM

     

    BURGHBHOY

     

     

    I raised the same point last week and was helfully advised by learned people on the blog that BDO who were granted leave to appeal in March 2016 have until March 2017 to submit the necessary papers.

     

     

    Still seems ridiculous to me that by their procrastination BDO can effectively siff the creditors by depleting the pot should they fail. HH

     

     

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    Any idea were the 12 months comes from ? Thanks.

  19. Hamiltontim on

    I’m not sure if it was shown on TV but when the referee blew for full time Moussa carried on playing and went through on goal.

     

     

    He shot, and missed.

  20. beatbhoy on

    BMCUW

     

     

    Yeah, balance, agreed, application of the rules without fear or favour, and with a bit of uncommon sense, recognizing humour and non -gratuitous use of whatever is defined as ‘bad’ language.

     

     

    Which ‘fud’ isn’t, apparently.

  21. Auldheid on

    TET

     

     

    Cheers. I don’t care what Celtic supporting credentials KU has, he has been looking for information like Res12 funders (as well as checking out me with the SFM host who disabused him of the idea I was in anyones pocket) that simply could be used to undermine Res12 or endanger those pursuing it.

     

    On that basis I’ve always been wary of him but within those constraints tried to deal with his questions.

  22. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    BEATBHOY

     

     

    It is,if you say it in an Only An Excuse Barry Ferguson voice…

  23. Davidopoulos on

    I’ve just read the article where Kris Boyd denigrates Ian Cathro’s credentials to be a manager of Hearts.

     

     

    Kris says that you have to play the game professionally at a good level to be a good manager. Mourinho is just an exception to the rule.

     

     

    I suppose Brendan Rodgers (you know, the guy that is steam rollers the SPFL) is just another exception to the rule. So is Arsene Wenger. Oh and Andre Villa Boas…

     

     

    Jesus, Kris there are a lot of exceptions to this rule of yours…

  24. Auldheid on

    KILL ULTRA on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 3:57 PM

     

    AULDHEID on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 2:47 PM

     

     

    BRTH

     

     

     

    All I can say is if you were a plant to stop Res12 and it’s objective of SFA accountability being met you were bloody lousy at it.

     

     

     

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    BRTH has actually been very good at it. And, you’re not so bad yourself.

     

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    You must have a different objective in mind and a clear plan how to meet it. Mind sharing it?

  25. thetimreaper on

    FAN-A-TIC on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 3:59 PM

     

     

    No he didn’t. Moussa barely moved 5 yards. McManus came out to engage with Armstrong. McGregor and Armstrong send their defence for a pie and bovril. Nothing to do with Moussa.

  26. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan on

    KU

     

     

    I am currently in a car park and so replying via the phone which I detest so I will be as brief as possible but as full as possible too.

     

     

    Taking your points in no particular order.

     

     

    I understand you have written to Peter Lawwell, Michael Nicholson, Auldheid, Canamalar and I don’t know who else so that is a pretty wide group.

     

     

    You have stated clearly that you have told at least one of those people why I am not suitable to represent you. What you have not done is written to me to explain why that should be. I have received no communication from you whatsoever which sets out any criteria why I should not represent shareholders or what actions I have taken which is to your or anyone else’s detriment.

     

     

    I think that is most unfair and improper as anyone who is having some form of accusation levelled against them should have had that accusation intimated to them personally and they should have the right of reply.

     

     

    Do you agree with that position or not?

     

     

    As a matter of interest I do not have your personal details and know nothing about your personal identity, work details or whatever. If Auldheid or Canamalar do have these details they have never shared them with me.

     

     

    With respect you did at one time suggest or state thst I worked for Celtic or the Celtic charity foundation on the blog. I corrected this and you acknowledged as I recall – I expressly pointed out that any involvement I had with he foundation was purely voluntary.

     

     

    With regard to Res 12 being walked through treacle, while I note your opinion that this has been at the behest of Auldheid, myself and Canamalar I can only day that you are wrong. There is plenty of evidence that shows we, as individuals, are as frustrated as anyone at the progress the resolution as a whole has made.

     

     

    We have had some success in that we gained direct access to both the SFA and UEFA and gained some useful information from them before being dispatched with an all too predictable reply – namely that as shareholders and fans we had no locus and as such both organisations were not answerable to mere shareholders.

     

     

    Of course it follows that both organisations are answers lee to the club’s overall – so the question now begs to be asked whether or not Celtic will make further formal enquiry in light of all of the information that is now known.

     

     

    None of us know the answer to that at the moment and it is for further discussion during 2017.

     

     

    I think you will find that this is a more informed position than when the resolution first called before the 2013 AGM. There is still a formal resolution on the table calling for Celtic to ask UEFA for an enquiry and I think far more shareholders are now aware of the details and the issues than at that time.

     

     

    For the record, I haveno time for any strategy that sees Celtic PLC or Celtic Football Club for that matter being run on any basis that involves the “Old firm”. I am aware of the argument and the stated position that a league without Rangers in some form is one which costs Celtic some £10M in funds each season.

     

     

    Whilst this may be an argument which justifies certain business decisions for some, it is not an argument or a position which I can support and never have. My own position is that the Celtic PLC board could have and should have acted quicker and more imaginatively to fill any revenue gap. This could have been done in any number of ways both off and on the pitch and indeed some of what I am talking about is being done now.

     

     

    However, nobody on the Celtic Board takes the slightest bit of notice as to what I think because I am not in communication with them and have no knowledge as to what the boards current strategies are other than those which have been publicly announced. I possess no inside info nor have any influence in the business of Celtic. I also do not seek any such info or influence.

     

     

    In recent weeks I did profer some professional advice about the procedures to follow in relation to a licensed fan zone as this is an area where I worked for 23 years and the information that reached me via Celtic suggested that the club were having their chain yanked by Police Scotland. Given that such Police behaviour is and was only too predictable, I offered some advice as to how to deal with the police position and how to combat it. I believe my take on matters was appreciated but I have no idea if it will be acted on or by whom.

     

     

    With all of that said, I would add that I was asked by a number of people to represent the interests of Res 12 at various meetings. I have no calling from God to give up my free time to pursue this, I just personally think it is the right thing to do.

     

     

    Again I state I have no idea why you think I am not a suitable representative but you are free to reach your own judgement on that though I suspect that your reasoning is based on fundamentally flawed conclusions drawn from inaccurate assessments of the facts.

     

     

    If the others involved in Res 12 (subscribers, shareholders, or whatever) asked me to stand aside or take no further part I would have no difficulty with that as I genuinely have other things to do with my time and don’t need the grief that some of this stuff brings.

     

     

    However I think and have always thought that there are serious governance questions that need to be asked of the SFA, UEFA and Celtic. So far the answers are not satisfactory and the only legal body who we can legally force to answer are Celtic PLC.

     

     

    However, had the resolution originally been voted down by the board then we would not have engaged solicitors and been in formal communication with the football authorities.

     

    You are wholly wrong to suggest that we have deliberately derailed res 12 or sought to slow its progress. Nothing could be further from the truth.

     

     

    As for my last meeting with Michael Nicholson, this was a relatively brief meeting where I outlined the need for further regular meetings to discuss the impact of events that are yet to unfold in 2017 and to put him on notice that in future those meetings are not likely to be with the four of us who have been involved this far as there is a need to widen the steering group if I can call it that.

     

     

    Part of that is due to the geographical location of those involved thus far and part of it is that there is a need for more voices and more bodies who can hopefully make things move more quickly.

     

     

    There is nothing secret in any of that.

     

     

    I say again that I have no idea why you think I personally am not a suitable representative for shareholders as that has not been disclosed to me.

     

     

    However, as I have been professionally representing people in various capacities for over 30 years I take great care to be as professional as possible when talking or writing on behalf of others while trying to remain true to my own beliefs and coda. If there is a conflict I have always identified it and simply walked away as that is the professional thing to do.

     

     

    What I cannot allow you to do is to besmirch my name to others based on unfounded facts or a misconceived understanding of what occurred where or when. I have every right to correct any such inaccuracy or error.

     

     

    Please desist from doing so. By all means set out your gripes to me in writing and I will reply. If you set out any such inaccuracies to a third party and they are brought to my attention by that third party or anyone else I, again, will not hesitate to set the record straight by the appropriate means.

     

     

    As I said earlier today, I held my own small number of shares at the time of the 2013 AGM and I still hold them (having been persuaded not to sell them at one point by Auldheid and others who were well aware of my disgust at certain aspects of PLC life).

     

     

    For the avoidance of doubt I will repeat yet again that I am no fan of the PLC structure as it was never ever going to deliver what Fergus McCann said it would in terms of fan representation. Fergus himself was very anti the idea of fan representation at board or any other level (praecepta knows more than most about this) and while the PLC set up was a god vehicle for raising money, transferring ownership from Fergus to myriad buyers it is not and never will be a vehicle that is suited to democratic decision making in terms of fans wishes.

     

     

    I recognise the PLC for what it is, the board for the role that they play ( sometimes I agree with them, sometimes not ) but in the main the PLC is a foreign country to me as I do not personally believe it is the right mechanism for running s football club.

     

     

    Others disagree and their view currently holds sway. I respect their opinion and regularly review my own opinion but still maintain my original view.

     

     

    That is why I never bought any shares in Celtic when they went on offer and never have.

     

     

    The shares I hold were bought and paid for in my name by my late father because that is what he wanted to do and because he once said that there would come a day when I would choose to speak up about things that I did not agree with or which I wished to influence.

     

     

    He was way ahead of me in that regard.

  27. i'vehadtochangemyname on

    i like this sentence a lot

     

     

    ‘And the Hoops boss believes he is in an ideal position to build his squad for next season’s assault on the Champions League’

  30. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    THE EXILED TIM

     

     

    Been reading the statutory instrument. Can’t find any reference to 12 months……….does mention: “the appellant must, within 14 days of the grant by the Court of permission to appeal, file notice under this rule of an intention to proceed with the appeal”.

     

     

    https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/uksc_rules_2009.pdf

     

     

    Now there’s no such notice: https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/permission-to-appeal.html

     

     

    There was also some discussion on the appellants/respondent ability to expedite matters. Only if the appeal was lodged ?

  31. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    Most of the big EPL teams are weak defensively. I reckon Virgil would fit into any of them.

     

    Let a bidding war commence…….

  32. An Teach Solais on

    AULDHEID

     

    Thanks for the time and effort your ghuys are putting in on our behalf and on behalf of those who want a scandal free Scottish football set up, Please don’t let your valuable time be taken up dealing with vague innuendo. It might be like the sitation when Lloyd George though that “negotiations” (albeit at the end of a British gun) with Eamon de Valera was akin to being on a carousel at a carnival trying to catch up with the horse in front.

     

    The time for relection will come when Res12 has run its course and, hopefully, achieved its aim. Whatever will be, will be and it won’t be due to lack of effort on your (plural) endeavours. HH

  33. An Teach Solais on

    BIG CUP WINNERS @ 4.28pm

     

    If I may but in : then I assume that there will be no appeal and Rangers FC ARE liquidated? Or, again, is my head up my posterior (if Moderators allow that language)? I wonder if the creditors have received their pence in the pound monies. HH

  34. Burghbhoy on

    ATS/BCW

     

     

    Thanks lads for the replies.

     

    Why would BDO not have submitted papers ?

     

    Is there a rule that says they have 12 months to submit appeal?

     

    Anyway, I cannot wait for the day.

     

    HMRC will surely win and therefore invalidate LNS?

     

    In my simple world when that happens , RFC must have their titles stripped.

     

    I long for that day.

     

    HH

  35. THE EXILED TIM on

    BCW

     

    I may have read it wrong, I also can’t recall where I could have read it, someone legally trained would know I reckon, Brogan maybes, but I would have thot that the government would want this tied up at the Supreme Court and not leave things hanging, as I said last week, there are more than football clubs involved and there may well be those and such as those who would be hit hard if the SC rules against the scheme.

     

    HH

  38. jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on

    DALLAS DALLAS

     

     

    THANKS FOR UR SUPPORT FOR JOSH. HE’S HAD A GOOD RUN OF GAMES OF LATE WHICH IS GOOD,

     

     

     

    H H

  40. Auldheid on

    BURGHBHOY

     

     

    There is a certain irony in the justification LNS gave that ebts were regular and could be used by any club ipso fatso no sporting advantage that logically requires that if those ebts were irregular than sporting advantage had to accrue.

     

     

    My fear was that LNS would be set in stone and future proofed, which is why the deceitful nature of its commissioning reported by TJN/TOG is so important, that is to prevent that justification by demonstrating the deceit.

     

     

    That LNS was set up to reach the conclusion it did by the deliberate witholding BY the SFA of key documents is now a matter of record and only adds to the tower of deceit that will crumble in the light of truth.

  42. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    Here’s the relevant bit:

     

     

    18.—(1) Where the Court grants permission to appeal, rules 19 and 20 shall not apply and

     

    (a) the application for permission to appeal shall stand as the notice of appeal;

     

    (b) the grounds of appeal shall be limited to those on which permission has been granted;

     

    (c) the appellant must, within 14 days of the grant by the Court of permission to appeal, file

     

    notice under this rule of an intention to proceed with the appeal.

     

     

    I assume C would have appeared on the list of Current-cases ?

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