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  1. Auldheid on

    An Teach Solais

     

     

    Cheers. I’m confident that in the fullness of time Res12 will be seen not as an idea kicked into the long grass but as a torch that kept an important issue from being lost in the dark.

  2. THE EXILED TIM on

    BCW

     

    As a thicko layman I read that as they must appeal within 14 days, but knowing how slow the wheels of justice turn I have ma doubts about the time line being so short.

     

    HH

  3. BIG-CUP-WINNERS on

    TET

     

     

    I read that as they must appeal within 14 days, but knowing how slow the wheels of justice turn I have ma doubts about the time line being so short.

     

     

    Yip, agreed. But that’s the rules. Elsewhere in the instrument there’s reference to any Time-limits being superseded, maybe that’ll be the get out.

     

     

    The fact that HMRC appear happy to participate in the timeframe provides some reassurance too. You’ll remember the dialogue about setting precedent nationally etc ?

  4. THE EXILED TIM on

    BCW

     

    I do, so the reality is as we speak….EBT’s are illegal, if this is in fact the case, why the eff are titles not being stripped and LNS thrown out ?

     

    HH

  5. An Teach Solais on

    AULDHEID

     

    Res 12 has certainly exposed some of the odious machinations in favour of one club/holding company. Hopefully, you lhads have done enough to have our Board keep to the promise enunciated by Mr. Bankier to progress the matter with UEFA.

     

    I am disappointed with the apparent lack of support from the other affected Scottish clubs as exemplified in the low support for the Change.org petition. But, as in all things, often the burden is left to the few and the “Gang of Four” have carried the torch magnificently.

     

    BIG CUP WINNERS

     

    Thank you for your further clarification on the requirements imposed on BDO in lodging an appeal in the “Big Tax Case”. There seems to be an embargo on information re its disposal. HH

  7. angelgabriel on

    Auldheid 4.54pm

     

    Irony is plastered all over the LNS verdict. My own particular favourite is within the summary. From memory ( maybe it’s played tricks with me ) , and I’m sure someone will put me right is

     

    ” The rule breaking was serious , deliberate and prolonged ”

     

    How that manifested itself into , no sporting advantage gained , is astonishing.

     

    Campbell Ogilvie investigated himself.

     

    The SFA. Rotten to the core.

  8. Raymac on

    From all I have read from Kill Ultra, I have made my mind up. A troll, and a dangerous one. Each communique contains a morsel of truth, and each one is aimed at the main men in Res 12. This , of course, is a classic misinformation/disinformation technique, to sow doubt and disharmony.

     

    The constant readers/posters can probably see this, but still in their mind will be the thought –“He must know something!” .

     

    He will not engage personally with those he slates—that is not his purpose, but he’ll do his best to needle them.

     

    Meanwhile, Mark McGhee for manager. Brendan Rodgers doesn’t know what he’s doing. (That is according to that other zoomer,KevJ. –A rebel. Aye,right!)

  12. embramike supporting Res 12 on

    With reference to the EBT CoS decision, the following article was published by Economia ..

     

    BDO granted Rangers Supreme Court appeal – 08 March 2016

     

     

    BDO has been granted leave to take its appeal on the ruling that Rangers’ use of employee benefits trusts (EBTs) was illegal to the Supreme Court

     

     

    In November last year, HMRC won an appeal against Rangers, with a Court of Session in Edinburgh ruling that Rangers’ use of EBTs was illegal, after two previous court rulings had gone Rangers’ way. Rangers had used EBTs from 2001 until 2010, something that allowed the club to gift players and other staff with millions of pounds of tax-free loans.

     

     

    HMRC had its appeal upheld by a court in Edinburgh that was heard by Lord Carloway, Lord Menzies and Lord Drummond Young. According to reports from the BBC today, the same group of judges have now said BDO, which acts as joint liquidators, can take the appeal to highest court in the UK as the ruling has implications for future cases.

     

     

    Lord Carloway said, “The court is of the of the view that there is an arguable point in law of public interest which should allow the appeal to the UK Supreme Court to proceed. There are significant issues in this case which may apply to other similar situations,” said the BBC.

     

     

    Rangers has been marred by controversy in recent years. Last year Deloitte announced it had resigned as auditor of the club’s holding company after staff received threatening messages. BDO has said it will not comment further on the case or the decision to appeal.

     

     

    I can only assume that the CoS judges allowed the appeal to SC to set the “point in law of public interest” as a precedent for similar cases ? I too can see no “permission to appeal (PTA)” on the SC applications list for 2016, which again begs the question …

     

     

    “when will the ‘permission to appeal’ lapse” as I assume it is not open ended, or is this just a stalling tactic to allow certain ducks to be set in a row ?

  15. Hot Smoked on

    HRVATSKI JIM

     

     

    Some on here would say the `keeper was at fault 0:-)

     

     

    JJ

     

     

    PS I agree with your choice, though. Without sentiment but with admiration, the goal gets my vote as well.

  18. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    BRTH @ 1625 – an excellent post. My thanks and respect.

     

     

    On this site around 8 years ago the potential demise of Rangers was being discussed. At that time I opined that the process would be ‘a Rome rather than an Pompeii’ – a series of events over a long time emanating from a rotten foundation , rather than a single cataclysmic occurrence.

     

     

    Resolution 12 will be the same and the outcome will be worth all your effort.

     

     

    As for those who question your methods, veracity and capability? See Raymac’s earlier comments. Bang on.

     

     

    Hail hail

  19. An Teach Solais on

    EMBRAMIKE SUPPORTING RES12

     

     

    Interesting post. Would it be possible for a creditor to take legal action to expedite the return of a pittance of its entitlement? Can’t understand why HMRC is colluding in the delay. It’s not as though the Exchequer is flush with cash and our Social Security looking after our sick and impoverished.

     

    They cant all be in the craft, surely. HH

  20. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    A few scattered thoughts.

     

     

    Sevco will always be a member of the European Club Association as they are regarded as one of the founder members. So as far as the ECA is concerned Sevco is Rangers. Something that no member has ever contested. Celtic and Motherwell are ordinary members, Sevco, Jamboes and Dons associated members. With the UEFA letter stating that Sevco is a new club then why does the ECA not recognise this and why does nobody within this organisation contest it ? Clubs move from being associated members to associate members depending on their current UEFA coefficient or if they have won European cups 5 times and then you become a permanent ordinary member.

     

     

    So there are three organisations that Celtic FC are “elevated” members off SFA,SPFL,ECA which do not recognise Sevco as being a new club. Celtic behind closed doors do not either.

     

     

    moving onto FFP

     

     

    If Sevco finish in a European place and are not given a European License, why is financial doping not instigated domestically ? Basically the team below Sevco will get the UEFA slot but will still get the same prize money from the SPFL or the SFA if they end up runners up to Sevco.

     

     

    So I do not believe that any of the Scottish ECA members would complain about FFP irregularities to UEFA as the main body that represents them and interfaces with UEFA i.e the ECA does not recognise Sevco as a new club and indeed has bestowed permanent membership upon them.

     

     

    Debts,

     

     

    If a player or an employee accepts a delay in payment or bonus is this regarded as a legitimate debt by FFP or not over an FFP accounting period ?

     

     

    If a club has outstanding fines to certain bodies (The association, the league, Business partners, courts) I presume that these need to be mentioned and presented to the authorities under the terms of goodwill and honesty and cannot be subverted if they are disputed by the guilty party ?

     

     

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    There is no independent body that adjudicates within football and there never will be.

     

     

    HH

  21. embramike supporting Res 12 on

    Back on May 4th, I wrote to Peter Lawwell on a number of issues, Res 12 being one of them. The following day, I posted all 2000+ words on CQN.

     

     

    KILL ULTRA on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 3:03 PM

     

    I had plenty to say, and did so, in a letter to Peter Lawwell written on November 17.

     

     

    If you did write this letter, why don’t you post it here in it’s entirety to enlighten the CQN community?

  22. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Sorry a point I glossed over … only ordinary members of the ECA have any kind of voting rights if they are doing well in Europe … that is … or should be as of much interest to Milne and Budge than the principals and the money.

     

     

    HH

  23. voguepunter on

    Pleased to say the two goals from McGregor and Rogic were class and a joy to watch again .hh :O)

  29. mickbhoy1888 on

    Dear oh dear oh dear, whits next Solicitors letters being fired off because of comments on a blog,there really are some wee sensitive Elmer’s about these days

     

    Anyway suggestions for wee plastic Irish pubs roonaboot the Etihad

  33. Celticrollercoaster supporting @WalkWithShay on

    ****LMS8 Week 14- We have a winner****

     

     

    Good Evening fholks

     

     

    Well after 14 weeks ( a new record), we have a winner

     

     

    Congrats to Deccyrollercoaster. whose choice of St Johnstone saw him romp home as our LMS8 champion. Mrs CRC and myself have just changed our Santa list.

     

     

    And commiserations to our gallant loser, Mike in Toronto who fell at the final hurdle with Hamilton, after correctly predicting his previous 13 results.

     

     

    A big thank you to all 150 entrants for taking part and indeed making a difference for Shay.

     

     

    Our new competition will start in the New Year, more details to follow soon

     

     

    Remember, if you are looking for that special Christmas gift, our Club Captains print is available to purchase

     

     

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    Thank you for Walking With Shay

     

     

    CRC and Jobo

  36. voguepunter on

    JC2 on 4TH DECEMBER 2016 6:51 PM

     

    Anybody have do’s and Dont’s for Mankchester on Tuesday ?

     

     

    Don’t shit on the station platform.

     

    Don’t get bit a polis devil dug.

  37. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    Jude, thank you.

     

     

    Myself like a lot of our support enjoy seeing players coming through our youth set up to get a good run in the first team.

     

     

    We used to have 3 or four home reared players as regular starters up to about 20 years ago.

     

     

    I hope over the next ten years, we have at least 3 players who are regular starters for our first team.

     

    .

  41. fairhill bhoy on

    Starry plough-Hamilton jungle bhoy you say, me to, used to get the bus at the palace gruns:-)))

  42. LMCBhoy on

    On a more serious note I think you will find that EBT’s are legal, but the way they were actually used ( abused) in Govan and indeed through a lot of clubs is what hmrc are looking to have definitive decision on.

     

    The question is why bdo are not apparently moving to an appeal process. Has this anything to do with a lack of funding perhaps?

     

    Brogan, I appreciated your earlier sunopsis on res 12

     

    HH

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